leaving tips for staff

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This is the way I look at it.... I am tipping for a service that was provided to me.  The casino business is a toking industry, and thats how people make money.  The people here who say they wouldnt tip anything if they won are either supremely cheap and pathetic, or if they were actually put in  the situation they would probably leave atleast 25k.

Can someone please explain to me how a poker dealer is providing a service? They are providing a service to the casino, and they are being compensated for it as employees. Nothing the dealer does will help your chances of winning the tournament. All these people stating that it's mandatory to leave a tip make me laugh. A good waitress is one that does their job with a smile, and when you ask for something they deliver it quickly and courteously. The dealers sit there and pass out cards, collect chips and pass them to the winning player. NOTHING they do effects the outcome of the tournament, so how are they providing a service that is worthy of a tip?And don't get me wrong, when I used to play blackjack in AC regularly I always tipped the dealer if I was having a good night. I'd even tip the dealer if I was losing but they were friendly. It was my choice though. I haven't played in any WSOP events so I don't know how much interaction there actually is between the players and the dealers but unless it was considerable and actually helped my attitude which in turn helped me in the tournament then I dont' see how a tip is warranted.

[jack24bauer24 0]

Tipping has gotten out of hand.  At my local casino sitting down at a 1/2 nl table i kept track of the tips over an hr period.  Like 35 hands.  The dealer was tipped something like 32$.  Sure dealers do a good job, but add minimum wage to that and they'd be making 37$ an hr.  Is there job that difficult.  As far as leaving a tip of 100$.  The guy left 100$ more then he had to leave.  The dealers were paid very well for dealing the wsop and money was already taken out for tipping.  When dealers are dealing in the WSOP they are making there money off of the 3% taken out of the buy ins so its unneccessary to tip.

You think the dealer keeps that 32 dollars? You are sorely misinformed my friend. It goes into a toke for ALL of the dealers... and on a 1/2 NL table you're looking at $1-2 per hand AT BEST. It's not much money, trust me, I am very good friends with lots of Foxwoods dealers. They don't make squat. Bunch of spoiled internet players is what you all appear to be. It's common courtesy and good poker mojo to tip when you are winning. Regardless of what "their boss pays them already". Unbelievable.

So don't be a dealer, its that simple. You don't hear kids working at McDonald's complaining that they make squat. Booofreakinghooo.In Canada dealers start out at about 12 an hour wage plus tips, which isn't squat at all.If you don't like the money you make as a dealer, DO SOMETHING ELSE. Its not a players responsibility to make sure that dealers have a big screen TV.

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Find another job if you don't like it?  What is this?  Justification for your cheapness?  Tipping is part of poker.  Poker dealers should get tipped and do, by and large, get tipped. .

Can you please explain to me WHY pojer dealers SHOULD get tipped, other than the fact that because it's now expected, they are paid less than they might otherwise be paid by the casinos?Here's my problem with tipping, and if you disagree that's your prerogative. Anyway, it seems to me that tips have gotten dispropotionately large comared to the service that is being rendered (in general). Waiting tables has always stayed about the same (15%), but where I see the largest scale fleecing is in the bartending industry, particularly at upscale clubs. I can order a lousy beer (not a mixed drink mind you) and I'm EXPECTED to leave the bartender about a buck for it. A freakin buck for literally 20 seconds of work. They get the beer from the cooler, twist off the cap, and put it on the bar for me. WOW! That's a major effort. And they are so busy that they could literally do this 60 or 70 times an hour. Hmm, not for nothing, but I'd like to make $70 an hour for serving drinks. Hell, I already paid $3 to $4 for a freakin' beer I could have gotten for $.50 at the local distributor. I guess that covers the ambience of the place, huh? It's a joke. These bar owners are cleaning up on any given night, they are paying their bartenders crap because the custom of tipping pays them very well, and any bartender out there who says it doesn't, save it. You're obviously not serving at the upscale clubs, because I know for a fact that they make very good money for the time they work. Anyway, I'm not saying that all tipped positions are overdoing it, but there are some. I do happen to feel that casino dealers are in this category as well. Nothing in how they perform their job effects the outcome of my night for the better. So why should they be rewarded when my luck turns and I actually win some money? In poker, it's MY skill (and yes, luck too) that won me the tournament, and it had nothing to do with how the delaer dealt the cards. My feeling is, when the person actually assists you and makes your experience better, more enjoyable, more profitable by something that they did, then they deserve to be tipped for it. Dealing cards, in my opinion, doesn't qualify here as a mandatory tipping position.

[HarryDemetriou 0]

Below you will find my original post under the heading Extra Tips which was posted under the thread that attacked our new champion Joseph Hachem for allegedly leaving a $100 tip (BTW I have found absolutely nobody who can confirm that he left $100 and am led to believe that he was pressured/bullied into leaving $75k but was advised by others not to leave anything at the last moment - hence he left zero).The problem with all this, however is where do you draw the line and what is considered fair or unfair?Personally I believe (and say so below) that as money is taken out of the pool for staff the tip/toke is accounted for and no extra should either be given or expected.Now with the 2% taken out for staff (over $1.2 million) from the main event alone (3% was taken out of the majority of other events) there may well be a problem with how it is divided up eg 1% to floor staff, 1% to dealers and 1% to cleaners say (I do not know exactly how it is divided up) but this is something to be discussed between the dealers/staff and management. For a dealer to expect/demand extra after these amounts have been taken out imo is pure and simply greed.If you want to not have money taken out of the prize pool from all entries then fine you can have a tip from the top three spots and I am CERTAIN you will find that collectively you get a LOT LESS money than the way things are done at present with the prize pool deductions.Finally in Australia and England (can't speak for every country in the world) tipping of dealers/casino staff is not permitted. The idea behind this is to prevent dealer collusion with the players. However because this is the case the staff (dealers) get paid considerably more than their counterparts in the USA.If dealers want to get $20 per hour rather than their $5-15 per hour then fine as long as they do not want to get any tips on top of this.For a 40 hour week over 6 weeks I make that 240 x $20 or $4800 for each dealer.For 500 dealers that makes it 500 x £4800 or $2.4 million.However although I heard 500 dealers were hired I don't believe that 500 were needed for all 6 weeks so using a more appropriate figure of 250 dealers that comes to a total for dealers of $1.2 million (what a coincidence this is less than the amount taken out of the main event alone).So any dealers prefer to get paid four times their normal tournament rate and get no tips on top? I doubt it very much.Please excuse me if my figures are precise but I think I've been a little generous here to demonstrate a point......Namely that if the dealers are paid a higher basic salary they would be financially worse off and if they were tipped without deductions from the whole prizepool they would be financially worse off and that with either of these two alternatives the players prize pool would be MUCH better off.If I sound a little bitter/venemous on this subject then quite frankly it is because I am. I do not begrudge the dealers and staff a fair return for their work but as pointed out elsewhere with the amounts taken out of the prizepools I feel that the players are paying top dollar for staff.Personally I like the idea of allowing for the tip in the form of deductions from the whole prize pool and feel it should be set at a maximum of 2%. However in exchange for this I feel that I and other players should not be expected to leave additional money for the staff.Previous reply/comment to all this in another thread:I really cannot understand why anyone would give our new champion such a hard time over this. He has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG. But as all this stuff about him leaving $100 is purely hypothetical let me offer the following hypothesis. He won the main event and then felt pressured/leaned on/encouraged to leave an additional tip. Rather than leave an additional tip maybe he feels that as 2% was already taken out of the pool for staff it may be more appropriate for him to give some money to a charity of his choosing instead? I'm not saying this happened or didn't happen but wouldn't he be entitled to do this instead of leaving more for the staff? Flame me all you wish but I personally believe that the 2% taken out of the main event was more than generous and that 3% for other events is extortionate. The dealers were paid $5.15 per hour at the WSOP and a fair number of them were not that good and shouldn't be dealing. The "Tip" pool was very large and although distributed amongst more than just the dealers represented a rather nice bonus. Personally I feel the dealers should be paid more than this and if they are not happy with the overall amount they get then they should take it up with The Rio management. In the days before staff deductions from prize pools the top 3 paid places would leave between 1 and3% as a tip. Now that the prize pool has 2/3% deducted it represents a hell of a lot more than they could have expected in the past. I will not speak for DN but feel pretty confident that he and the other top players would resent being expected to leave a tip after deductions for the staff had already been made from the prizepool. I myself left zero at The Rio this year when cashing but then I believe that I did not receive good service so they were not entitled to extra. At other venues like the Bellagio when cashing I have left tips despite the prize pool having 3% deductions for staff. But this was done entirely off my own back and because I like the dealers and staff at The Bellagio and because I believed it was appropriate at the time and they have always given above average service. In 2002 at my first WSOP event final table I left a tip when coming third and picking up around $80000. I do not believe that there was any deduction made for staff in those days. When there are no deductions made from the prize pool then I beleieve it is almost manadatory to leave a tip and I would say you could feel aggrieved if a tip was not left. Well that's my view on this whole sorry saga but feel there is a VERY strong case for absolutely NOBODY leaving ANYTHING for the staff when a percentage has already been taken out of the prize pool.

[HarryDemetriou 0]

PS I know of a lot of players who will not tip when there have been deductions from the prizepools for the staff but will go around and give the odd dealer something extra privately away from the tables.The reason for this could be that the dealer may have dealt a sequence of favourable cards to that player that may have helped them do well or simply that they like certain dealers more than others. Furthermore the reason they do it privately is because some States/employers say tips must be pooled whilst others demand that it has to go specifically to the person it's given to.With prize pool deductions the players do not dictate where the money goes - the management of the organization decides so maybe this is a better way of giving tips as being a player you give it directly to those you feel are deserving.I know that having had a few disputes of my own at this years WSOP I certainly begrudged any of that tip pool going to certain dealers and floor staff as quite frankly they were not worthy but fortunately these individuals were in the minority although collectively they still represented a large number.

[krup24 0]

So now the winner may have left nothing? Good for him. He doesn't have to leave anything especially if he was "pressured" to leave 75K.When Harry makes a poll he gets some responses, huh. Over 100.Your insight is greatly appreciated by the forum.

[SoullesS 0]

Harry, I respect your opinion but as you can see from some of the "quality" responses here.. if the casinos did NOT take out a set amount then there is no way in hell most of these idiots would leave any money. The "oh if you don't like it, get a better job" mentality would always supercede common courtesy. I will always tip when winning a tournament, regardless of what was taken out in staff fees.

[choic 0]

Never played in England but the games are hard enough at the Crowne in Melbourne with the rake. You'd be lucky to break even playing the low limits. If there was tipping there, the game would almost be unbeatable.But not tipping after 7.5mil score is awfully cheap.Disagree with Harry on this one. Don't know for sure but I'd bet DN would give a very handsome tip.

[Royal_Tour 0]

I have a hard time with the tipping if they have already pulled a nice chunk out for that purpose. I saw some comparisons to resteraunts, but how about this one. We go to a local place every other week with a large group, kids adults etc. 20+ people. They tell us right off that bat that 20% will be added to the bill to cover the tip. We understand that going in and accept it. What we don't do is leave more money for them when we leave. they took the 20% already? why should we? We told a very good waitress one day that if they didn't tack on the 20% she would probably get more out of us for a tip than 20%.I play at the Bike in the Nooner tournaments often, I am not a fan of rebuys but I like the Thursday tourney only $20+10 with $10 rebuys, the pot gets big and for a smaller local tournament you can win 3-4k for first in about 4-5 hours, and they make great tournament practice for cheap.A couple weeks ago I made the money but not the final table, now I was in for the buy-in, a double rebuy and a double add-on at the end. $70 total. I cashed for $60 still lost $10 overall. When I went to the table to get my measly 60 bucks. She tapped the glass jar next to her and said "if you want to leave a tip for the dealers, just drop it in here". I was like "Take it from the final table people, I still lost money" Now I like these people and they know me, so I still threw in 5 bucks. but for a $60 win she should have not begged for a tip.If they pull money from the pile for this purpose, than keep your winnings.

these are excellent points!!I agree 100%, why especially when he fronted 10k cash to play in this event, should he feel obligated to tip 3% of his winnings,These people have a great job, they are around poker 24/7, and get to see all the action first hand. if the money isnt enough, then i suggest going back to school.

[HarryDemetriou 0]

Harry, I respect your opinion but as you can see from some of the "quality" responses here.. if the casinos did NOT take out a set amount then there is no way in hell most of these idiots would leave any money. The "oh if you don't like it, get a better job" mentality would always supercede common courtesy. I will always tip when winning a tournament, regardless of what was taken out in staff fees.

As I said the old way of doing things was for the top three places to leave between 1 and 3 % of their return.By taking out the money from the prizepool I believe the staff get more and that the major problem that arises from this is how this money is subsequently divided.Someone asked for my views and so I presented them here.I do not expect everyone to agree with me or for my arguments to be completely accepted as being totally right (alas I am wrong from time to time) but I always try and give my honest opinion regardless.There is absolutely no easy solution to any of this and I doubt everyone will be happy regardless of what system is used for tipping.However it would be interesting to hear from any dealers from the WSOP who may wish to divulge exactly how much they received for their work along with their bonus and whether it was paid to each one on an hours worked basis or merely for being a dealer at any time during the 6 weeks.At least accurate figures should give us a better indication as to how "fair" things were and how the staff pool was divided up.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

DN keeps a rack of oddball chips during the challenge matches and tips after every push. I think like 25 bucks.

[HarryDemetriou 0]

Let me just clarify a couple of things.Everything to which I refer above is related to tournament poker where they take out something from the prizepool for the staff.When it comes to cash game play then it's a whole new story.I think there can be absolutely no excuse for not tipping the dealer in cash games.Usually it is done in the form of throwing $1 to the dealer for every winning pot but when it's a bigger than usual one then it goes up to $2.This also depends on the game limits too but typically it's $1-$2 per winning hand.Some players however wait for a dealer push before tipping (OK by me but I prefer the former method above) as they like to see whether or not they have won or lost in that half hour session with that dealer.Either way though the majority of players will tip something when having a winning pot or session as they realise that most dealers earn roughly minimum wage (or at least that's what I believe they get in Vegas).

[NicksDad1970 0]

I feel like I would leave 2-3% in addition to what was taken out by the staff.

[Loismustdie 0]

There's nothing more pathetic than a dealer explaining to players why they owe them charity.If you entered the "card dealing" industry with the expectation that people would dish out a tip on every pot that they took down, you need to rethink what a tip is. You should be fortunate that people are as willing to tip as they are on account of their own guilt and insecurities. Believe me, the vast majority of tips that you get as a dealer won't be because people legitimately feel that you've earned it; it's because they dont want to stand out as a cheap skate. If you rely on tips for a living wage and people aren't tipping as well as you had hoped, maybe you should rethink your career choice, instead of blaming people for not giving gratuities for providing a service that they're already paying for in the form of a rake.Do you know WHY your base wages at the casino are low? Because people tip so excessively. When people tip, the employers can afford to offer lower wages and still have people fill the jobs. If the average tip combined with your base wage wasn't worth your time, you would be inclined to leave your job, as would other dealers in your position. If that were the case, you would start seeing a decrease in the supply of dealers and casinos would be forced to increase the base wage in order to attract dealers back to the occupation. Your marginal product is essentially what decides what your wage is. If you think you're worth more than what you're earning in terms of after-tip income, then FIND ANOTHER JOB. As the average level of tips goes down, supposing the collective dealership has any dignity and sense of self worth, your career decisions will equilibriate the base wage up such that your total wage will be identical to what it would be with more generous clientelle.To blame individuals for tipping less than what you've come to expect is absurd. It's probably an indication that you're expecting too much in the way of tips. [/b]

Hey Abadabba since your so smart tell me one poker book that tells you to not tip. One. Just one. PLEASE. ONE. NO? Thought so. Idiot.

[PotDragon 0]

The only problem I see with the comparison between the restaurant industry and poker dealers is that most of the servers at restaurants that I know only make alittle over 2 dollars an hour.......their wages are dependent on tips.

The major problem with comparing the restaurant industry and poker dealers is that restaurant workers actually do something. A great waiter/waitress can absolutly make an evening wonderful...or horrible. Their actions directly affect the overall dining experience.A poker dealer ? Has no control over the cards....how you play them...how your opponnets played theirs...or basically anything. The best thing they can do in tourny situations is be quiet....deal fast....keep track of the action...and, oh yeah, call the floor if you mutter the f bomb. :roll:

They will also see your next movie- and the next- and you have created a situation that is only positive. Can anyone tell me how this created a good situation for this guy, except for he has more money than he would if he had?

This is totally flawed "logic". So...if I tip the dealers...they will deal to me at the next tourny I lay 10 grand to play ? If I don't...guess what...they still do. Where is my "good situation"? What level of service can I expect in the future ? Oh...exactly the same.

if the casinos did NOT take out a set amount then there is no way in hell most of these idiots would leave any money.

But since they do...what is your point ? If they want to put the arm on the winner...just take the extra 75 grand and make the pool that much larger. Oh yeah...thats why they started tip withholding in the first place...yet they still want more.

To stiff the WSOP staff is the highest of high insults, the stiff of all stiffs.

Really ? This was the tourny where Johnny Grooms decided to add 30 minutes to a round right before the event started right ? Where they changed the dinner break and a dealer didn't tell his table and a dude was blinded off right ? Where Raymer's cards were retrieved from the muck right ? Let's not pretend they did a great job.

You're wrong. Dealers make crap for hourly wages.. it's all about the toke. And yes, they held some money out of the pool for "Staff" but how much of that do you think the WSOP dealers ACTUALLY GOT? You're fooling yourself if you think that they gave the dealers 300,000 dollars to split up.

That brings up another point. Anyone think Johnny Grooms got paid minimum wage ? Yet I'll bet he was there for his slice of the tip pool. As were a bunch of other "floormen" and " supervisors" probably...I doubt they said " hey, let me leave 1% of my paycheck for the dealers".

We told a very good waitress one day that if they didn't tack on the 20% she would probably get more out of us for a tip than 20%.

But maybe not huh ? I worked in every facet of the resturant industry...from busboy to General Manager....and although many people say this...I can count on one hand how many times I saw it happen....if ever. Trust me...in catering especially...if the tip were not added...most would "forget" to tip the staff. That's why it is added on ! As Harry said...in years passed there was no 3% withholding for staff and I'll bet some ( or alot ) of those times the staff did, in fact, get stiffed. That's why they started the withholding !! Now we withhold and are expected to face the arm too huh ?I am not sure what I would do. Like I said before, it would totally depend on the service I had recieved. What I do know is that it is alot more complicated an issue than just " you are a bunch of cheapskates"...and comparisons to any other industry fall way short.

[checkymcfold 0]

i think all of these are pretty valid points, everyone.(but...)in my mind, tournament poker with prize pool % across-the-board tipping is very similar to what i experienced while bartending at a nice restaraunt that was often reserved for large parties.at my restaraunt, we enforced a mandatory 20% gratuity on the final bill of every large party that reserved our room downstairs. this room had a separate bar, separate waiters/bartenders (further to go to refill drinks, overfull trays to carry, further to get food, etc.), and a separate menu (different stuff to prepare in the kitchen). this put special burdens on each of the waiters, each of the bartenders, and each member of the kitchen, accordingly. this i understand to be at least analogous to, if not very similar to, the extra burdens put on dealers at the WSOP (deal faster! that other table is dealing more hands!, a small mistake might cost someone millions instead of a pot of 100 bucks, etc.). so yes, we had a mandatory 20% gratuity. however, the wait staff was generally very pissed off if a large party didn't give a little extra (or a lot extra, depending on how well we felt we did our jobs). this "extra" varied greatly, from an extra 20 bucks each to sometimes even an extra 20-25% on top of the imposed gratuity. the parties which obviously had a lot more money usually gave the larger "extra" tips. this seemed, to me at least, pretty damn logical. these parties were extra work for us. these parties imposed a mandatory tip of 20%, which, at a restaraunt of relatively high caliber, is low, if anything (most nights, i averaged between 25-35% serving tables and/or making drinks). and yes, when i worked a party, my base pay was more. i got 2.90 to wait tables, 7.25 to bartend and wait tables, and 9.00 to only bartend or host parties. i'm getting a bit off track, but my point is this: tipping is just part of the game, tournament or otherwise. granted, things are different when you're not in the states/canada/wherever else, but it's part of western culture to share the wealth with anyone in the service industry. if someone came in and blew 500 dollars at dinner, i expected (well, expect may not quite be the right word, but yeah) a higher tip in terms of percentage than from someone who was obviously on a budget.so, you just won the WSOP? kick some back to those who made it happen, regardless of how much was taken out beforehand. that's just, quite simply, what we do here. there is a shitload of pressure on the guys helping run a tournament for millions of dollars to do things exactly right. if they do a good job under harder-than-normal conditions, they deserve significantly extra compensation, just like the guys that play deserve a bigger prize for winning a big, huge, nasty, televised tournament.

[checkymcfold 0]

i think all of these are pretty valid points, everyone.(but...)in my mind, tournament poker with prize pool % across-the-board tipping is very similar to what i experienced while bartending at a nice restaraunt that was often reserved for large parties.at my restaraunt, we enforced a mandatory 20% gratuity on the final bill of every large party that reserved our room downstairs. this room had a separate bar, separate waiters/bartenders (further to go to refill drinks, overfull trays to carry, further to get food, etc.), and a separate menu (different stuff to prepare in the kitchen). this put special burdens on each of the waiters, each of the bartenders, and each member of the kitchen, accordingly. this i understand to be at least analogous to, if not very similar to, the extra burdens put on dealers at the WSOP (deal faster! that other table is dealing more hands!, a small mistake might cost someone millions instead of a pot of 100 bucks, etc.). so yes, we had a mandatory 20% gratuity. however, the wait staff was generally very pissed off if a large party didn't give a little extra (or a lot extra, depending on how well we felt we did our jobs). this "extra" varied greatly, from an extra 20 bucks each to sometimes even an extra 20-25% on top of the imposed gratuity. the parties which obviously had a lot more money usually gave the larger "extra" tips. this seemed, to me at least, pretty damn logical. these parties were extra work for us. these parties imposed a mandatory tip of 20%, which, at a restaraunt of relatively high caliber, is low, if anything (most nights, i averaged between 25-35% serving tables and/or making drinks). and yes, when i worked a party, my base pay was more. i got 2.90 to wait tables, 7.25 to bartend and wait tables, and 9.00 to only bartend or host parties. i'm getting a bit off track, but my point is this: tipping is just part of the game, tournament or otherwise. granted, things are different when you're not in the states/canada/wherever else, but it's part of western culture to share the wealth with anyone in the service industry. if someone came in and blew 500 dollars at dinner, i expected (well, expect may not quite be the right word, but yeah) a higher tip in terms of percentage than from someone who was obviously on a budget.so, you just won the WSOP? kick some back to those who made it happen, regardless of how much was taken out beforehand. that's just, quite simply, what we do here. there is a shitload of pressure on the guys helping run a tournament for millions of dollars to do things exactly right. if they do a good job under harder-than-normal conditions, they deserve significantly extra compensation, just like the guys that play deserve a bigger prize for winning a big, huge, nasty, televised tournament.

[checkymcfold 0]

i think all of these are pretty valid points, everyone.(but...)in my mind, tournament poker with prize pool % across-the-board tipping is very similar to what i experienced while bartending at a nice restaraunt that was often reserved for large parties.at my restaraunt, we enforced a mandatory 20% gratuity on the final bill of every large party that reserved our room downstairs. this room had a separate bar, separate waiters/bartenders (further to go to refill drinks, overfull trays to carry, further to get food, etc.), and a separate menu (different stuff to prepare in the kitchen). this put special burdens on each of the waiters, each of the bartenders, and each member of the kitchen, accordingly. this i understand to be at least analogous to, if not very similar to, the extra burdens put on dealers at the WSOP (deal faster! that other table is dealing more hands!, a small mistake might cost someone millions instead of a pot of 100 bucks, etc.). so yes, we had a mandatory 20% gratuity. however, the wait staff was generally very pissed off if a large party didn't give a little extra (or a lot extra, depending on how well we felt we did our jobs). this "extra" varied greatly, from an extra 20 bucks each to sometimes even an extra 20-25% on top of the imposed gratuity. the parties which obviously had a lot more money usually gave the larger "extra" tips. this seemed, to me at least, pretty damn logical. these parties were extra work for us. these parties imposed a mandatory tip of 20%, which, at a restaraunt of relatively high caliber, is low, if anything (most nights, i averaged between 25-35% serving tables and/or making drinks). and yes, when i worked a party, my base pay was more. i got 2.90 to wait tables, 7.25 to bartend and wait tables, and 9.00 to only bartend or host parties. i'm getting a bit off track, but my point is this: tipping is just part of the game, tournament or otherwise. granted, things are different when you're not in the states/canada/wherever else, but it's part of western culture to share the wealth with anyone in the service industry. if someone came in and blew 500 dollars at dinner, i expected (well, expect may not quite be the right word, but yeah) a higher tip in terms of percentage than from someone who was obviously on a budget.so, you just won the WSOP? kick some back to those who made it happen, regardless of how much was taken out beforehand. that's just, quite simply, what we do here. there is a shitload of pressure on the guys helping run a tournament for millions of dollars to do things exactly right. if they do a good job under harder-than-normal conditions, they deserve significantly extra compensation, just like the guys that play deserve a bigger prize for winning a big, huge, nasty, televised tournament.

[Loismustdie 0]

They will also see your next movie- and the next- and you have created a situation that is only positive. Can anyone tell me how this created a good situation for this guy, except for he has more money than he would if he had?

This is totally flawed "logic". So...if I tip the dealers...they will deal to me at the next tourny I lay 10 grand to play ? If I don't...guess what...they still do. Where is my "good situation"? What level of service can I expect in the future ? Oh...exactly the same. Answer the question. How has he created anything positive. ANYTHING? NO? Did not think so. Let's see your good situation- where is your good situation- ummmmmm...... YOU JUST WON 7.5 MILLION F ING DOLLARS!!!!! There has not been a good argument posted yet for being cheap- I say sound off. Everyone. Just type in cheap or not cheap, and this will be all over. Or you could go with Douche or not Douche. Assclown or not. Get it, got it, good.

[PotDragon 0]

They will also see your next movie- and the next- and you have created a situation that is only positive. Can anyone tell me how this created a good situation for this guy, except for he has more money than he would if he had?

This is totally flawed "logic". So...if I tip the dealers...they will deal to me at the next tourny I lay 10 grand to play ? If I don't...guess what...they still do. Where is my "good situation"? What level of service can I expect in the future ? Oh...exactly the same. Answer the question. How has he created anything positive. ANYTHING? NO? Did not think so. Let's see your good situation- where is your good situation- ummmmmm...... YOU JUST WON 7.5 MILLION F ING DOLLARS!!!!! There has not been a good argument posted yet for being cheap- I say sound off. Everyone. Just type in cheap or not cheap, and this will be all over. Or you could go with Douche or not Douche. Assclown or not. Get it, got it, good.

Hmmm...so you have no answer to the one part of my post you even bothered to address huh ?Your statement was about Bill Murry creating a positive expectation by leaving a %100 tip. Your answer is that a dude won the tourny he was playing in ? WTF are you talking about ? Creating anything positive was in relation to the tip.Get it..got it..FU

[SuM827 0]

When dining, I leave a tip no less than 15% no matter what, this is beacause most wait staff only recieve $2 an hour as their base hourly wage. However, because of the fact that these dealers are paid $5 an hour plus the 2% already taken out of the prize pool, I think that any tip should be a means of expressing your overall satisfaction with the WSOP experience. And from what i've heard $100 sounds about right.

[Abbaddabba 0]

Ridiculous.Find another job if you don't like it? What is this? Justification for your cheapness? Tipping is part of poker. Poker dealers should get tipped and do, by and large, get tipped. If you're not tipping, it's your choice, but you're still a censored. I'm not gonna judge you, but I'm sure the dealers will, as they well should.Who besides the cheap ass player should the dealers blame for Chrissakes? Themselves? "Oh drat, if the cards hadn't stuck together between seats 4 and 5, I might have made a dollar off that pot"? No, it's guys like you, Aba, who don't give a damn how they come off or anyone else, for that matter.I'll be honest, when I see someone who knows how we roll in America, intentionally leave an unfair or no tip, I won't say anything, but they lose points in my eyes. It's one of those things that tells a lot about a person.Joseph Hachem is a piece of crap, with crappy facial hair, made up friends (he met them at the WSOP), and no class. To stiff the WSOP staff is the highest of high insults, the stiff of all stiffs.It'd be like Roger Federer winning Wimbeldon, grabbing the mic and going, "censored you England. You suck, Roddick." To me, it's just as bad.Poker is about money, after all, even to the dealers. Money talks. And by leaving a mere $100, Joseph said volumes about his character, or lack thereof.

Yes, find another job. Tipping is only part of poker because the general public is too insecure to question why the hell they're tipping such absurd amounts in the first place. Nobody cares about your idiotic conception of morality.

Usually it is done in the form of throwing $1 to the dealer for every winning pot but when it's a bigger than usual one then it goes up to $2.This also depends on the game limits too but typically it's $1-$2 per winning hand.

For mid or high limits, that's perfectly reasonable. But for a 2/4 game? $2 a pot is a significant portion of the pot.

[Loismustdie 0]

They will also see your next movie- and the next- and you have created a situation that is only positive. Can anyone tell me how this created a good situation for this guy, except for he has more money than he would if he had?

This is totally flawed "logic". So...if I tip the dealers...they will deal to me at the next tourny I lay 10 grand to play ? If I don't...guess what...they still do. Where is my "good situation"? What level of service can I expect in the future ? Oh...exactly the same. Answer the question. How has he created anything positive. ANYTHING? NO? Did not think so. Let's see your good situation- where is your good situation- ummmmmm...... YOU JUST WON 7.5 MILLION F ING DOLLARS!!!!! There has not been a good argument posted yet for being cheap- I say sound off. Everyone. Just type in cheap or not cheap, and this will be all over. Or you could go with Douche or not Douche. Assclown or not. Get it, got it, good.

Hmmm...so you have no answer to the one part of my post you even bothered to address huh ?Your statement was about Bill Murry creating a positive expectation by leaving a %100 tip. Your answer is that a dude won the tourny he was playing in ? WTF are you talking about ? Creating anything positive was in relation to the tip.Get it..got it..FU

So you answered assclown then. Gotcha. Alright thats one. Anyone else?

[Loismustdie 0]

Oh and by the way- not one person has posted a good argument for being cheap when you just earned 7.5 million dollars for essentialy 6 days of work. Do you know why this is? There is no good argument, all you can say is this is what I would do but it is painfully clear who would be an ass and who would not. There are truly two different types of people in this- one would do something because he or she could, and one type does not really think in those terms. They think only of self. Sad, really sad, and truly idefensible. It is what it is.

[Macint0sh 0]

Leave a tip, no doubt.A winner not tipping is extremely cheap.This reminds me of the opening Reservoir Dogs scene.

Yup, and remember, Mr. Pink was right!