biggest mistakes of wsop 2005

[jack24bauer24 0]

to me i didnt go to wsop so i dont know. but one thing i am wonderingHOW DID PHIL IVEY LOSE WITH JJ against KK ?i want to know how the hand went down?chip count blinds stacks position everything.i dont know how he could overplay his JJ i want to know.big mistake if he did overplay them. if he did overplay them i think that is the biggest mistake of wsop 2005 !

in 2003 Ivey was able to finish 10th when earlier in the tourney and short stacked he won a big race with jj to ak and went on a monster rush, but if he'd lost that hand he would have been out. Easy to say you overplay the hand when you lose, but you make a great call with jj and you are worldclass.Go figure.

[Don Giovanni 0]

to me i didnt go to wsop so i dont know. but one thing i am wonderingHOW DID PHIL IVEY LOSE WITH JJ against KK ?i want to know how the hand went down?chip count blinds stacks position everything.i dont know how he could overplay his JJ i want to know.big mistake if he did overplay them. if he did overplay them i think that is the biggest mistake of wsop 2005 !

in 2003 Ivey was able to finish 10th when earlier in the tourney and short stacked he won a big race with jj to ak and went on a monster rush, but if he'd lost that hand he would have been out. Easy to say you overplay the hand when you lose, but you make a great call with jj and you are worldclass.Go figure.

are you trying to say that ivey is not a worldclass player?

[lboarts 0]

Nice post LA, very well said. I was at the wsop in early june. I only played cash games while there, but I thought they were ran smoothly. When I gave them my initials for a certain table, I could see on a monitor exactly where I was in line. The monitors were located on both sides of the podium they used to run the cash games. They may have done some rearranging between when I was there and when you were, though, not sure.

[elkang 0]

All that said, it's not that important to listen to the players. Its much more important to listen to ESPN and thier viewers. The reality is that they are behind the growth and they need to be heard.Now as a focus group of one, what I didn't like. I follow this poker stuff with some regularity and I really wanted to see more big names at the final table. Not sure, how to do that, but I want to watch DN, Count Chocula, the Phils (Ivey and Gordon) and so on. How do they do that?

I have a lot to say about the first paragraph and this forum doesn't give me a adequate medium. Let me just say that you can satisfy ESPN and the players. It's not an either / or situation as it is being treated. And also, ESPN can potentially do more in terms of coverage - just look at FSN's LIVE FullTilt tourney.But, in answer to you last one... they need to cover more tourneys... and then you will see final tables as you like. Let them know that is what you want to see and it can happen. Bellagio is running a $10K tourney now with 20K starting chips - 300 players. How much you wanna bet the final table is all pros? (Btw, Hachem is a pro - he cashed well (1oth?) in an earlier WSOP event - just not known to Americans - just like all the other foreign pros).

[elkang 0]

ABout 20-25% of the dealers were inadequate and should not have been dealing. Nonetheless, Harrah's did a gresat job of actually having enough dealers for the WSOP - this is not an easy feat.However, about 5% of the dealers were absolue donkeys. These are guys slowing up or screwing with hands, decisions and pushes. For a while they were being ostracized by the other dealers.I was present (and have photos) when WSOP winner, Hachem had his pocket aces mistakenly mucked by a dealer on Day 4. He wasn't the only one on that day.Anyway, about 5% of the players in the ME were absolute donkeys too. About 25% I could kill in a home game - lots of juvenile tourney mistakes. The 2nd place guy - really wasn't a great player (admittedly) with a very simple game. I really like him because he is humble and self-aware and didn't rejoice when sucking out though. Someone told me he was pretty bored during most of the final table though! This actuallymatches up with his play style though - I'd be bored too if I had to play final table like that. Good guy.

[LAPoker 0]

Nice post LA, very well said. I was at the wsop in early june. I only played cash games while there, but I thought they were ran smoothly. When I gave them my initials for a certain table, I could see on a monitor exactly where I was in line. The monitors were located on both sides of the podium they used to run the cash games. They may have done some rearranging between when I was there and when you were, though, not sure.

Thats exactly what they should have had. I don't know when it changed, but while I was there you had to stand behind the table that you wanted to play at, then wrestle for the seat once it opened. I was greatful though, as I have been going back and forth between playing tourneys and cash games. Mid way through the main event I realized that the cash games have been F'ing with my tourney strategy. I have decided to go back to playing only tournaments for now.

[jkalib 0]

In my opinion the payout is just one of the items that they bungled. I don't understand how they were able to adjust the payouts so that each player at the final table was paid one million, when the payout structure was clearly defined on there own website, although why should that stop them, just about everything that was printed on the website was incorrect:2. The facilities were grosly inadequate to handle the number of people who would need to use the restroom during breaks. This may seem like a minor detail, but trust me its no fun when you are short stacked facing the blind, and have to take a leak. I litterally ran to the restroom during the last break.

I AGREE - AND THE LENGTH OF THE HALLWAY TO THE CASINO WAS AWFUL. NOT SOMETHING THEY COULD FIX, BUT THE AVERAGE POKER PLAYER DOES NOT HAVE THE STAMINA TO MAKE THAT WALK. OF COURSE - IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM IF I HAD EVER MADE THE DINNER BREAK.

3. Crowd control was a huge issue, esspecially in light of the bathroom problem. Toward the end of each level, they would kick all spectators out, that worked great, except for the fact that the spectators all congrated in the hallway making it impossible to reach the restroom.

AND THEY ALSO WENT TO THE BATHROOM.ALSO - Tourneys need to start on time. They seemed to wait for people to sit down - which just encourages people being late. Ok - so I'm anal.I hate the design on the back of the cards. I always thought someone had flipped their cards face up. I'm a purist. Just play with regular decks for crying out loud.