Mister Hand 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 You are talking like online poker is the same thing as live poker...it isn't.Go play live for a while and you will see the difference...to the point where online poker starts to seem like it's not poker at all.I think you're overweighing whatever game play differences there are between online and live, and not giving enough consideration to all the other attractions of playing at home. First, there's "location, location, location" as real estate people would say (hard to beat that commute from my bedroom to the study). Then there's the ability to multitask. If you're in a cardroom, you can't play while talking on the phone, surfing the net, watching the program of your choice on TV, etc. And if you're at a big site like Party, you'll never have to wait long for a seat at the game and limits of your choice. And the smaller stakes games like .50 - $1, or $1-2, just aren't going to be spread at a cardroom, because it's not cost effective. And when you do get a seat, you never have to worry about the drunk/smelly/rude person next to you. You can't just click the "ignore" box in a cardroom.A mass proliferation of cardrooms, if and when it happens, isn't going to kill online play. Link to post Share on other sites
AceOfSpaiDs 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 How long do you think it will be before someone develops a program capable of crushing the 300-600 games at ub, or the 100-200 games at P-stars.Eternity.Unlike chess, poker's not solvable in a mathmatical sense. People will eventually design bots that can make money at the highest levels, but it's not like if you played perfectly at 100/200 you'd be guaranteed to make money that day, that week, or even nessicarily that month.Do you see why?What is FAR more likely to hapen is that people will design bots that can beat most 1/2 games and online play will die from the bottom up as they become more widely available.Probably at least a decade untill that happens, though.I completely agree....online poker isnt going anywhere....its here for good Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anonymous Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 When Casinos and Card Rooms open up in every city...Online poker WILL die very quickly.No they won't. I think I'm a typical recreational player. I have a job, a wife and kids. I play 1 hour "sessions" when I get a few free minutes. Even if there were a card room 10 minutes from my house, and no wait to get a seat and 1 seat at an otherwise full table waiting for me it makes more sense for me to play online for an hour and see 100 hands than it does to drive, park, buy chips, get seated and see 20 hands in the 30 minutes I have available.As for bots making online obsolete - it is an issue. The bots don't need to be anywhere near perfect to make it much harder to win at the low levels. And ultimately I can't see how you'd stop them. At the very worst you make a bot that monitors the table and gives a human operator the "correct" play. The human operator can respond to any queries to test if it's a bot player (it technically isn't). Hell if you programmed a bot to watch the table and give people the SSHE pre-flop recommendations you'd find that low limits would get much harder to beat.You are talking like online poker is the same thing as live poker...it isn't.Go play live for a while and you will see the difference...to the point where online poker starts to seem like it's not poker at all.I take from this that you have reached this point.Is there a collection of bad beat stories that accompany your reasoning? Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Bots can't beat limit because it is just a card catching contests.And they can't beat no limit because they can't drive and it is the Cadillac of poker. Link to post Share on other sites
Whatever 1 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Some of you are reminding me of the people who think this year's WSOP is as big as it'll ever get. They don't understand where the money is coming from.I can't believe how many of you think online poker will die within a couple of years. Partypoker had 3,000 users a day in early 2003. Now over 70,000. Now that they're public they will use some of that money to expand their market to places like China. There's literally 10s of millions of people in the world who are potential online players that haven't signed up yet. If you think the lower levels are fishy now, just wait.Online poker will be thriving for many years to come. It's just too damned convenient.At least that's my opinion. And btw - there are a multitude of ways to screen out bots and the successful sites will be all over it. Obviously the sites have every motivation to make you feel like you're getting a fair game and they have plenty of money to throw at the problem. Link to post Share on other sites
Dr_Shakes 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 If online poker hits the skidz it will be because of the government shutting it down or over-regulating it, not because of bots or lack of players. 8) Link to post Share on other sites
alf13 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I take from this that you have reached this point.Is there a collection of bad beat stories that accompany your reasoning?No....I enjoy playing online....but it is not the same as a live game.Online Poker= Sex with a blow up doll.Live Poker= Sex with a real woman Link to post Share on other sites
BetItAll33 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 And btw - there are a multitude of ways to screen out bots and the successful sites will be all over it. Obviously the sites have every motivation to make you feel like you're getting a fair game and they have plenty of money to throw at the problem.Right, there are a multitude of antivirus programs too. That's why there aren't any viruses any more. /sw Link to post Share on other sites
rivercardbandit 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 If online poker hits the skidz it will be because of the government shutting it down or over-regulating it, not because of bots or lack of players. 8)I tend to agree with this statement the most. I imagine in the near future (2-5 years) a senator or congressman is going to make some sort of politcal stand one way or the other on the legality of online poker in the United States. Since Congress rarely does anything right, when they finally do get around to making some sort of decision regarding online gambling, they'll hose it up somehow. :evil: :evil: :evil: :cry: Link to post Share on other sites
Dr_Shakes 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 When Casinos and Card Rooms open up in every city...Online poker WILL die very quickly.Yeah right after every state across the nation legalizes gambling they will probably legalize prostitution and drugs too. Geez :roll: Link to post Share on other sites
koolromeo 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 When Casinos and Card Rooms open up in every city...Online poker WILL die very quickly.unless the casinos let you gamble in your underwear while looking at porn and lsitening to music, the online industry has nothing to fear. Link to post Share on other sites
jooka 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 When Casinos and Card Rooms open up in every city...Online poker WILL die very quickly.unless the casinos let you gamble in your underwear while looking at porn and lsitening to music, the online industry has nothing to fear. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerman 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 So you've had sex with a blow up doll alf? :oops: Link to post Share on other sites
Dr_Shakes 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 So you've had sex with a blow up doll alf? :oops:LOLThey have a blow-up doll who looks like Alf? That is sick :twisted: Must be from the 80's. Link to post Share on other sites
moneymanbc 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I wonder if someone right now is developing the "Donkmaster 2010"???? And how good would it be at doing the Krablar dance???? Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 there are tons of kids, ages 10-17 that are playing the game consitently and are itching to play online the day they turn 18, or 21, or whatever age it is they can get on and start playing. There will be a legion of new, dead money hitting online sites from now until the day the poker craze dies out, if it does. But I think this thing has longevity. Look what Tiger Woods did to golf. Everyone expected that to go away, and the numbers at golf courses worldwide have been higher ever sense he hit the scene. As long as poker has a discernible face to the mass markets, I think online poker will thrive.While I'll agree that there are kids waiting to play right now, the fad won't be there when they have the money to play so they won't.As for golf going away and Tiger saving it, are you serious? Golf originated in the 1840's and did pretty well before Tiger. I think the golfing population before Tiger would dwarf the poker population now. I know poker has been around for quite some time too, but never like this, never close to this. Its funny how people think that poker is really really big. It is for poker, but its not really that large of a population, its a specified group of people who connect with other people of the same interest and that makes them think "hey everyone plays poker". The truth is, a lot of people who got hooked a couple of years ago are gone now and there are more and more going away as well. Ne peoplea re coming in everyday, but with no skill, no real desire to be good. Eventually they will all lose and they will go away like thousands and thousands of others have over the past couple of years.Also, the government will find a way to regulate if not ban online sites in the next few years and that will be the end as we know it today. As someone elsesaid "companies making that much money won't go away" - yeah, companies making that much money won't be able to avoid the good 'ol US of A government for much longer until they want their piece or take it away so no one can have it.At any rate, none of us have any real hard evidence or numbers so its hard to say, but the fact remains that almost anyone on the street can tell you the basic rules about golf, but more than half don't have a clue as to how to play poker.You are so far off here on golf and Tiger Woods it is not even amusing. Yes golf has always had a large base. Yes it would not have folded if say tiger had been a tennis prodigy instead.However,Come on dude. Do you have any idea how much the ratings have jumped since he joined the tour? How much the prize purses have gone up? How much youth participation in golf has risen? The differences are amazing. Tiger didnt save golf. But he did transform it from a secondary sport to a primary one. Link to post Share on other sites
alf13 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 So you've had sex with a blow up doll alf? :oops:How do you think your mother got the sample she needed to have you be born? Link to post Share on other sites
Dr_Shakes 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 So you've had sex with a blow up doll alf? :oops:How do you think your mother got the sample she needed to have you be born?LAME response. Just admit you got zinged! :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
alf13 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 So you've had sex with a blow up doll alf? :oops:How do you think your mother got the sample she needed to have you be born?LAME response. Just admit you got zinged! :wink:No way...my response was pretty good.....You should have posted "nh" and been on your way. Link to post Share on other sites
Dr_Shakes 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 So you've had sex with a blow up doll alf? :oops:How do you think your mother got the sample she needed to have you be born?LAME response. Just admit you got zinged! :wink:No way...my response was pretty good.....You should have posted "nh" and been on your way.Alright people who wins? Alf or pokerman?One vote Pokerman.I mean your really, your mom .... how clever. :roll: Link to post Share on other sites
alf13 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Alright people who wins? Alf or pokerman?One vote Pokerman.I mean your really, your mom .... how clever. :roll:YO MAMA. Link to post Share on other sites
Socrates 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 there are tons of kids, ages 10-17 that are playing the game consitently and are itching to play online the day they turn 18, or 21, or whatever age it is they can get on and start playing. There will be a legion of new, dead money hitting online sites from now until the day the poker craze dies out, if it does. But I think this thing has longevity. Look what Tiger Woods did to golf. Everyone expected that to go away, and the numbers at golf courses worldwide have been higher ever sense he hit the scene. As long as poker has a discernible face to the mass markets, I think online poker will thrive.While I'll agree that there are kids waiting to play right now, the fad won't be there when they have the money to play so they won't.As for golf going away and Tiger saving it, are you serious? Golf originated in the 1840's and did pretty well before Tiger. I think the golfing population before Tiger would dwarf the poker population now. I know poker has been around for quite some time too, but never like this, never close to this. Its funny how people think that poker is really really big. It is for poker, but its not really that large of a population, its a specified group of people who connect with other people of the same interest and that makes them think "hey everyone plays poker". The truth is, a lot of people who got hooked a couple of years ago are gone now and there are more and more going away as well. Ne peoplea re coming in everyday, but with no skill, no real desire to be good. Eventually they will all lose and they will go away like thousands and thousands of others have over the past couple of years.Also, the government will find a way to regulate if not ban online sites in the next few years and that will be the end as we know it today. As someone elsesaid "companies making that much money won't go away" - yeah, companies making that much money won't be able to avoid the good 'ol US of A government for much longer until they want their piece or take it away so no one can have it.At any rate, none of us have any real hard evidence or numbers so its hard to say, but the fact remains that almost anyone on the street can tell you the basic rules about golf, but more than half don't have a clue as to how to play poker.You are so far off here on golf and Tiger Woods it is not even amusing. Yes golf has always had a large base. Yes it would not have folded if say tiger had been a tennis prodigy instead.However,Come on dude. Do you have any idea how much the ratings have jumped since he joined the tour? How much the prize purses have gone up? How much youth participation in golf has risen? The differences are amazing. Tiger didnt save golf. But he did transform it from a secondary sport to a primary one.How much have they jumped. Give me the numebrs and I'll listen. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Alright give me a bit to go look them up....these are significant changes Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Here is an article from 1999 a few years after tiger joined the tour (96)http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_..._50/ai_54378716 Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 here is a list of prize money for 1996 winners: (first half of year)1/7/96 Mercedes Championship Mark O'Meara -17 68-69-66-68 = 271 180,000.001/14/96 Nortel Open Phil Mickelson -14 69-66-71-67 = 273 225,000.001/21/96 Bob Hope Chrysler Classic Mark Brooks -23 66-68-69-67-67 = 337 234,000.001/27/96 Phoenix Open Phil MickelsonPlayoff: Beat Justin Leonard with birdie on third extra hole -15 69-67-66-67 = 269 234,000.002/11/96 Buick Invitational Davis Love III -19 66-70-69-64 = 269 216,000.002/18/96 United Airlines Hawaiian Open Jim FurykPlayoff: Beat Brad Faxon with birdie on third extra hole -11 68-71-69-69 = 277 216,000.002/25/96 Nissan Open Craig Stadler -6 67-70-73-68 = 278 216,000.003/3/96 Doral-Ryder Open Greg Norman -19 67-69-67-66 = 269 324,000.003/10/96 Honda Classic Tim Herron -17 62-68-72-69 = 271 234,000.003/17/96 Bay Hill Invitational Paul Goydos -13 67-74-67-67 = 275 216,000.003/24/96 Freeport-McDermott Classic Scott McCarron -13 68-67-69-71 = 275 216,000.003/31/96 The Players Championship Fred Couples -18 66-72-68-64 = 270 630,000.004/7/96 BellSouth Classic Paul StankowskiPlayoff: Beat Brandel Chamblee with birdie on first extra hole -8 68-71-70-71 = 280 234,000.004/14/96 Masters Nick Faldo -12 69-67-73-67 = 276 450,000.004/21/96 MCI Classic Loren Roberts -19 66-69-63-67 = 265 252,000.004/28/96 Greater Greensboro Chrysler Classic Mark O'Meara -14 75-68-62-69 = 274 324,000.005/5/96 Shell Houston Open Mark BrooksPlayoff: Beat Jeff Maggert with birdie on first extra hole -14 66-68-70-70 = 274 270,000.005/12/96 GTE Byron Nelson Classic Phil Mickelson -15 67-65-67-66 = 265 270,000.005/19/96 MasterCard Colonial Corey Pavin -8 69-67-67-69 = 272 270,000.005/26/96 Kemper Open Steve Stricker -14 69-68-65-68 = 270 270,000.006/2/96 Memorial Tournament Tom Watson -14 70-68-66-70 = 274 324,000.006/9/96 Buick Classic Ernie Els -13 65-66-69-71 = 271 216,000.006/16/96 U.S. Open Steve Jones -2 74-66-69-69 = 278 425,000.00 Link to post Share on other sites
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