biggest mistakes of wsop 2005

[Drum Infected 0]

I think the biggest mistake would have to be those poker tables for this years events. The area right where the dealers spread out all the cards before they gather them to start to shuffle; they have the 2005 chip logo embroidered right where seat 5 chips would be. When I was playing in an event I seen that most of the tables, the threads of sting have been already unraveling.whoever thought of that idear.... Big Mistake! I wonder if the person was I bet you'll see the tables on ebay very soon!

[Guest XXEddie]

THAT is the biggest mistake of the WSOP?!?!?!?!?!?!

[JesseW316 0]

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tournament...3&screen=resultThe defense rests.

[Guest XXEddie]

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tournament...p;screen=resultThe defense rests.

and that is........?

[Pupsta 0]

i'd assume payout?

[SuM827 0]

Having so many hold em' events, and getting rid of horse. The F-bomb ruleMistakes in tourney structure. (DN mentioned it in one of his blogs)

[JesseW316 0]

Main event results. It was a jopke.I was referring to amateurs thriving in the main event. Nevermind.

[Drum Infected 0]

THAT is the biggest mistake of the WSOP?!?!?!?!?!?!

Definately one of them.

The defense rests

duh.... I don't get it

[elkang 0]

I think the point is that Hachem won the event due to the biggest mistake of the event.Or at least I was going to post that.I like that guy Steve Dannenmann. Especially, as he was so professional after sucking out on Black and one other player. It takes a great deal of control and maturity to do that. I know that other players could not contain that. He looked genuinely bad that he had sucked out, but also acknowledged that it was poker.But, that immediate call headsup with the A3 - top pair horibble kicker and the OESD. That was pretty bad. It was one of the frst hands for pete's sake. I argue that that was the biggest mistake because it cost him $3.25M.

[elkang 0]

After this the biggest mistake involves the media/charity event.Now, no one else would say this because the event ran smoothly and was a success.However, they missed a tremendous opportunity for huge media exposure and pre-press for the WSOP on ESPN and their properties. I mean, Jennifer Tilly winning her ladies' bracelet hit more households than ANY of the news generated by the WSOP - including the ME winner. That's sad, but true.I've been to and managed charity events and the $10K for charity is a pittance. This event could easily have been a media frenzy and a $100K or $1M prize if they had experienced people running it. Instead, it was an event with 4-6 celebrities, no pros and little exposure. Where were the partnerships with media? Corporate? PR firms and agents? Well managed you would have had people dying to get in. This one event could have generated $1-10M for Harrah's in TV rights and advertising - and set the basis for the expansion of their poker enterprise.This was the biggest unknown mistake of the WSOP. The single worst business mistake they made.

[Golden 2]

The F-Bomb rule and the rules regarding spectators, until they finally started getting rid of them before the breaks.And from the sound of it, a few more bathrooms would help.

[Jdr999 0]

Here is the biggest mistake of the WSOP, in my opinion, the payout for the Main event. First off, let’s look at this year's payouts for the final 18 places compared to last year, and how much higher the payouts are for the 2005 World Series compared to last year. 2005 Change 20041st: $7,500,000 $2,500,000(50%) 1st: $5,000,0002nd: $4,250,000 $750,000 (21.42%) 2nd: $3,500,0003rd: $2,500,000 $ 0 (0%) 3rd: $2,500,0004th: $2,000,000 $500,000 (33%) 4th: $1,500,0005th: $1,750,000 $650,000 (59.09%) 5th: $1,100,0006th: $1,500,000 $700,000 (87.5%) 6th: $800,0007th: $1,300,000 $625,000 (92.59%) 7th: $675,0008th: $1,150,000 $575,000 (100%) 8th: $575,0009th: $1,000,000 $530,000 (112.76%) 9th: $470,00010-12: $600,000 $227,000 (60.85%) 10-12: $373,00013-15: $400,000 $125,000 (45.45%) 13-15: $275,00016-18: $350,000 $175,000 (100%) 16-18: $175,000The payout for this year punishes the third place finisher by not giving them a cent more than 3rd place last year, despite the fact that over 5,500 players are in this tournament, while last year had only 2,576 players. They are in a field twice as large, and get the same amount as 3rd last year, which is very bad planning on the part of Harrah's and who was in charge of the payouts.

[WorkYou 0]

to me i didnt go to wsop so i dont know. but one thing i am wonderingHOW DID PHIL IVEY LOSE WITH JJ against KK ?i want to know how the hand went down?chip count blinds stacks position everything.i dont know how he could overplay his JJ i want to know.big mistake if he did overplay them. if he did overplay them i think that is the biggest mistake of wsop 2005 !

[AC BillP 0]

After this the biggest mistake involves the media/charity event.Now, no one else would say this because the event ran smoothly and was a success.However, they missed a tremendous opportunity for huge media exposure and pre-press for the WSOP on ESPN and their properties. I mean, Jennifer Tilly winning her ladies' bracelet hit more households than ANY of the news generated by the WSOP - including the ME winner. That's sad, but true.I've been to and managed charity events and the $10K for charity is a pittance. This event could easily have been a media frenzy and a $100K or $1M prize if they had experienced people running it. Instead, it was an event with 4-6 celebrities, no pros  and little exposure. Where were the partnerships with media? Corporate? PR firms and agents? Well managed you would have had people dying to get in. This one event could have generated $1-10M for Harrah's in TV rights and advertising - and set the basis for the expansion of their poker enterprise.This was the biggest unknown mistake of the WSOP. The single worst business mistake they made.

Simply said you had a Casino mentality wanting the most heads per square foot running things, instead of a good promoter. Tens of thousands could have been made for some good charity causes-- I mean it's really not that hard to do some good promo deals when Paris Hilton, Jennifer Tilley and a lot of other TV personalitys were already on the Rio premises. They were morons INMO--And what would the TV rights have been for a Professional only $25000 buyin category with $250,000 added?? ALL the pro's were there too afterall.

[greatwhite 0]

Here is the biggest mistake of the WSOP, in my opinion, the payout for the Main event. First off, let’s look at this year's payouts for the final 18 places compared to last year, and how much higher the payouts are for the 2005 World Series compared to last year.          2005      Change           20041st: $7,500,000      $2,500,000(50%)         1st: $5,000,0002nd: $4,250,000     $750,000 (21.42%)     2nd: $3,500,0003rd: $2,500,000      $ 0    (0%)                        3rd: $2,500,0004th: $2,000,000      $500,000 (33%)           4th: $1,500,0005th: $1,750,000      $650,000 (59.09%)     5th: $1,100,0006th: $1,500,000      $700,000 (87.5%)       6th: $800,0007th: $1,300,000      $625,000 (92.59%)     7th: $675,0008th: $1,150,000      $575,000 (100%)          8th: $575,0009th: $1,000,000      $530,000 (112.76%)   9th: $470,00010-12: $600,000     $227,000  (60.85%)    10-12: $373,00013-15: $400,000     $125,000  (45.45%)    13-15: $275,00016-18: $350,000     $175,000  (100%)        16-18: $175,000The payout for this year punishes the third place finisher by not giving them a cent more than 3rd place last year, despite the fact that over 5,500 players are in this tournament, while last year had only 2,576 players. They are in a field twice as large, and get the same amount as 3rd last year, which is very bad planning on the part of Harrah's and who was in charge of the payouts.

I mentioned how stupid this was earlier. I agree that 3rd place should of gotten at least another million. That was such a bad idea. Let's give everyone $2,500. I think people would rather have the higher spots get paid more. At least I know I would. This and the F-bomb rule were both very stupid ideas.

[kfernandez 0]

They'll just recloth the tables.

[elkang 0]

Here is the biggest mistake of the WSOP, in my opinion, the payout for the Main event.

This is actually one the "rightest" things they did this year. There's a great CardPlayer video that Rich Belski did with Jack Effel about this. I may write an article about that as ESPN final table broadcast time approaches. The amount of time that they spent on this is evident with the eloquence and amount of information that Jack and other TDs have regarding the subject. They spoke with pros, Tourney experts and in particular a PhD in this field (whose name slips me at the moment).They made a mistake last year, to Raymer's benefit - and many other players' loss. Simply, put the prize pool this year is the best possible compromise to fairly and equitably distribute the prize pool.

[elkang 0]

After this the biggest mistake involves the media/charity event.Now, no one else would say this because the event ran smoothly and was a success.However, they missed a tremendous opportunity for huge media exposure and pre-press for the WSOP on ESPN and their properties. I mean, Jennifer Tilly winning her ladies' bracelet hit more households than ANY of the news generated by the WSOP - including the ME winner. That's sad, but true.I've been to and managed charity events and the $10K for charity is a pittance. This event could easily have been a media frenzy and a $100K or $1M prize if they had experienced people running it. Instead, it was an event with 4-6 celebrities, no pros  and little exposure. Where were the partnerships with media? Corporate? PR firms and agents? Well managed you would have had people dying to get in. This one event could have generated $1-10M for Harrah's in TV rights and advertising - and set the basis for the expansion of their poker enterprise.This was the biggest unknown mistake of the WSOP. The single worst business mistake they made.

Simply said you had a Casino mentality wanting the most heads per square foot running things, instead of a good promoter. Tens of thousands could have been made for some good charity causes-- I mean it's really not that hard to do some good promo deals when Paris Hilton, Jennifer Tilley and a lot of other TV personalitys were already on the Rio premises. They were morons INMO--And what would the TV rights have been for a Professional only $25000 buyin category with $250,000 added?? ALL the pro's were there too afterall.

I'm sorry I don't understand your point really. Can you clarify? This is a free tourney with the top prize of $10K put up by Harrah's to a charity of the winner's choice with smaller prizes for the final ten. No pros competed in the Media tourney. I don't think their goal was numbers (they had 245 players out of a media pool for over 500) and there were 6 celebs at my count (I sat next to James Woods). It is possible that ESPN owned these rights exclusively - but I'm sure something could have been worked out.

[citystars 0]

dont bitch about some players only getting 2500+there buyin back... most people qualified online for like 2 cents so its all profit

[Jdr999 0]

Here is the biggest mistake of the WSOP, in my opinion, the payout for the Main event.

This is actually one the "rightest" things they did this year. There's a great CardPlayer video that Rich Belski did with Jack Effel about this. I may write an article about that as ESPN final table broadcast time approaches. The amount of time that they spent on this is evident with the eloquence and amount of information that Jack and other TDs have regarding the subject. They spoke with pros, Tourney experts and in particular a PhD in this field (whose name slips me at the moment).They made a mistake last year, to Raymer's benefit - and many other players' loss. Simply, put the prize pool this year is the best possible compromise to fairly and equitably distribute the prize pool.

I'm sorry, but when you have a field that is twice as large as the previous year, and 3rd place gets the same amount as last year, that is a problem. I don't care some professor with a PhD doing the payout, they were wrong on many reasons.First, the gimmick that all players at the final table get a million dollars. Great marketing, but bad for the players.Secondly, the payouts themselves, which were influenced by having all the players at the final table recieving a million dollars. Third place was screwed and the difference between 10th place and 9th place was $400,000, while the difference between 9th and 8th/ 8th and 7th was only $150,000. This makes no sence at all.Yes, I did see the video on Cardplayer, yet I was not impressed with how they came up with the payouts, and that all players at the final table would win $1 million. Lastly, please tell me how they made a mistake last year, which you say benefited Raymer, and how other player's lost out.This year, many people got screwed, notabaly Tex Barch, who finished 3rd and only won $2.5 million when he should of got more.

[elkang 0]

we disagree. I guess I really should write the article. This payout is the best compromise possible. The math and business theory is behind it.But, obviously you are smarter than Harrah's. That's okay.. I make the same claim in a number of areas. I won't discuss this further here unless people start debating how the payout affects final table play.

[Jdr999 0]

we disagree. I guess I really should write the article. This payout is the best compromise possible. The math and business theory is behind it.But, obviously you are smarter than Harrah's. That's okay.. I make the same claim in a number of areas. I won't discuss this further here unless people start debating how the payout affects final table play.

I won't debate you that it effected the final table play, but on a Cardplayer Video Matusow said that the players were very tight with the final ten players becuase of the huge, $400,000 payday jump, and Mike took advantage of this situation.

[LAPoker 0]

In my opinion the payout is just one of the items that they bungled. I don't understand how they were able to adjust the payouts so that each player at the final table was paid one million, when the payout structure was clearly defined on there own website, although why should that stop them, just about everything that was printed on the website was incorrect:1. The levels were listed as two hour levels, only to be changed to 1:40 levels, without any sort of notification. I was unaware of this change until the start of level two.2. The facilities were grosly inadequate to handle the number of people who would need to use the restroom during breaks. This may seem like a minor detail, but trust me its no fun when you are short stacked facing the blind, and have to take a leak. I litterally ran to the restroom during the last break.3. Crowd control was a huge issue, esspecially in light of the bathroom problem. Toward the end of each level, they would kick all spectators out, that worked great, except for the fact that the spectators all congrated in the hallway making it impossible to reach the restroom. 4. NO SMOKING - The hallway outside the tourney room was packed with smokers during the break. I am not normally one to complain, but it was worse than the smog here in LA.5. The start times listed on the website as well as players receipts were incorrect. Even after I had called this to there attention on several occasions, the start time for the main event was not changed on the website. I had notified them of this error at least three weeks before the main event. When we were going to play the $1,000 event the website stated that the event started at 2:00, only to find out that it was supposed to start at 12:00.6. Event staff did not seem to have details as to the structure of the events, probably because tournament directors were constantly changing things. When we were deciding which $1,000 event to play we were told that one event would be a two day event while the other would be a one day event, only to hear from the next staff member that they would both be one day events. 7. The last $1,000 event was changed to 40 minute levels rather than hour levels. In an event which starts with only $1,000 in chips, cutting the levels short is completely unnacceptable in my opinion. From what I understand they took a much higher rake from these events so what exactly are they rushing for, we paid a premium for these events. If they needed the room cleared the next day, they could have played the final table in the new poker room. 9. They should have had someone handling the cash games. I can understand why you would not want to have announcments going on, but they could have at least had a list.Now that I am done complaining, I can talk about some of the things they did do correctly.1. The room was amazing, short of the restroom problem, the facilities were really amazing.2. This is the Rio's first year hosting the event, and facing the huge growth problem they were bound to have some problems.3. The sattalite area was run really well. If you wanted to sit down for a game they had one up and going quicker than an online.4. The dealers were top notch. During the main event in 14 hours our tables dealers did not make one error. As a matter of fact, the one time a dealer forgot to give me change from my ante, he caught the error, because he counted the pot. They all seemed to be extremely carefull, and I hope that the winners tipped accordingly.Things to fix for next year:Have a place where players can go to get the "Official" Information. I would suggest that the tournament directors have this information posted to the webiste. Obviously something needs to be done about the restroom problem, and finding the players a clear path through.They should setup an event before the main event where the pros give autographs, and then have a no autograph policy while players are still in the event. I obviously was not affected by this, but I truly don't know how they do it. It was difficult enough to get back and forth during the breaks, I can only imagine if someone was stopping you every few feet. I usually use breaks as a time to evaluate my position, think about strategy, etc.

[711Buddha 0]

Couple of notes, First the WSOP group did a great job getting facilities that scaled to the number of players they wound up with. That said there are some things they can certainly improve on next year.1. The chairs - There's a reason the dealers all carried stacks of cushions around. That'll be a very expensive fix, and if they don't do it next year, as they replace chairs, getting better ones should be on the roadmap somewhere.2. Tabletops - the embriodery was not a huge problem, but consistently annoying. 3. Cash games should not be staffed by dealers not good enough to deal tourney's. All that said, it's not that important to listen to the players. Its much more important to listen to ESPN and thier viewers. The reality is that they are behind the growth and they need to be heard.Now as a focus group of one, what I didn't like. I follow this poker stuff with some regularity and I really wanted to see more big names at the final table. Not sure, how to do that, but I want to watch DN, Count Chocula, the Phils (Ivey and Gordon) and so on. How do they do that?

[MilesZS 0]

Couple of notes, First the WSOP group did a great job getting facilities that scaled to the number of players they wound up with. That said there are some things they can certainly improve on next year.1. The chairs - There's a reason the dealers all carried stacks of cushions around. That'll be a very expensive fix, and if they don't do it next year, as they replace chairs, getting better ones should be on the roadmap somewhere.2. Tabletops - the embriodery was not a huge problem, but consistently annoying. 3. Cash games should not be staffed by dealers not good enough to deal tourney's. All that said, it's not that important to listen to the players. Its much more important to listen to ESPN and thier viewers. The reality is that they are behind the growth and they need to be heard.Now as a focus group of one, what I didn't like. I follow this poker stuff with some regularity and I really wanted to see more big names at the final table. Not sure, how to do that, but I want to watch DN, Count Chocula, the Phils (Ivey and Gordon) and so on. How do they do that?

Hand out several lucky charms to each pro that the viewers want to see? Slip chips to the pros "Tilt" style? Call Harry Potter and see if he can get you some of that luck potion, Felix Felicia or whatever it's called? I don't know. Good luck.