kings preflop, ace on turn (limit) aug 1st

[hexag1 0]

DN is right. heres why.your in a heads up pot that was 4 bet preflop.you cant even beat top pair, and top pair is A, the most magnetic card in the deck [and the 1 card that your opponent is the *most likely* to have in a preflop 4 bet hand such as this]with the added weight of being out of position, you must check/call [if the pot is big enough for you to call]remember your OUT OF POSITION and therefore you are on the defense. you must do everything you can to lose the min. in this spot. and you cant win much more by betting than you can by check/calling.

[greatwhite 0]

Like most people I would probablly just check/call. I would be very suprised if they did not have AQs, AK, AKs, or maybe AA by the way they just called on the flop. However, they could still have a hand like QQ or JJ and they may be just trying to buy the pot from you, because of your turn check.

[Rocketwadster 0]

I think you have to check/call the turn here. If you are behind, betting won't get him to lay it down. If we are ahead, we are giving him a chance to give us more money (as they may bet the river when we checked the turn with a lesser hand). 8)

[charder30 0]

im check calling 70% of the time B/c the guy could very easily have 88-QQ, and u have him down to 2 outs, if u bet and he raises, what are you going to do, he could be capable of raiseing the turn with JJ or something like that, his plan on the flop may have been to smooth call on the flop with JJ or TT and then raise the turn what ever it was, i think betting and folding to a raise is a bad option unless he is a very tight player. check calling is the best option.

[BIG_L_RIP 0]

I know this thread is ancient, but I'd like to revisit a question posed, and promptly overlooked, earlier.How does one's play at this change being in position? Call a bet? raise? bet? check behind? Daniel, any input?I agree to check/call, by the way. You'll notice most experienced casino players doing that. It's almost an auto-check.One counterpoint, not that it's valid a dangerous amount of the time, but it's worth mentioning: if we have pockets and the opponent does as well, he has equal chance to improve on the river. Again, not that the draw to 2 outs is the crux of this argument, but it bears mentioning.

[respec 0]

3. You raise with KQ and get three bet by the button. Flop K-6-4 rainbow. You check raise the flop and he calls. Turn is an ACE. You check call, and maybe fold on the river to a bet, or pay it off against a tricky player.

I know I'm a little late to the party on this one but I have to disagree with the above example. Here I think you can safely bet/fold the turn since there is no way that a reasonable player can raise that turn with a worse hand than you. They would also be hard pressed to bluff further with an underpair so I think you make more money by betting and lose less since you have an easy fold if raised IMO. Folding the river after checking twice is immeasurably more dificult.I'd love to know what any of the famous limit players think of this particular example. If DN decides to return to this thread he will instantly become my new favorite player.

[iggymcfly 0]

I really don't understand where the people advocating bet/fold are even getting the idea that it's a reasonable play. I thought the very idea of a WA/WB situation was that it was an automatic check.The people who advocated bet/fold are trying to save one bet when they're up against the ace, and they reason that if they check, they're opponents will bet anything and they won't know what they have. Well, if they'll bet "anything", then wouldn't about 1/3 of those turn bets be bluffs? I mean they're not going to hit an ace every time. If you get one extra bet for every two times you go against an ace, than you're winning the bet you'd be "saving" just in extra bluffs.Furthermore, you go from a small risk of folding the best hand, (I'd say it's at least 1 in 10 at low limits, probably higher) to no risk whatsoever.Basically, what people are doing with the bet/fold strategy is betting out because they're afraid of getting bluffed. However, if they are getting bluffed, they have nothing to worry about anyway, so this is getting them nowhere.Furthermore, they're looking very suspicious by betting with no ace like they had a pocket pair, and then betting with an ace like they had an ace all along. This is going to make your opponents even more likely to bluff you, and in a loose online game, I'd say they might do it as often as one time in four.I think what's going on is that in a phantom search to save a bet, many players are consistenly folding winners.

[BoBetter 0]

Great thread. This is a definite leak in my game. I tend to pound, pound, pound if I raise pre flop until I see aggression back. Often it's in a WB/ WB situation. Lol.I think this may be played differently at a short handed table? Maybe not. I'd be curious to hear what people think about that.