wsop2--5 winner is a cheapskate!

[kapsig08 0]

But, you certainly would see the guy peeling off 15% of 7.5 mil, now would you? But, does 1% sound to skimpy? Hell, that's a measly $750,000.

Laugh.The casino took $3,371,390 total. I think the staff got 33% of this, and the casino got the rest. I THINK that's what happened.So yeah, the tournament staff walked away with a measly $1,123,796.I feel real sorry for them. :(EDIT:

All he had to do was give 1 percent of 1 percent (75,000) and he looks like a magnanimous guy and a very gracious winner. Now I wish someone else would have won. oh well.  

That's two people on the forum that don't know how to calculate 1 percent.1 percent of 1 percent of his winnings would be $750.-fop

thank you for pointing that out about the math, I wanted to but didnt want to sound like the jerk!

[goldenteemaster 0]

Secondly, the USA is one of the few cultures in the world where tipping is the norm. In Australia (where he is from) it is actaully against the law and  house rules to tip dealers and casino workers... perhaps he is unaware of American custom, and in the flood of emotions he went through, assumed the policy to be the same.  

If he did assume the policy was the same he wouldn't have left $100...even that amount would've been against the law. If he actually left a $100, he should be expecting a few "accidentally" flipped cards next year. Pathetic tip :roll:

[goldenteemaster 0]

I think it's incredible how you think he is a low-life for not giving anything to the staff.  

I don't think he's a low-life for not giving anything to the staff, I think he's a cheap prick from leaving $100. Leaving $100 is worse than leaving nothing.

[AceyDeucy 0]

Let's be clear on what he is and isn't:He is not a cheapskate. There is no way he was in a 5,600-person tournament and thought 100 dollars was an adequate tip for the staff, okay? (geez, am I turning into Barbara Yoon all of the sudden?) The $100 came about in one of two ways:A) it's what he had on him (I only mention because that was John Stolzmann's story)B) He wanted to make the point that he did not think the tournament was well-run.If it's B) he's probably a bit of a jerk, but he is totally within his rights. If it's A), he's just an innocent dipshit. But here's the big deal. They pull $3 Million away from the players (in addition to their TV and advertising deals) to run the thing. If that's not enough money to pay for it, they should take more. They should NOT expect the players to reach back, AGAIN to make up the shortfall. When you win a tournament, you are already ahving your prize pool sliced into six ways to Sunday, and I don't think it is appropriate for people to expect you to pull of more.Lastly, it's his money. He can do whatever he wants with it. If you don't like what he did, go win a big tournament and do it your way.

[wisky_VI 0]

I would feel ashamed of myself if I were to throw down a tip of this size: .00133% which is what he did...

I think this is the point, throwing $100 is definetly an insult, leaving nothing would actaully be better IMHO.

[yeffy 0]

But here's the big deal. They pull $3 Million away from the players (in addition to their TV and advertising deals) to run the thing. If that's not enough money to pay for it, they should take more. They should NOT expect the players to reach back, AGAIN to make up the shortfall. When you win a tournament, you are already ahving your prize pool sliced into six ways to Sunday, and I don't think it is appropriate for people to expect you to pull of more.Lastly, it's his money. He can do whatever he wants with it. If you don't like what he did, go win a big tournament and do it your way.

They didn't "pull" anything away from the players. The players signed up to play in a tournament where their buy-in was $9,400 with an entry fee of $600. This was not a secret it was plainly stated for all to read.You are right, he is not expected to do anything. Doing nothing would have been much better in this case. It is absolutely his right to win 7.5 million and hand the staff a $100 bill leaving a .001333% tip, in the same way that it is my right to walk around the streets smeared in my own feces. Both of us would be within our rights, and we both would be shi.t heads.

[Toronto Poker 0]

its his money, let him do what he want, but there is one thing we can all agree on, if andrew black won, the dealers would all be hooked up.

[Loismustdie 0]

Think about e verything else that he is going to benefit from this and then realize precisely why I would hook up the beautiful people that made this happen for me.

What are you talking about? The "beautiful people who made this happen for me"? All they did was organize a tournament (which they got paid handsomely for, by the way) and the dealers dealt the cards. If you won the tournament, how did THEY make that happen? You plopped down your $10k just like everyone else, and the casino got their cut to accomodate you at a table. YOU played your cards and won the tournament.It seems to me that you give the organizers and staff a little too much credit for what has happened there. You speak as if they did it for free.

Creating goodwill and positive Karma. Think about it it will come to you when the pubes start sprouting.

[Loismustdie 0]

The reason tipping exists is because it is a known fact that service industry wages are pathetic and need to be bolstered. Really? T-o I-nsure P-roper S-ervice. Otherwise known as tips. Restaurant wages are not pathetic, the waitstaff is payed a wage and depending on what state it is anywhere from 2.00 to 7.00 an hour plus tips. If anybody actually read my very first post ever I never made a correlation between a restaurant tip and what should be done here. Never said that. All I said is what I WOULD HAVE DONE. Of course that stems from working for tips, because what goes around truly comes around. You guys are truly missing the point here. It is a situation where a person can do two things- he can either reach into his now very deep pockets or he can be an ass. One person earlier mentioned that he had left a tip but took it back after his friends pulled him aside. I can already imagine what was said to make him change his mind.( Dude,dealers already got 2% leaving them more would not be very +EV) Large partys have done this to me as well, when a 15% gratuity is added and a person wants to bump it up to 20% the persons that are usually the broke asses that are not even paying point out that 15% is already added. Sometimes the person paying says, "Yes, but he really took care of us and I would like to leave him 20%." Other times they do the opposite- Which group do you think I personally consider has more class? Seriously, there is alot of money here no doubt- but it is not like that is it for the guy. Think about e verything else that he is going to benefit from this and then realize precisely why I would hook up the beautiful people that made this happen for me.

I have to totally disagree ... TIPS are not To Insure Proper Service ...Tips are a reward for excellent service. It is "your" (not you personally) job To Insure Proper Service. I typically tip very well because I typically get very good service. I ussually tip in the area of 20%, and they don't have to do much to get that. If I get bad service I tip less, rarely none at all, but if I am forced to tip that is all you get unless something extaordinary happens.The service Industry is out of contol at times with tips ... when the cashier at the mall food joint expects a tip things have gone to far ...Enough of a rant flame away

Actually in the earlier days of restaurant dining people tipped before they even ordered. Why? To insure proper service- I just wet myself it feels so good to be right. Out of sheer curiosity what do you think the letters stand for?

[Scanner313 0]

Creating goodwill and positive Karma. Think about it it will come to you when the pubes start sprouting.

You've got to be kidding me! You talk about creating Karma, and then you have the gall to suggest I'm some immature prepubescent kid who doesn't understand reality?Good lord are you delusional! Karma, that's a laugh! To honestly believe that some energy will come back to reward you for good or bad deeds is idiotic! And as far as creating goodwill, how is appeasing a bunch of dealers who already got their cut creating goodwill? Sounds more to me like it's extortion so that they don't go out and bad mouth you for being a cheapskate. It's pure jealousy! They had a part in the process that delivered that money to you, and they feel like they are entitled to some of it. Well, if they wanted a shot at that money then they should have entered the tournament. Simple as that!Honestly, I don't know what the circumstances are around the tip he did or didn't leave. All I've heard about it came from this forum, and there is a lot of crap that gets spread that's not entirely true. But if you think that by giving some of your winnings to the dealers after the tourney is somehow going to create positive Karma then go right ahead. I'll tell you what it's definitely going to produce, less winnings for the work that YOU did. Not the dealers. Oh, but I guess in your mind the mere fact that it was a huge sum of money dictates that he should give some of it away, huh?Not that I care about anything you have to say, but I'm so curious to know why you feel some debt to the dealer? What did they do for you, other than their job, that helped you win the tournament that they deserve to be rewarded for?

[Loismustdie 0]

Creating goodwill and positive Karma. Think about it  it will come to you when the pubes start sprouting.

You've got to be kidding me! You talk about creating Karma, and then you have the gall to suggest I'm some immature prepubescent kid who doesn't understand reality?Good lord are you delusional! Karma, that's a laugh! To honestly believe that some energy will come back to reward you for good or bad deeds is idiotic! And as far as creating goodwill, how is appeasing a bunch of dealers who already got their cut creating goodwill? Sounds more to me like it's extortion so that they don't go out and bad mouth you for being a cheapskate. It's pure jealousy! They had a part in the process that delivered that money to you, and they feel like they are entitled to some of it. Well, if they wanted a shot at that money then they should have entered the tournament. Simple as that!Honestly, I don't know what the circumstances are around the tip he did or didn't leave. All I've heard about it came from this forum, and there is a lot of crap that gets spread that's not entirely true. But if you think that by giving some of your winnings to the dealers after the tourney is somehow going to create positive Karma then go right ahead. I'll tell you what it's definitely going to produce, less winnings for the work that YOU did. Not the dealers. Oh, but I guess in your mind the mere fact that it was a huge sum of money dictates that he should give some of it away, huh?Not that I care about anything you have to say, but I'm so curious to know why you feel some debt to the dealer? What did they do for you, other than their job, that helped you win the tournament that they deserve to be rewarded for?

Everything you just said proved you have no understanding of the ideas that I speak of and champion. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on the pubes thing though. Really, instead of 20 sentences you could have said MINE! MINE! MINE! and you would have essentialy said the same thing.

[Loismustdie 0]

Do you get tingly all over and maybe pop a little wood when your right? I do.

[brian67 0]

Pulling 3 million off the players and then asking the winner to give another sizeable tip is a flaw in the structure. The $100 is still a joke, don't get me wrong. The proportional payout structure is flawed, but to win $7.5 million and then tip $100 is a joke. Possibly the guy is angry at the proportion of the payout he actually recieved, but in that case he should not have signed up for the ME in the first place. Somehow i think that after winning the $7.5 million he couldn't care less how many cards dealers flip over for the rest of his life. I don't condone the $100 tip, but if it was a slap in the face to the tourney staff then well done.

[Epsilon 0]

If a guy wins the lottery for 10 million, is he expected to tip 100k to the gas station attendant who sold him the ticket?

[pokerloser 0]

If a guy wins the lottery for 10 million, is he expected to tip 100k to the gas station attendant who sold him the ticket?

Good point Eps. NO because they ALREADY pull money out to pay the location that sells the winning ticket. hmmm sounds familiar.

[allinbluff35 0]

If a guy wins the lottery for 10 million, is he expected to tip 100k to the gas station attendant who sold him the ticket?

Good point Eps. NO because they ALREADY pull money out to pay the location that sells the winning ticket. hmmm sounds familiar.

quit bringing logic into this

[SilentSnow 1]

this is going to become known as the thread that wouldnt die.after this many posts- who freaking cares? its all been saidif there is a merciful admin out there they will lock this thread or move it to off topic. please!

[Scanner313 0]

Everything you just said proved you have no understanding of the ideas that I speak of and champion. Really, instead of 20 sentences you could have said MINE! MINE! MINE! and you would have essentialy said the same thing.

Hmm, that's interesting. I certainly have no understanding what the end of your first sentence meant, so if you could explain the "and champion" portion that might help. Also, if you think the winner taking home THEIR money, that they just won by beating out 5500 other players to earn is being greedy, especially when nearly $1.8 million was already taken out for the staff, then you're just a fool!Tipping someone for providing a service where they actually have to do something more than sit at a table and toss around a bunch of little pieces of plastic is fine. Waiters/waitresses all deserve the tips they receive (sometimes). Dealers, in my opinion, do not. However, again, since the casinos set their pay to where they rely on those tips, I wouldn't deny them of a tip if I was winning. I used to play blackjack regularly and always tipped the dealers if they were friendly. But it wasn't because they were doing anything exceptional to earn the tip, it's because I knew the tip was a big part of their take home pay, which wasn't huge. I did my part to support them, and so did every one of the people who entered the WSOP events. The dealers didn't make a ton, but why should they? Just because it's money that they are working with? That's ridiculous! that's like saying we should tip bank tellers for cashing our paychecks.Regardless, I'm done with you. You obviously are jealous of people with money who don't spend it frivolously. You won't admit it, but everything you have said in previous posts shows that you're one of those people who are extremely jealous of others good fortune. And when it isn't shared with others (whether they deserve it or not) you think the person is a cheapskate. You better hope that someone close to you doesn't ever win the lottery, because when they don't fork over a nice bit to you for knowing them I'm sure it'll destroy your relationship with them.Adios, asswipe!

[NicksDad1970 0]

Everyone who is defending this guy is a cheap censored and I would love to meet you face to face so I can slap the censored out of you.

mmm real life threats from a bitter dealer. Id love it. where do you deal btw, I want to come sit at your table and laugh at you everytime i win a pot and you have to sit there tipless and smile.

Believe me man, I'm not bitter at all, I tipped well before I was a dealer, just because I appreciate service. I just couldn't believe that people are actually saying if they won 7.4 MILLION dollars they would leave nothing.

why the censored should we? i dont tip a clothing store employee because he or she put on a fake censored smile and gave me a recipt. thats their job. anyway part of the entry fee already went to the dealers.

I'm a little confused. Is your argument that the 2% they split up enough? I don't really agree with that but I can certainly see that side fo the argument. Or are you sayingthat even if they didn't take anything out then you wouldn't tip anything? That's kind of the way I took it since you made referrence to not tipping someone for selling some clothing or something. If that's your argument then I totally disagree. Does that mean you don't tip a server for taking care of you when you go out to eat? IMHO, not tipping someone for selling you a pair of jeans is fine. But not tipping a sever or a dealer is wrong. See it's the industry standard to tip these people. I realize that doesn't mean you have to do it. I also wonder who decides what's the industry standard. But the fact remains that these men and women are working for about 5 dollars an hour plus tips. When I was a black jack dealer I would push someone a large sum of money and then they'd say "I'm still way behind, once I get above even I'll start tipping". I always thought that was BS since I considered myself to be like a waiter. If I provide you with great service and made your stay pleasurable then IMHO I deserve a tip. Of course I never said that. If I was a butt head then I didn't deserve a tip. So when I played every 15-20 minutes I'd bet dollar on them. All this doesn't mean I'm right and so many of you are wrong. Just my opinions.

[pokerboyvn 0]

But, you certainly would see the guy peeling off 15% of 7.5 mil, now would you? But, does 1% sound to skimpy? Hell, that's a measly $750,000.

.01 x 7.5 Million = $75,000.10 x 7.5 Million = $750,000

gah! I am an idiot :oops: This is why I am going to law school people....but his tip still was disgustingly cheap in my opinion my poor, poor math aside.

lol, I don't want a lawyer like you. Guess all lawyers can do is lying j/k

[Olins Dad 0]

If it were me, and I just won 7.5 mil, when they ask me how much tip I want to leave, I ask how much the guy left last year, when they tell me, I double it. I'm a showboat that way. Besides, even after taxes take 40-45% (guess) and your left with your 4million or so, what's $100,000?My guess is that he had a beef with someone associated with the tournament. I mean, come on! $100 tip is like leaving a .10 tip for a $200 dinner, it had to be a statement...or a rumor.

[angler 0]

Mr. Pink and Joe covered this already. :wall:

[Loismustdie 0]

Everything you just said proved you have no understanding of the ideas that I speak of and champion. Really' date=' instead of 20 sentences you could have said MINE! MINE! MINE! and you would have essentialy said the same thing.[/quote']Hmm, that's interesting. I certainly have no understanding what the end of your first sentence meant, so if you could explain the "and champion" portion that might help. Also, if you think the winner taking home THEIR money, that they just won by beating out 5500 other players to earn is being greedy, especially when nearly $1.8 million was already taken out for the staff, then you're just a fool!Tipping someone for providing a service where they actually have to do something more than sit at a table and toss around a bunch of little pieces of plastic is fine. Waiters/waitresses all deserve the tips they receive (sometimes). Dealers, in my opinion, do not. However, again, since the casinos set their pay to where they rely on those tips, I wouldn't deny them of a tip if I was winning. I used to play blackjack regularly and always tipped the dealers if they were friendly. But it wasn't because they were doing anything exceptional to earn the tip, it's because I knew the tip was a big part of their take home pay, which wasn't huge. I did my part to support them, and so did every one of the people who entered the WSOP events. The dealers didn't make a ton, but why should they? Just because it's money that they are working with? That's ridiculous! that's like saying we should tip bank tellers for cashing our paychecks.Regardless, I'm done with you. You obviously are jealous of people with money who don't spend it frivolously. You won't admit it, but everything you have said in previous posts shows that you're one of those people who are extremely jealous of others good fortune. And when it isn't shared with others (whether they deserve it or not) you think the person is a cheapskate. You better hope that someone close to you doesn't ever win the lottery, because when they don't fork over a nice bit to you for knowing them I'm sure it'll destroy your relationship with them.Adios, asswipe![/quote To champion means to speak for a cause, to be an ambassador for it. I have had very good fortune, and actually the opposite is true. I do not begrudge anyone there winnings. I am just not the MINE!!MINE!!MINE!! type that you are. See, it is that easy.One of us is cheap and greedy, one of us is not. This is really to easy.

[Nutcracker 0]

For all those calling this guy a cheap bastard, do you tip your doctors when they do a good job and make you feel better? No? Well, according to the math, these dealers were making a higher hourly pay than most doctors.And it's great that so many want this guy's head without even knowing all the facts. This $100 tip has not been confirmed and someone even said they had heard differently.

[keenlearner 0]

Not that I have anything against the dealers but I think I would have made a big {as in 500k} donation to a national charity on their behalf rather than giving it to them directly.....