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[wrto4556 0]

MP3 is a good player. He posts at 2+2 very frequently. He is aware of postition, obviously.15/30 (9 handed)Folded to the MP3 who open raises, I have K ,7 in the CO.what do I do?

[cdddc75 0]

Three betting to isolate against a good player (with position) on that hand is dumb.Not enough value in cold donking here in the hopes of catching a flush.Easy fold?

[KDawgCometh 2]

what do you put the HiJack's raising range at right there, is he likely to open there with a lot of hands, or is he gonna be tighter from the Hijaqck, and doesn't steal from the HiJack at that much of a frequencyedit: do you also think that you can out play him post flop, or are the post flop skills about even

[harvey 0]

folding seems like the"obvious answer" to me. Since this is a "fun post", I'd imagine there is some interesting logic behind the real answer.But, since I can't think of any, put me down for fold.

[wrto4556 0]

what do you put the HiJack's raising range at right there, is he likely to  open there with a lot of hands, or is he gonna be tighter from the Hijaqck, and doesn't steal from the HiJack at that much of a frequency

he's a 2fer, what do you think? he's opening from the CO with much marginal hands.

edit: do you also think that you can out play him post flop, or are the post flop skills about even

probably even. id like to say im better but he's good.

[wrto4556 0]

Three betting to isolate against a good player (with position) on that hand is dumb.Not enough value in cold donking here in the hopes of catching a flush.Easy fold?

could you expand a bit?

[KDawgCometh 2]

what do you put the HiJack's raising range at right there, is he likely to  open there with a lot of hands, or is he gonna be tighter from the Hijaqck, and doesn't steal from the HiJack at that much of a frequency

he's a 2fer, what do you think? he's opening from the CO with much marginal hands.

yes, but not all 2fers are made alike. LIke do you see PokerBob making a marginal raise there, do you see Stheif or Shant making a marginal raise there, ya know what I'm sayin

[Mr Monkey 0]

I would fold. I dont see much reason to get in MP3's way with that hand.

[cdddc75 0]

If he loves stealing as much as we do, then we could put him to the test by reraising preflop. At 15/30 nine handed, I don't think our K7s beats what he's got. You play that level a lot more than I do though.I haven't got a clue why we would call here. If we're not folding, we must be raising.

[wrto4556 0]

what do you put the HiJack's raising range at right there, is he likely to  open there with a lot of hands, or is he gonna be tighter from the Hijaqck, and doesn't steal from the HiJack at that much of a frequency

he's a 2fer, what do you think? he's opening from the CO with much marginal hands.

yes, but not all 2fers are made alike. LIke do you see PokerBob making a marginal raise there, do you see Stheif or Shant making a marginal raise there, ya know what I'm sayin

true that. Pbob opens with AK while stheif looks down at J7s after he puts the chips in and is happy with his raise.he's going to be opening pretty light.

[wrto4556 0]

At 15/30 nine handed, I don't think our K7s beats what he's got

what range of hands do you put him on?

I haven't got a clue why we would call here.  If we're not folding, we must be raising.

i think folding and calling are pretty close to the same thing.

[wrto4556 0]

I would fold. I dont see much reason to get in  MP3's way with that hand.

you havnt convinced me.

[HtotheNootch 0]

If I have enough info about him that he's a known stealer, I might call depending upon the other players. I don't think I'm strong enough to want to play it heads up. Personally, what I'd like to do is see a flop against this guy and if I hit, then I can take a lot of money off him. I don't hate additional players in because if I pick any up, it makes my decision easier. I either hit the flop well or get out.Absent additional info, I say muck that.

[Mr Monkey 0]

I would fold. I dont see much reason to get in  MP3's way with that hand.

you havnt convinced me.

you have no money in the pot. you are probably beat. K7s IMO isnt a hand u want play after someone opened with a raise unless they are weak and a bad post flop player

[cdddc75 0]

i think folding and calling are pretty close to the same thing.

So you think calling is 0 EV (or reasonably close)?I put him on a range of any pocket pair, Ax, Kx, QJ-Q8. I think we're behind quite a bit more often than we're ahead. And we're dominated WAY more often than we dominate here.

[monoatomic 0]

Raise.9 handed and folded around to a player in that position is going to bet a lot of hands. AK-A2, KQ-K7, QJ-Q8, J9, J10, probably any suited connector 78, 89, 910, any pocket 22-AA.Three betting will probably isolate just you and him. You have position. If you are inclined to believe the raise is a steal instead of a good hand raise, he will be aware your 3-bet is an isolation bet and you probably have a hand between A10-A6, KJ-K7, QJ, Q10, and possibly J10-J8 suited. After that it's whoever catches/out plays the other post flop.

[Jordan 1]

i have a very basic reason as to why one would "fold"...K7 is a trash hand. There.Now, in this instance, playing a player....I s'pose you could put a move on him, or whatever and try to outplay him. So I dunno if you'd rather call here or raise. If I was playing, I'd probably raise and get out the blinds.I don't play 15/30, so at 3/6 or w/e below, I'm mucking this trash hand.- Jordan

[screech 0]

What does he think of your play? Does he know you will isolate here with marginal hands, or does he respect a 3-bet from you?If he respects your 3-bet, go for it, but don't get carried away with this play as he will surely catch on. If he knows you will occassionally isolate here, I'd probably just fold. K7 suited seems a bit too weak for our purpose - too much can go wrong. I'd be more inclined to make this play with K10s.I have no experience playing at this level, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

[wrto4556 0]

really, it was a move Kdawg pulled against me at the FCP table and I really liked it.of coarse he's not 3-betting this every time. Just for metagame purposes.but I ran a few simulations, and it seems like a +EV 3-bet...if you don't get carried away.K7s is winning 45% of the time against my hi jack raising standards. But he is going to take the pot when i miss with something like A6s or 33 pretty often even though i have the best hand. I would expect him to 3-bet with no less than AJs.When he 3-bet me I didn't really like it at first. But then, we started talking about it on AIM, and I couldn't figure out a reason why a 3-bet there would be wrong. Surely, if he did it every time, i would take my pairs and A-high hands to showdown more liberally and play them more aggressively to keep keith from taking all the initiative.EDIT: Now, im going to still take those hands to showdown even when his 3-bets are legit.just thought it was a little interesting.

[justblaze 0]

wrto, question for ya: are you playing 15-30 yet? i see a lot of 10-20 hands you are posting. you must have made a big rush since we did that whole rush to 5k thing (which i just finally hit ) how did you build it up so quick? i guess playing full time will help that, im still working 9-5 (until friday )

[wrto4556 0]

i have the roll for 15/30 but im not playing it. I've taken about 4 stabs at it, and did ok, but im not very comfortable yet. Im moving out on monday so I don't want to take a big risk right now.As for my rush, yeah. I was playing heads up with another prop, whom I seriously HATE to play with, and he was telling me to move up to 10/20. "The play is just as bad as 5/10. Come finish this guy off," He says. I went up to where he was playing and finished the guy off and waited for another. I started to play 10/20 with a $4,000 roll and hit a HUGE rush. 8) My first month at 10/20 I made somewhere around $6,000...but, that includes my paychecks. :wink: so during the race thing, when i got to $3,000 i jumped to 5/10 and then almost immediatly went up to 10/20. I agree that playing full time does help, but I also get 100% rakeback. btw, this will be my 5th month playing full time. Im pretty stoked that I havnt gone broke yet. Although, this month has been really horrible for me. I went through a 200BB downswing and have only cashed out $500 for the month. I got lucky, i guess.

[justblaze 0]

i have the roll for 15/30 but im not playing it. I've taken about 4 stabs at it, and did ok, but im not very comfortable yet. Im moving out on monday so I don't want to take a big risk right now.As for my rush, yeah. I was playing heads up with another prop, whom I seriously HATE to play with, and he was telling me to move up to 10/20. "The play is just as bad as 5/10. Come finish this guy off," He says. I went up to where he was playing and finished the guy off and waited for another. I started to play 10/20 with a $4,000 roll and hit a HUGE rush. 8) My first month at 10/20 I made somewhere around $6,000...but, that includes my paychecks. :wink: so during the race thing, when i got to $3,000 i jumped to 5/10 and then almost immediatly went up to 10/20. I agree that playing full time does help, but I also get 100% rakeback. btw, this will be my 5th month playing full time. Im pretty stoked that I havnt gone broke yet. Although, this month has been really horrible for me. I went through a 200BB downswing and have only cashed out $500 for the month. I got lucky, i guess.

there is luck in poker, but it takes skill to put yourself in the position to be lucky. congrats on your success. im still grinding away at 3-6 with a 5k roll. am i a giant vagina?

[wrto4556 0]

i smell you from here.the play at 5/10 is no better than 3/6...probably just a tad bit tighter preflop. The 5/10 6-max is so easy to beat it's scary.why havn't you moved up?

[KDawgCometh 2]

im still grinding away at 3-6 with a 5k roll. am i a giant vagina?

you wanna spot me 1500 while I get back on my feet. 50/50 on the action? :wink:

[justblaze 0]

i smell you from here.the play at 5/10 is no better than 3/6...probably just a tad bit tighter preflop. The 5/10 6-max is so easy to beat it's scary.why havn't you moved up?

im going to school in sept, and i reeeeeeeaally dont want to have to deal with finding employment, so ive been ultra-conservative with my roll. I also have a past history which forces me to be conservative. About a year ago i was beating live 10-20 consistently, but i was an idiot with bankroll management. when i won i would go out and blow half my take on clothes, food, drinks and drugs, so my roll never really grew. I had a few good 20-40 sessions and started playing that full time with a 100bb roll. I had a really rough week (i lost 2 $1500 pots on the river to a 1 and a 2 outer respectively) which just cleaned me out and forced me to start from scratch (my 5k roll is actually built from $30 - started at 5c 10c NL). That experience made bankroll management the most important thing to me. With that said, ive started taking a few shots, particularily when buddy listed players are playing 5-10 6max. my winrate at 5-10 6max is ridiculous, like 27bb/100 through 400ish hands. i wonder if thats sustainable? Im done my 9-5 job this friday and ill be playing full time from that point on. im going to take out 2k from my roll and take a shot at 10-20. theres a charity casino that opens for august in toronto with 16 tables. 8 of them are the softest 10-20 games in the world. If i get killed, ill have to build back up at 3-6. if i do well, ill probably jump to 10-20 straight away. is 5-10 really that soft on party?