faite4u 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Author Share Posted July 31, 2005 your right guys i am a 100 percent permanent and total service connected disabled vet. That doesnt mean i am retarded or bad at poker simple. I cant afford to play at a lvl i enjoy so i play freerolls. I play for fun and enjoyment would be nice to make money but my idea of fun isnt stealing quarters from drunk people that just cashed there check.I am deeply sorry that i was stateing that i think the 300 bb for a limit wasnt allways needed and that the real poker players are far more then abc players.faite4u stupid retarded gimp that isnt worth replying to that gave up his future so you people can sit around and play poker. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anonymous Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 1st of all i admit i am not a good poker player i am a student and learning but i have made some observations. please blast all of what i have to say to hell or agree with it as you please.#1 bankroll management is important but believeing in yourself and your skill lvl and your ability to read the players and the table is more important(i do not advocate sitting in a game with a patheticly small buy in either)#2 playing abc poker might make you money but it wont make you a real poker player. I personally do not see how sitting around waiting for the nuts hour after hour is real poker thats just me. I have watched alot of the pros on full tilt and rarely do i see them play anything like you would expect minus andy bloch & quiet lion.#3 i think playing from instinct aka D.N. owns any ammount of satisfaction that a person like howard lederer aka a abc poker machine must feel.i am a disabled vet with a secure income a car and home i have a wife and two daughters. I use to play for cash alot when single and graduated to online some when i got married never really taken it serious until recently. I started playing some 50 1 dollar and some 25 or 50 nl and i just went insane over the crazy calls and i decided that i didnt want to truely gamble i wanted to compete so i started playing freerolls i play a ton of em. I am trying to learn how to play tournies and figured that was the cheapest education i could get i have had mixed sucsess but i have made around 2k in freerolls.anyways please flame me or enlighten mePlay Limit. If you're decent you will make a lot off the fish at party in the lower limits. Link to post Share on other sites
Spademan 94 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 faite4u stupid retarded gimp that isnt worth replying to that gave up his future so you people can sit around and play poker.I also masturbate. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 stupid retarded gimp that isnt worth replying to that gave up his future so you people can sit around and play poker.Yeah, no offense, but I think it's fairly certain that had you decided to sell cheese to pizza parlors instead of going into the armed services my right to play poker would still be fairly secure.sorry about your injury. Link to post Share on other sites
AceyDeucy 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Faite,Thank you for your service.-AD Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anonymous Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 stupid retarded gimp that isnt worth replying to that gave up his future so you people can sit around and play poker.Yeah, no offense, but I think it's fairly certain that had you decided to sell cheese to pizza parlors instead of going into the armed services my right to play poker would still be fairly secure.sorry about your injury.who is that on your avatar smaSH? Link to post Share on other sites
blueodum 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 You are correct in stating that the best players do not play ABC poker.The reason for this is that they are playing against other good players - as such, deception (and seeing through your opponents' deception) becomes the key to success.But at most levels of play, you are facing mostly unsophisticated and uneducated players. That's why ABC poker works just fine against them. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 faite4ustupid retarded gimp that isnt worth replying to that gave up his future so you people can sit around and play poker.To be fair, I think you're worth replying to. Link to post Share on other sites
Rasty 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Faite, relax man . . . take a look at a few other threads on this forum. Everyone gets flamed all the time, nothing personal, that's just how all of the insecure ****ers are around here. Link to post Share on other sites
lboarts 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 As far as the second bold statement goes, I was wondering when you'd get around to pointing that out. So if I said shut off ur pc and go to bed, would you?What kind of idiotic rhetoric is that?Terrible analogy.How can you be intelligent enough to use those big words yet dumb enough to not get the statement's meaning? Or are you just trying to stick up for your buddy? Either way, why stick your nose in where it doesn't belong? Link to post Share on other sites
HtotheNootch 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 This is such a troll.It's probably the return of JFarrell. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Big words? Uhh, ok. You want an in depth analysis?Your argument: if he's not prepared to shut off his computer at the request of another forum member, it follows that he should not be flaming people at their own request. That's a, how we say, shit argument.The two situations aren't analogous. The missing detail is the actual desire on his part to shut off the computer. Considering that's the sole reason why he ISNT shutting off his computer (and the sole reason he wouldnt, supposing someone request he did), there's no reason why there's a logical connection between him NOT flaming this guy and him NOT turning off his computer.He's not acting hypocritically to flame this guy at his own request and at the same time, deny someone elses request to turn off his computer. Your post suggested that he was. You're wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
johngbrown66 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Didnt the OP say or imply playing abc poker was not poker? Then he goes to say he quit playing no limit cause the crazy calls? Im confused I guess as long as he is the one not playing abc poker it is okay. Link to post Share on other sites
lboarts 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Let me sum this up like this:The OP started by saying he is a bad poker player. That's where smash stopped reading, because apparently this forum is only for solid poker players. And if you admit to being less than solid, then you don't deserve to be on this forum, because no one will give you any help whatsoever.The OP finished by saying, "flame me or enlighten me". Most of us chose to flame him, because we're above helping anyone who admits to being less than a good poker player. By flaming the OP, you did a disservice to him, DN, and this forum. Does anyone even read DNs blogs?As for Ab, custom and mono, no hard feelings guys. I will admit I do enjoy flaming flamers, and you guys gave a good effort in defending yourselves. To the OP:VN thread, I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Link to post Share on other sites
Puddleglum5555 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 HAHA, that's what keeps me coming back to this forum:The guy asks for advice . . .Doesn't say anything even remotely inflammatory . . . Is humble in doing so . . . And gets torched nonetheless.Awesome.what do you expect from 16 year olds LOL Link to post Share on other sites
SuM827 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain..........,,Hey, it makes as much sense as anything else in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites
monoatomic 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Let me sum this up like this:The OP started by saying he is a bad poker player. That's where smash stopped reading, because apparently this forum is only for solid poker players. And if you admit to being less than solid, then you don't deserve to be on this forum, because no one will give you any help whatsoever.The OP finished by saying, "flame me or enlighten me". Most of us chose to flame him, because we're above helping anyone who admits to being less than a good poker player. By flaming the OP, you did a disservice to him, DN, and this forum. Does anyone even read DNs blogs?As for Ab, custom and mono, no hard feelings guys. I will admit I do enjoy flaming flamers, and you guys gave a good effort in defending yourselves. To the OP:VN thread, I've thoroughly enjoyed it. It would help if there was something to enlighten or answer in his OP. His original question was "Is ABC poker really poker?" What the ****. Who cares how you play your game. If you are sitting in front of your computer on a poker site, or sitting at a casino table marked "poker" you are playing poker. Wether that be bad poker or good poker, you're still playing.The reason he got flamed is purely simple. He asked a moronic question, followed it up with a non-sensical post, and to cap it off had to throw in little tibits of his life too, I have no idea why he did that.We aren't flaming because he is a bad player and we don't want to help him. We are flaming because the question he asked and then the post that followed was so ****ing stupid, he should be berated for it. Link to post Share on other sites
GamblinLeaf 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 First off ... thank you for your service. Sincerely. This isn't just a platitude, my best friend is serving in harm's way as we speak, so I mean it.That being said, there are a couple points you made that simply don't hold water. The Badger (sorry Custom ... you've got yourself a new nickname) touched on most of what I have to say but a couple bear repeating.#1: Bankroll management is far, far, FAR more important than any skill or ability. Take the best player in the world, undercapitalize him for the level he's playing, and he WILL go broke sooner or later, probably sooner rather than later. Guaranteed. Sure, a bad player with a big roll will also go broke, but if skill was more important than money management ANY good player could start off with too small a roll and make a living. This is not the case.#2: This one left me speechless (not an easy feat). Odds are still odds. Hands are still hands. Flushes still beat sets. The rules, makeup and structure of the game don't change just because someone chooses to play a different style.#3: People may like or dislike Lederer but he is a terrific example of someone who, by his OWN admission, was never a great "feel" player but became a world-class player nonetheless by learning ABC poker and then spending thousands of hours working on his game. This is a good thing because what people like DN have is probably a "either you got it or you don't" situation. For those of us who "don't", it's good to know that good poker can be developed.Anyway, if you love to play, I hope you keep playing and continue to get satisfaction from the game. If the time ever comes when you think it might be worth rethinking some of the statements you made, in an effort to better your game, I hope you do just that, and in so doing, make a giant leap forward in your play.All the best. Link to post Share on other sites
bigkg 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 As far as the second bold statement goes, I was wondering when you'd get around to pointing that out. So if I said shut off ur pc and go to bed, would you?What kind of idiotic rhetoric is that?Terrible analogy.How can you be intelligent enough to use those big words yet dumb enough to not get the statement's meaning? Or are you just trying to stick up for your buddy? Either way, why stick your nose in where it doesn't belong?Haha, where are the big words? Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 I haven't been playing or reading about poker long enough to say for sure, but I think "ABC poker" is a pretty inaccurate description of solid play at low limits and is often used perjoratively by people who don't understand all of the subtleties of crushing low limit games.There are a couple of hold'em systems that could be termed "ABC poker" because of their simplicity, but that are nonetheless wrong (e.g. Phil Hellmuth's or Lee Jones). Systems like these illustrate that applying a few rules of thumb to poker doesn't work very well. But there are other approaches based on priciples rather than rules (SSHE is the primary example) that people may also think of as "ABC poker." This style of play involves understanding a few basic concepts like hand strength, expected value, and equity, and applying these concepts to the wide variety of situations in poker. While the concepts are simple, correct application takes lots of practice. See the strategy forum here for many examples of the complicated questions good players have about correctly applying simple principles. For me, this style of poker is neither mindless nor boring, and it has proven quite profitable.The second example I give of "ABC poker" incorporates almost every aspect of real poker at the highest levels. The more fundamental elements, like pot odds and starting hands receive more emphasis at first than things like bluff-raising or reading players. But the fundamental parts are quickly mastered, so the advanced concepts account for most of the learning. While it may be possible to learn reading concepts intutively, I think it is much harder to learn the fundamental math by intuition, since correct plays are often counterintuitive. For this reason, I think most people's best shot of ever becoming an expert player is to start with the correct brand of "ABC poker," hammer out the foundation of their game, and slowly move to tougher games as you learn more advanced skill. Link to post Share on other sites
tdmlb24 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 5 minutes of my life was just wasted Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 5 minutes of my life was just wastedAt first I was worried, but then I looked at the timestamp on your post and found that you couldn't have possibly spend five minutes reading my post. Link to post Share on other sites
tdmlb24 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Sorry1 minute of my life was just wasted Link to post Share on other sites
tdmlb24 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 And it wasn't your post that I was referring to Link to post Share on other sites
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