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I think if most people think that the 2 or 3% was fair then....Harrah's should make a statement that they request no player leaves any additional tip besides the one that was taken out. That way a player doesn't feel like a shmuck for not leaving anything. Maybe make it mandatory for no tips to be accepted.
It would also certainly help if they explained exactly how they distributed these deductions too.
I agree and Harry you and probably a fe wmore people on here are best to ask...When you sign up for the WSOP I'm sure you get some kind of paperwork once you're in.. If it said x% will be deducted from the prizepool for dealers tips etc. We not only ask you not to tip because you've already basically tipped we will NOT accept tips. Wouldn't that make you feel a little more comfortable about what is the correct thing to do?For me I wouldn't put too much thought of it before the tournament with 5600 people start. Then once it's over I would feel some pressure from the casino itself when a floorperson asks me if I would like to leave anything extra. Once he'she ask that question I would feel like a dirt bag if I didn't. I'm one of those that tips too much if anything. But if the staff said "NicksDad the tip money has already been taken out we won't allow you to leave any more". I 'd feel much better about the whole thing.
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To the dealers - You don't honestly believe that you deserve $1 or $2 above and beyond your base pay for dealing a single hand of cards? Is your base pay _that_ low? If you expect someone to tip on every hand that you deal, that's asking for way too much. You'd be making something completely absurd for the level of skill and effort required for a job like that.I mean, i know waiters expect 15%, but they also do a lot more work for that 15% than a dealer does for a single hand of cards, and their base salary is often well below minimum wage. At low stakes tables, a dollar or two tip per a hand won can often make the difference between being a winning player and being a losing player.
Hmmm ....What does a dealer make as a salary? I'm sure somebody has to know that. In cash games I regulary tip the dealer maybe not every time I take a pot but often enough. And certainly every time he or she deals me my one outer on the river.
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[Hmmm ....What does a dealer make as a salary? I'm sure somebody has to know that. In cash games I regulary tip the dealer maybe not every time I take a pot but often enough. And certainly every time he or she deals me my one outer on the river.
I'm going to take a wild guess at this and say that dealers in cash games make around $100 to $130 per day including tips and would bet that this is not too far off the mark.
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so, you just won the WSOP? kick some back to those who made it happen, regardless of how much was taken out beforehand.
What if you didn't win...what if you came in second for 4.5 mill ? Should he leave 1% too ? How about the whole final table ? They all made more than a million. Huh ?The final 9 players recieved $22,950,000...should they have added another 2.3 mil to the tip pool ? If not...why not if you think you need to tip extra. That would be roughly 3.6 million tip off a 56 million prize pool or around 6.4%. Oh...that sounds fair. :roll:
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I'm up 7.5 for 6 days work!! Thank the lord, my lucky stars, the dealer that presided over the 9 that gave me trips when I needed it, thank whoever- Here is big ass tip!!
You know, every one of your arguments has been written with the same premise... That somehow the dealers have some influence over the cards you were dealt, and that they therefore have some right to be tipped for their part in your win.And I won't even get into the Karma thing.Sorry, but this is completely ridiculous! The dealer shuffled the cards and dealt them out in the manner they are mandated to. It's pure luck as to what cards you get and what cards fall on the table. Why do you keep claiming that the dealers are somehow responsible for that? Hell, I could have dealt the cards at the WSOP. It would have taken me a little longer to shuffle them, but otherwise I could have handled the job. It's not brain surgery we're talking about here. You know, speaking of brain surgery, here's a thought. You want to talk about tipping...This guy won $7.4 mil and you expect the dealers (who already got a nice chunk of that money) to get more from the guy. OK.Say you went into the hospital and you had a brain tumor that would kill you if not removed. The surgeon removes it and you fully recover, basically "winning" your life back because of this guy. You paid the hospital's going rate for the surgery, and I'm sure you're very greatful to the surgeon for providing you with this service. Do you tip him? If not, why? He just gave you something a whole lot more important that $7.5 mil. Do you not tip him because he's already making good money? Was the service you received not exceptional?And before you make the argument that dealers work for tips, think again to the very simple fact that 3% of the total prize pool (about $1.5 mil) was ALREADY taken out for them. So they ALREADY got their tip. What, should the dealers be paid on the same scale as a doctor, just because there was a lot of money involved in the event? That's ridiculous!And, if every person who played in the main event thought the dealers sucked, they still had no choice but to pony up that money for the dealers. Is that fair? They didn't get any say as to whether or not they felt the dealers were deserving of the tip.Here's a simple last question... Since nobody has verified any of the claims (as of yet) that he left only $100 we'll just assume it's true for now. In that case, if he was NOT happy with the service the staff and dealers at the Rio provided, would anyone be calling him a cheapskate for not leaving any ADDITIONAL tip for them? Do you know what his feelings were toward the staff? Until you do, don't assume this guy was a cheapskate.
You do not have to tip. Period. But, I would because of the idea that what goes around comes around. I am always loking for ways to make someones day. You do not have to do this- you would do well to but you don't have to. Argue all you want to you cannot refute that my way does nothing but good, leaves a bad taste in no ones mouth. Your way is questionable at best.
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[Hmmm ....What does a dealer make as a salary? I'm sure somebody has to know that. In cash games I regulary tip the dealer maybe not every time I take a pot but often enough. And certainly every time he or she deals me my one outer on the river.
I'm going to take a wild guess at this and say that dealers in cash games make around $100 to $130 per day including tips and would bet that this is not too far off the mark.
That seems to be about right
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I clicked on no tip just because the tip was included....another thing to look at here is that dealers make more than min wage....the reason you tip a waitress is because 90% are only making 2.13 per hr...they are working just for tips because that 2.13 an hr usually covers their taxes. If dealers only worked for tips then I would tip them more. I do usually tip a dealer when he time is up if he was friendly, talkative, didn't make mistakes, and was just all around pleasant. You shouldn't tip just because you hit a nice run. As for winning the big one and not tipping..thats fine..but if it were me I would of searched out the dealers that I thought deserved a tip and gave them a nice envelope of cash.Somebody wrote that they hated restaurants that made it manditory to tip atleast like say 15%. Well my wife is a waitress and her restaurant doesn't do that which really sucks because you get some doucheclown family that comes in ( 8 or more is usually when most restaurants require a 15% tip) and racks up the bill to 150 and leaves a 10 dollar tip..now you haven't served any table but theirs for like two hours and you only made 10 bucks...thats why most restaurants do that and the ones that don't like my wife's...well they suck ass.

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[Hmmm ....What does a dealer make as a salary? I'm sure somebody has to know that. In cash games I regulary tip the dealer maybe not every time I take a pot but often enough. And certainly every time he or she deals me my one outer on the river.
I'm going to take a wild guess at this and say that dealers in cash games make around $100 to $130 per day including tips and would bet that this is not too far off the mark.
I make about 120-130 on the weekdays and 150-165 on the weekends.I deal in a decent sized room in vegas. thats tokes, not counting my wage(5.15 per)not bellagio or mirage
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[Hmmm ....What does a dealer make as a salary? I'm sure somebody has to know that. In cash games I regulary tip the dealer maybe not every time I take a pot but often enough. And certainly every time he or she deals me my one outer on the river.
I'm going to take a wild guess at this and say that dealers in cash games make around $100 to $130 per day including tips and would bet that this is not too far off the mark.
I make about 120-130 on the weekdays and 150-165 on the weekends.I deal in a decent sized room in vegas. thats tokes, not counting my wage(5.15 per)not bellagio or mirage
Gee that could be worse. Not bad at all. And certainly not the least fun job one could have either.
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If every dealer got $5000 for the 10 day main event then i want to know where to sign up and i promise not to complain about tips, if they worked 15hrs a day for 10 days straight (whch i doubt, since even the players got 1 day off) they made an everage of $33/hr, thats pretty nice if you ask me. They got more money for working the other events too i'm sure. $5000 for the event is not THAT absurd, you claim it would be an average of $33 /hour. Which on a flat line rate is true. But in the U.S. the overtime rate is calculated at 1.5X base pay. So considering the fact that they could have had a day off, they made $5000 for 9 x 15 hour days. 135 hours... of which only 72 could be considered normal working hours. Leaving an additional 63 hours at 1.5X. This would make their base rate about 23.39/hr and the OT rate about 35.09/hr. Both fairly well compensated. I think that presuming all of this money or even the vast majority went to dealers is probably off base. I also don't disagree with the right to not leaving a tip, but you should be prepared to be chastised by anyone who has worked in the service industry.

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I make about 120-130 on the weekdays and 150-165 on the weekends.I deal in a decent sized room in vegas. thats tokes, not counting my wage(5.15 per)not bellagio or mirage I have a friend that makes comparable income at a room in Laughlin NV. Lower cost of living elevates his economic level above a higher percentage of the inhabitants of the area.

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I make about 120-130 on the weekdays and 150-165 on the weekends.I deal in a decent sized room in vegas. thats tokes' date=' not counting my wage(5.15 per)not bellagio or mirage[/quote'] I have a friend that makes comparable income at a room in Laughlin NV. Lower cost of living elevates his economic level above a higher percentage of the inhabitants of the area.
I think, if your a good dealer, thats roughly what you will make no matter where you deal. I have dealt in alot of rooms, and it seems to avg. out to about that
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and for the record, I am a poker dealer, and there sre times when I WILL NOT TIP A DEALER. If a dealer does not say thank you when I tip him, I will NEVER tip that dealer again. I suggest you people do the same. I have been dealing for a long time, and have never not said thank you for any toke, whether it be 25 cents or 25.00I will not tip dealers with attitude( not quiet dealers) just dealers who are extremely bossy or rude.getting back to the tourn part, I already said that I would tip about 1% on a huge score, but I would not begrudge a player for not tipping( when the tip was taken out)

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I think two things come in to play here. Obviously the service and competence of the staff matters and I think competence is more important than service. In a tourney it is hard for them to provide "service" but a tourney that is well run, on time, with consistent application of the rules and sound rulings really improves the experience and your overall quality of play. The other thing I take into account (which may not be as obvious) is how often I play in that particular room. I tipped $500 to the tourney managers on a $16k tourney win in a room where I play often. The idea being next time I come in and there is a huge list I am going to get some consideration as well as a better response to requests for table changes etc... In a room I may never play in again I probably would have left about $250.In general I understand why people may not want to tip. But one motto to live by is don't shit where you eat.

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