ivey lost on purpose, why he self-imploded....

[pipes42 0]

Ah, some nice absurd theory from a Ivey supporter. As noted in another thread and by Mike Matusow, Phil didn't play his game by any measure yesterday.--Got involved in huge pots and threw out huge reraises and had to give up on the first 2 losing 2mil in chips in 2hands--put his tournlife at stake with JJ (atleast it wasnt AQ)But, ok, 1st place is 7.5 MIL and Phil was pretty much assured 3MIL (maybe not) but allow me to digress:--with all the action that was on him at Sportsbooks and such, what type of hit do they lose if he wins or makes final table (I know there was a final table bet option also (although odds are much less), from all the combined action on him from online sites and casino's this 7.5mil figure might have been dwarfed. --certain parties start worrying when he is chipleader for some point the day before, he this is like everyone laying future bets on the eagles last year and a week before the SB Tom Brady goes down. But unlike pro sports, pro poker doesn't have as many dollars involved in it and seems here the outcome could be changed by outside forces...--This is why there aren't major sports teams in Vegas... the worry of corruption and integrity and society's overall view of gambling (yes, bad and bold assumptions by me)* Thus we have our evidence that Phil Ivey did not play Phil Ivey poker yesterday, I mean the mouth critiqued him...*And we have possible answers-- 1) His old excuse, the big game (it could of waited until after Sat here) 2) The long days got to him (Ivey is in top shape and focused more than ever) 3) Rick Belsky jinxed him in the Card Player interview (very possible lol) 4) A secret organization approached him with a multi million deal for him to dump off his chips --- hey, MONEY TALKS-- we all know Phil is about money (this is not intended to be taken badly), but for instance he says he wouldn't take tournies seriously in the past b/c he would see the 4/8k game going on and make an effort to either build his chips really quickly or bust (cardplayer feature article, and greenstein's profile of ivey)--therefore, even though the prestige of the WSOP ME is unmatched, 20MIL is > than 7.5MIL ***this could be way off in either direction(does anyone have a clue to the type of figure was at stake if Ivey were to win???)ok, ok, here come some witty criticisms of why I'm way off here, just don't quote the whole thing in the post please b/c thead might be long (uh, people will do it just to spite this last comment)...but hopefully someone has stats about the dollar amount involved in the sportsbook area... and some insight on why this scernario could never happen, or could it and did it???

[fatmanonguitar 0]

retard

[wontbez 0]

Good stuff, I just hope you're wrong.

[budfox427 0]

:shock: or he could have just had a bad day.......

[Patricnz 0]

stop idolizing him so much its not healthy

[pipes42 0]

retard

thanks for the solid input, loland to others,i hope im wrong also, hes my fav. player, and his WSOP title would have been awesome--bad day, maybe, but everyone, even a thread here, states he played very un- Ivey

[JARV 0]

Let me guess were these people that approached him the same ones that assinated JFK and somehow managed to get MJ off those awful charges?- fruitcake

[wontbez 0]

stop idolizing him so much its not healthy

Huh? I assume you're talking to me? I'm not idolizing him at all. I would just hope that this type of thing wouldn't happen. It would be bad for pokers image. Are you saying you hope he's right?

[SFkid 0]

First I don't know if the sportsbook could give phil enough money to make it worth losing.He has said that he would only play tournys that he really wanted to win and that he was'nt playing them for the money..Next if he wanted to play in the big game he would have dumped his chips sooner. not one day before the final table.He just had an off day.

[JARV 0]

excellent analysis SFKid

[Patricnz 0]

stop idolizing him so much its not healthy

Huh? I assume you're talking to me? I'm not idolizing him at all. I would just hope that this type of thing wouldn't happen. It would be bad for pokers image. Are you saying you hope he's right?

i was talking to the OP

[PT0077 0]

Conspiracy Theorists Unite! The WSOP is RIGGED!!! It's all about corporate greed. They should have just played it on Party Poker because that's rigged too. The government owns everything.(SW)

[wontbez 0]

stop idolizing him so much its not healthy

Huh? I assume you're talking to me? I'm not idolizing him at all. I would just hope that this type of thing wouldn't happen. It would be bad for pokers image. Are you saying you hope he's right?

i was talking to the OP

My apologies, but it was an interesting post

[The Czar 0]

From what I understand, Phil Ivey doesn't have off days. By that logic, something else happened yesterday. Reading cardplayer it seemed like he bet and then was reraised and forced to fold almost every time. Not real Ivey-like.

[pipes42 0]

First I don't know if the sportsbook could give phil enough money to make it worth losing.He has said that he would only play tournys that he really wanted to win and that he was'nt playing them for the money..Next if he wanted to play in the big game he would have dumped his chips sooner. not one day before the final table.He just had an off day.

excellent analysis?? not bad, but i never said this (big game cause) was a legit possiblity, said this was done in the past and surely not here,and again off day, PHIL ivey, just hasn't happened, easy to explain it that way, but read what the mouth said about it... wasn't just an off day, was not how he's ever played2nd, he said he would only play if he was playing to win but that was followed by ... "or else it's a waste of money to travel and play"...i know my ivey stuff,but thanks for your input, on of the better responses that actually address the issue...

[Patricnz 0]

stop idolizing him so much its not healthy

Huh? I assume you're talking to me? I'm not idolizing him at all. I would just hope that this type of thing wouldn't happen. It would be bad for pokers image. Are you saying you hope he's right?

i was talking to the OP

My apologies, but it was an interesting post

apology excepted 8)

[booboom 0]

I know the reason why Phil lost yesterday. The OP hit it right on point but nobody commented about it yet. It was that idiot Rich Belsky. Near the end of his cardplayer interview Rich says, "Well I you know what? I hope nobody busts you until at least you get to the final table..." Then Phil interrupts him and says "no no no don't even say that, I don't want to get busted at all, I just want to win this things". Rich Belsky then proceeded to trip over his words like a retard and finally sputtered an idiotic response "exactly, thats what I wanted to hear you say (as if his question was a test for Phil)". By this time though, the damage had already been done. Belsky had already uttered his curse on Phil and I could already sense the poker demons headed in Phil's direction. I felt like punching my screen after I heard him say that. If anything, this thread should not be entittled "Ivey lost on purpose, why he self imploded..." but "if anybody sees Rich Belsky, kick his knees as hard as you can and piss on him while he's whithering in pain". Just my thoughts on the matter. I could be wrong but I doubt it.

[Jeepster80125 0]

I've never been a card-carrying member of the grammar police, but I can't resist. You should accept his apology. I would be offended if you excepted an apology from me.Jsw

[lew189 0]

A few years back, I made a trip to vegas for a bachelor party. On the cab drive to my hotel, I asked the cabby if he had any locks for me. He told me that Wisconsin over UNLV (I believe it was either towards the end of the year, maybe even a shitty bowl game..) was a lock. The game was being played at UNLV and Wisconsin was giving up somewhere around 6 points, as I recall. Anyway, I made the bet and shortly before the game started, the line kept increasing, so a shitload of money was being bet on Wisconsin. Anyway, as expected, Wisconsin held a 10-14 point lead almost all game and was up by more than ten with less than 3 minutes to play. Guess what happened next? The lights went out at the stadium. After about 20 minutes they called the game. It turns out that at least 58 minutes must be played for a wager to be official and they had played just over 57 minutes, so all I got was my money back. You should have seen all of the pissed off people in that sportsbook wearing Wisconsin hats...My question is: With so much money on the line, do you think it's out of the realm of possibility that one or more of the sportsbooks got together to pay somebody $20k or $50k to make sure that those lights went out? I'm usually not a tinfoil hat wearing kind of guy, but I do know that I'll never wager on a game that's being played in Vegas again. Ever...

[CaneBrain 96]

A few years back, I made a trip to vegas for a bachelor party.  On the cab drive to my hotel, I asked the cabby if he had any locks for me.  He told me that Wisconsin over UNLV (I believe it was either towards the end of the year, maybe even a censored bowl game..) was a lock.  The game was being played at UNLV and Wisconsin was giving up somewhere around 6 points, as I recall.  Anyway, I made the bet and shortly before the game started, the line kept increasing, so a censored of money was being bet on Wisconsin.  Anyway, as expected, Wisconsin held a 10-14 point lead almost all game and was up by more than ten with less than 3 minutes to play.  Guess what happened next?  The lights went out at the stadium.  After about 20 minutes they called the game.  It turns out that at least 58 minutes must be played for a wager to be official and they had played just over 57 minutes, so all I got was my money back.  You should have seen all of the censored off people in that sportsbook wearing Wisconsin hats...My question is:  With so much money on the line, do you think it's out of the realm of possibility that one or more of the sportsbooks got together to pay somebody $20k or $50k to make sure that those lights went out?  I'm usually not a tinfoil hat wearing kind of guy, but I do know that I'll never wager on a game that's being played in Vegas again.  Ever...

Conspiracy theories are so fun! My favorite is that Michael Jordan actually left to play baseball in his prime because his gambling problem was much worse than all but a few people realized and so David Stern had him take a sabbatical to baseball for a couple years.

[Guest Anonymous]

Interesting post, but I think its more likely he was on tilt. It's happened to all of us, a personal issue makes us overaggressive at the card table, which is what this sounds like to me. Could have been a bad night at the crap's table from what I've heard of him lately, could have been a fight with his wife, etc. Could have been anything.We will never know, as he seems to keep to himself, nor is it any of our business. Would have been nice to see him win it but oh well.

[greatwhite 0]

Come on? Ivey may not of played his A game, but he wanted this title just as much as anybody. It was very unfortunate his opponent had kings.

[VegasScribs 0]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA The guy about the Wisconsin post!!! Thats AWESOME!!! I go to UNLV (Well did, I graduated now) That Wisconsin game was HILARIOUS!!! The fix was definitley in! I think my entire fraternity along with the rest of the student body bet against us, we KNEW we were going to get murdered. Then all of a sudden the stadium goes dark due to a "power outage"! Absolutley great, one of the funniest moments of my college career. I doubt Ivey through the ME though, it looked like he really wanted it bad. I do agree that he is all about the money though, nothing wrong with that I am too. So I guess you never know whats possible.

[Dhall901 0]

FullTilt got nervous with all the people that had a piece of him. I like Phil, but..I dunno, here is where the line gets blurred. Money/Competition. I know some people that would say to hell with the money he was offered to throw it, and win the event. Or perhaps he just had a bad day, who knows. I'd like to think he's a straight up guy that doesn't let money fade his desire to be the world champion..then again, I'm naive.

[JBradburn6 0]

No way, the bracelet means way more to Ivey than money.