leaving tips for staff

[PocketZeus 0]

It is really too bad that tipping how become so big over here in North America. Oversea's in many countries it is considered an insult to leave a tip and they will run after you to return it. It is their job to serve you and that is why they get paid. We feel pressured by social norms over here to tip or you are made to feel like a cheapstake. The debate on weather the dealers get paided a good base salary is almost flawed in nature. There hundreds of jobs that pay crap pay and don't get tipped, so show we start tipping them too because they make min wage. I know a ton of people in the service industry who make a ton of money with a high school degree and nothing more. These people are also the same one's who never claim it for taxes, so in the end I probably pay more in taxes because they never claim it (sorry about the vent). Anyways, ever wonder why lotto winners go broke in a matter of years after hitting it big... probably by leaving 75k for fcuking tip!

[John T 0]

I'm not sure if many of you have played or placed in live tournaments, but here is how the tipping works.Each time a dealer moves he signs a card at each new table. This keeps his dealing time for the tournement and the tips are split on a prorated scale based on how much time each dealer put in. If you want a certian dealer to get something extra you have to do it off the books.

[LAPoker 0]

I have always felt that when we are already paying a "service fee" that any tip which is left should be adjusted accordingly. I think that the dealers have gotten a little greedy here, and it is truly sad. After figuring out that the dealers probably recieved a tip of around $3000 each for the main event I for one don't feel sorry for them

[choic 0]

Leave a tip, no doubt.A winner not tipping is extremely cheap.This reminds me of the opening Reservoir Dogs scene.

[LAPoker 0]

Leave a tip, no doubt.A winner not tipping is extremely cheap.This reminds me of the opening Reservoir Dogs scene.

The point is that you have allready tipped. Everyone did, even if they didn't walk away with any cash. So when I loose are the dealers gonna cough up some cash for me.

[HtotheNootch 0]

I've worked service in the past, so I'm probably guilty of the typical service industry overtipping. I read once that bartenders in NYC think there's about $1 million that just gets passed around the city.Be that as it may, if I were to win 7.5 million, I'd throw a little more than $100 dollars. I'd probably go between 25 and 100 grand depending on how the staff handled the week. If I hadn't seen an error, then it would be 100. If the dealers were barely competent I'd go 25. If they were incompetent I'd throw $100 because that's a bigger FU than leaving nothing. My guess is that it would end up around $50,000.

[LAPoker 0]

I've worked service in the past, so I'm probably guilty of the typical service industry overtipping. I read once that bartenders in NYC think there's about $1 million that just gets passed around the city.Be that as it may, if I were to win 7.5 million, I'd throw a little more than $100 dollars. I'd probably go between 25 and 100 grand depending on how the staff handled the week. If I hadn't seen an error, then it would be 100. If the dealers were barely competent I'd go 25. If they were incompetent I'd throw $100 because that's a bigger FU than leaving nothing. My guess is that it would end up around $50,000.

YOUR MISSING THE POINT, THEY ALLREADY RECIEVED ALMOST 300K

[Loismustdie 0]

To the dealers - You don't honestly believe that you deserve $1 or $2 above and beyond your base pay for dealing a single hand of cards? Is your base pay _that_ low? If you expect someone to tip on every hand that you deal, that's asking for way too much. You'd be making something completely absurd for the level of skill and effort required for a job like that.I mean, i know waiters expect 15%, but they also do a lot more work for that 15% than a dealer does for a single hand of cards, and their base salary is often well below minimum wage. At low stakes tables, a dollar or two tip per a hand won can often make the difference between being a winning player and being a losing player.

No. I expect twenty percent every table every time, and I deliver the service to deserve it. I have repeat guests that leave me well over that on a weekly basis, and I take care of them better than other guests- they get better attention and even better service then the great service I provide to everyone else. So, to anyone saying that they do not like it when dealers do not treat them the same as people who tip them you should expect nothing less than just that. Your making a point to say F.U. why should they not do the same? All that being said I already stated where I stood with this 100 dollar issue. Here is a little story- On the set of Rushmore Bill Murray took members of the cast out to dinner, and it was a generally new crop of stars.( Jason Schwartzman and company.) Bill left a 100% tip and explained why as he did it and advocated they do the same at all times. He said think about it as press- this server will tell his friends and it will get around. They will see your movie and who knows how many other people based just on this one gesture- which you can more than afford anyway. They will also see your next movie- and the next- and you have created a situation that is only positive. Can anyone tell me how this created a good situation for this guy, except for he has more money than he would if he had?

[HtotheNootch 0]

I've worked service in the past, so I'm probably guilty of the typical service industry overtipping. I read once that bartenders in NYC think there's about $1 million that just gets passed around the city.Be that as it may, if I were to win 7.5 million, I'd throw a little more than $100 dollars. I'd probably go between 25 and 100 grand depending on how the staff handled the week. If I hadn't seen an error, then it would be 100. If the dealers were barely competent I'd go 25. If they were incompetent I'd throw $100 because that's a bigger FU than leaving nothing. My guess is that it would end up around $50,000.

YOUR MISSING THE POINT, THEY ALLREADY RECIEVED ALMOST 300K

No I didn't. I said what I would personally do. I've been "on the other side of the rail" (bar industry), and my own opinions are based on that. I think leaving $100 when you've won 7.5 million is an FU. That's my opinion. It can't be wrong - because it's a PERSONAL OPINION (you opened the shouting).I might think someone's cheap for leaving less, but I won't insult them publicly because it really is a personal thing.Years ago, I dated an English girl who lived in England. She was shocked by who, what, when, and where I tipped. They have a different culture of tipping. That's why I'll give the guy a pass. It might be different in Australia. Despite what most Americans would think, not everybody thinks like an American.

[Tritz 0]

Depends on a lot of things....When the prize pool is $1000 and the winner getsmaybe 5 or 6 hundred, nah.When the winner takes home 7 plus MILLION...I would think a couple of grand would prettymuch be mandatory.

3% of 7.5m is about $225,000........throwing a few grand on that is insulting.

[PokerDealer2005 0]

The point I was making the entire time was that the 3% was NOT WHAT HE LEFT....that was taken from EVERYONE.....what HE HIMSELF left was $100, and that is why I called him a CHEAPSKATE.

[justinv29 0]

To the dealers - You don't honestly believe that you deserve $1 or $2 above and beyond your base pay for dealing a single hand of cards? Is your base pay _that_ low? If you expect someone to tip on every hand that you deal, that's asking for way too much. You'd be making something completely absurd for the level of skill and effort required for a job like that.I mean, i know waiters expect 15%, but they also do a lot more work for that 15% than a dealer does for a single hand of cards, and their base salary is often well below minimum wage. At low stakes tables, a dollar or two tip per a hand won can often make the difference between being a winning player and being a losing player.

No. I expect twenty percent every table every time, and I deliver the service to deserve it. I have repeat guests that leave me well over that on a weekly basis, and I take care of them better than other guests- they get better attention and even better service then the great service I provide to everyone else. So, to anyone saying that they do not like it when dealers do not treat them the same as people who tip them you should expect nothing less than just that. Your making a point to say F.U. why should they not do the same? All that being said I already stated where I stood with this 100 dollar issue. Here is a little story- On the set of Rushmore Bill Murray took members of the cast out to dinner, and it was a generally new crop of stars.( Jason Schwartzman and company.) Bill left a 100% tip and explained why as he did it and advocated they do the same at all times. He said think about it as press- this server will tell his friends and it will get around. They will see your movie and who knows how many other people based just on this one gesture- which you can more than afford anyway. They will also see your next movie- and the next- and you have created a situation that is only positive. Can anyone tell me how this created a good situation for this guy, except for he has more money than he would if he had?

The only problem I see with the comparison between the restaurant industry and poker dealers is that most of the servers at restaurants that I know only make alittle over 2 dollars an hour.......their wages are dependent on tips. I don't know how well dealers get paid in Vegas, but I have known a few dealers from up in the Chicago area, and I know they aren't making only 2 dollars an hour. I think the dealers are just becoming greedy in expecting tips for doing the job they are supposed to do. Also with the 3% already taken out, why would there be any need for an extra tip. As stated before, the dealers made close to 3k each for their time at the WSOP.....I don't see any problem with not leaving a tip. Call me cheap, but thats my opinion.

[SoullesS 0]

To the dealers - You don't honestly believe that you deserve $1 or $2 above and beyond your base pay for dealing a single hand of cards? Is your base pay _that_ low? If you expect someone to tip on every hand that you deal, that's asking for way too much. You'd be making something completely absurd for the level of skill and effort required for a job like that.I mean, i know waiters expect 15%, but they also do a lot more work for that 15% than a dealer does for a single hand of cards, and their base salary is often well below minimum wage. At low stakes tables, a dollar or two tip per a hand won can often make the difference between being a winning player and being a losing player.

No. I expect twenty percent every table every time, and I deliver the service to deserve it. I have repeat guests that leave me well over that on a weekly basis, and I take care of them better than other guests- they get better attention and even better service then the great service I provide to everyone else. So, to anyone saying that they do not like it when dealers do not treat them the same as people who tip them you should expect nothing less than just that. Your making a point to say F.U. why should they not do the same? All that being said I already stated where I stood with this 100 dollar issue. Here is a little story- On the set of Rushmore Bill Murray took members of the cast out to dinner, and it was a generally new crop of stars.( Jason Schwartzman and company.) Bill left a 100% tip and explained why as he did it and advocated they do the same at all times. He said think about it as press- this server will tell his friends and it will get around. They will see your movie and who knows how many other people based just on this one gesture- which you can more than afford anyway. They will also see your next movie- and the next- and you have created a situation that is only positive. Can anyone tell me how this created a good situation for this guy, except for he has more money than he would if he had?

The only problem I see with the comparison between the restaurant industry and poker dealers is that most of the servers at restaurants that I know only make alittle over 2 dollars an hour.......their wages are dependent on tips. I don't know how well dealers get paid in Vegas, but I have known a few dealers from up in the Chicago area, and I know they aren't making only 2 dollars an hour. I think the dealers are just becoming greedy in expecting tips for doing the job they are supposed to do. Also with the 3% already taken out, why would there be any need for an extra tip. As stated before, the dealers made close to 3k each for their time at the WSOP.....I don't see any problem with not leaving a tip. Call me cheap, but thats my opinion.

You're wrong. Dealers make crap for hourly wages.. it's all about the toke. And yes, they held some money out of the pool for "Staff" but how much of that do you think the WSOP dealers ACTUALLY GOT? You're fooling yourself if you think that they gave the dealers 300,000 dollars to split up. The 100 dollar tip was an insult and it spit in the face of all those that tollerated the chaos of the WSOP. How about that poor female dealer who was crying thank to some ass clown belittling her. They have a tough job and they don't get paid nearly enough.Nobody is saying that everyone that cashes should kick in but the winner of a 7.5 million dollar prize damn well better. What a prick. I hope he never wins another poker game again and donks all of his money off to some dealer turned pro.

[pokerplayer24 0]

Tipping has gotten out of hand. At my local casino sitting down at a 1/2 nl table i kept track of the tips over an hr period. Like 35 hands. The dealer was tipped something like 32$. Sure dealers do a good job, but add minimum wage to that and they'd be making 37$ an hr. Is there job that difficult. As far as leaving a tip of 100$. The guy left 100$ more then he had to leave. The dealers were paid very well for dealing the wsop and money was already taken out for tipping. When dealers are dealing in the WSOP they are making there money off of the 3% taken out of the buy ins so its unneccessary to tip.

[Loismustdie 0]

The only problem I see with the comparison between the restaurant industry and poker dealers is that most of the servers at restaurants that I know only make alittle over 2 dollars an hour.......their wages are dependent on tips. I don't know how well dealers get paid in Vegas, but I have known a few dealers from up in the Chicago area, and I know they aren't making only 2 dollars an hour. I think the dealers are just becoming greedy in expecting tips for doing the job they are supposed to do. Also with the 3% already taken out, why would there be any need for an extra tip. As stated before, the dealers made close to 3k each for their time at the WSOP.....I don't see any problem with not leaving a tip. Call me cheap, but thats my opinion. Seriously, I have said it before and I guess I have to say it again- I never compared this situation to a restaurant!!!!! NEVER! Read the posts please before you respond, and calling you cheap would just be pointing out the obvious. All I am advocating is a more generous sense of goodwill and the idea that what goes around comes around. Is that so hard to comprehend?

[SoullesS 0]

Tipping has gotten out of hand. At my local casino sitting down at a 1/2 nl table i kept track of the tips over an hr period. Like 35 hands. The dealer was tipped something like 32$. Sure dealers do a good job, but add minimum wage to that and they'd be making 37$ an hr. Is there job that difficult. As far as leaving a tip of 100$. The guy left 100$ more then he had to leave. The dealers were paid very well for dealing the wsop and money was already taken out for tipping. When dealers are dealing in the WSOP they are making there money off of the 3% taken out of the buy ins so its unneccessary to tip.

You think the dealer keeps that 32 dollars? You are sorely misinformed my friend. It goes into a toke for ALL of the dealers... and on a 1/2 NL table you're looking at $1-2 per hand AT BEST. It's not much money, trust me, I am very good friends with lots of Foxwoods dealers. They don't make squat. Bunch of spoiled internet players is what you all appear to be. It's common courtesy and good poker mojo to tip when you are winning. Regardless of what "their boss pays them already". Unbelievable.

[pokerloser 0]

I have a hard time with the tipping if they have already pulled a nice chunk out for that purpose. I saw some comparisons to resteraunts, but how about this one. We go to a local place every other week with a large group, kids adults etc. 20+ people. They tell us right off that bat that 20% will be added to the bill to cover the tip. We understand that going in and accept it. What we don't do is leave more money for them when we leave. they took the 20% already? why should we? We told a very good waitress one day that if they didn't tack on the 20% she would probably get more out of us for a tip than 20%.I play at the Bike in the Nooner tournaments often, I am not a fan of rebuys but I like the Thursday tourney only $20+10 with $10 rebuys, the pot gets big and for a smaller local tournament you can win 3-4k for first in about 4-5 hours, and they make great tournament practice for cheap.A couple weeks ago I made the money but not the final table, now I was in for the buy-in, a double rebuy and a double add-on at the end. $70 total. I cashed for $60 still lost $10 overall. When I went to the table to get my measly 60 bucks. She tapped the glass jar next to her and said "if you want to leave a tip for the dealers, just drop it in here". I was like "Take it from the final table people, I still lost money" Now I like these people and they know me, so I still threw in 5 bucks. but for a $60 win she should have not begged for a tip.If they pull money from the pile for this purpose, than keep your winnings.

[cuddlemonkey 0]

I have a hard time with the tipping if they have already pulled a nice chunk out for that purpose. I saw some comparisons to resteraunts, but how about this one. We go to a local place every other week with a large group, kids adults etc. 20+ people. They tell us right off that bat that 20% will be added to the bill to cover the tip. We understand that going in and accept it. What we don't do is leave more money for them when we leave. they took the 20% already? why should we? We told a very good waitress one day that if they didn't tack on the 20% she would probably get more out of us for a tip than 20%.

Maybe it's just me, but that's kind of a dick move. "Sorry, honey... you deserve more, but someone already took 20% out for you." Your hands weren't tied there. If the service was that excellent, then why not toss her a little something extra?

[Abbaddabba 0]

There's nothing more pathetic than a dealer explaining to players why they owe them charity.If you entered the "card dealing" industry with the expectation that people would dish out a tip on every pot that they took down, you need to rethink what a tip is. You should be fortunate that people are as willing to tip as they are on account of their own guilt and insecurities. Believe me, the vast majority of tips that you get as a dealer won't be because people legitimately feel that you've earned it; it's because they dont want to stand out as a cheap skate. If you rely on tips for a living wage and people aren't tipping as well as you had hoped, maybe you should rethink your career choice, instead of blaming people for not giving gratuities for providing a service that they're already paying for in the form of a rake.Do you know WHY your base wages at the casino are low? Because people tip so excessively. When people tip, the employers can afford to offer lower wages and still have people fill the jobs. If the average tip combined with your base wage wasn't worth your time, you would be inclined to leave your job, as would other dealers in your position. If that were the case, you would start seeing a decrease in the supply of dealers and casinos would be forced to increase the base wage in order to attract dealers back to the occupation. Your marginal product is essentially what decides what your wage is. If you think you're worth more than what you're earning in terms of after-tip income, then FIND ANOTHER JOB. As the average level of tips goes down, supposing the collective dealership has any dignity and sense of self worth, your career decisions will equilibriate the base wage up such that your total wage will be identical to what it would be with more generous clientelle.To blame individuals for tipping less than what you've come to expect is absurd. It's probably an indication that you're expecting too much in the way of tips. [/b]

[GCP 0]

There's nothing more pathetic than a dealer explaining to players why they owe them charity.If you entered the "card dealing" industry with the expectation that people would dish out a tip on every pot that they took down, you need to rethink what a tip is.  You should be fortunate that people are as willing to tip as they are on account of their own guilt and insecurities.  Believe me, the vast majority of tips that you get as a dealer won't be because people legitimately feel that you've earned it; it's because they dont want to stand out as a cheap skate.  If you rely on tips for a living wage and people aren't tipping as well as you had hoped, maybe you should rethink your career choice, instead of blaming people for not giving gratuities for providing a service that they're already paying for in the form of a rake.Do you know WHY your base wages at the casino are low?  Because people tip so excessively.  When people tip, the employers can afford to offer lower wages and still have people fill the jobs.  If the average tip combined with your base wage wasn't worth your time, you would be inclined to leave your job, as would other dealers in your position.  If that were the case, you would start seeing a decrease in the supply of dealers and casinos would be forced to increase the base wage in order to attract dealers back to the occupation.  Your marginal product is essentially what decides what your wage is.  If you think you're worth more than what you're earning in terms of after-tip income, then FIND ANOTHER JOB.  As the average level of tips goes down, supposing the collective dealership has any dignity and sense of self worth, your career decisions will equilibriate the base wage up such that your total wage will be identical to what it would be with more generous clientelle.To blame individuals for tipping less than what you've come to expect is absurd.  It's probably an indication that you're expecting too much in the way of tips. [/b]

Ridiculous.Find another job if you don't like it? What is this? Justification for your cheapness? Tipping is part of poker. Poker dealers should get tipped and do, by and large, get tipped. If you're not tipping, it's your choice, but you're still a dickhead. I'm not gonna judge you, but I'm sure the dealers will, as they well should.Who besides the cheap ass player should the dealers blame for Chrissakes? Themselves? "Oh drat, if the cards hadn't stuck together between seats 4 and 5, I might have made a dollar off that pot"? No, it's guys like you, Aba, who don't give a damn how they come off or anyone else, for that matter.I'll be honest, when I see someone who knows how we roll in America, intentionally leave an unfair or no tip, I won't say anything, but they lose points in my eyes. It's one of those things that tells a lot about a person.Joseph Hachem is a piece of crap, with crappy facial hair, made up friends (he met them at the WSOP), and no class. To stiff the WSOP staff is the highest of high insults, the stiff of all stiffs.It'd be like Roger Federer winning Wimbeldon, grabbing the mic and going, "**** you England. You suck, Roddick." To me, it's just as bad. Poker is about money, after all, even to the dealers. Money talks. And by leaving a mere $100, Joseph said volumes about his character, or lack thereof.

[Mr Monkey 0]

part of the entry fee went to the dealers. its not as if they arent getting any money. the tip was included. i do think if that guy left $100 it makes him look like ass.

[Canada 0]

If you're not tipping, it's your choice, but you're still a censored. I'm not gonna judge you.

I'll be honest, when I see someone who knows how we roll in America, intentionally leave an unfair or no tip, I won't say anything,...Joseph Hachem is a piece of crap, with crappy facial hair, made up friends (he met them at the WSOP), and no class.  To stiff the WSOP staff is the highest of high insults, the stiff of all stiffs.

I love it when people contradict themselves in posts, but to do it twice in one post earns you the title of tool of the week! Congratulations

[GCP 0]

Hehe. Well, I won't judge you to your face, how's that.

[Canada 0]

Hehe.  Well, I won't judge you to your face, how's that.

lolSo your not cheap - just back-stabbing (sw)

[GreyBeard 0]

Having seen how much of a response the thread on leaving tips at The WSOP generated how about a survey.

Mr. Demetriou: Any chance of getting your opinion on this?