Dahozghe 0 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 I play a lot of poker at home and one of the most annoying thing is the constant shuffling. My friend bought me a auto shuffler to ease my pain but I find the shuffler to be very inconvenient. I need to constantly divide the deck and pull them out of the center tray and divide them again. I find this process very annoying and rather shuffle with my hands. frustrated with the situation, I work to design a shuffler that can shuffle and re-shuffle a deck of cards without any human intervention. With some time and hard work I have finally came up with the design and is currently filing for a patent. In order to make this shuffler satisfy everybody needs, we created a survey to find out what you guys think. To show our appreciation in your participation, we will randomly give a new shuffler to one out of every 50 participants! (Once the product is produced) the following is the link to the survey. http://24.238.222.46/shuffler/index.aspx?gid=FULLCONT Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 It's called advertising ... you should pay for it. Link to post Share on other sites
Dahozghe 0 Posted July 14, 2005 Author Share Posted July 14, 2005 I am actually not advertising any products as there are no products on the market to advertise yet. Just trying to get some feedbacks from my fellow poker peers to get a feel of how everyone feels about the new shuffler design. Please do the survey, it will only take a minute or two. Thanks all of you that have done it!- Dah Link to post Share on other sites
JasonBo 0 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 send me 25 of them for free i give them to tfpl.net here in town then they can give you all the feedback you need Link to post Share on other sites
WaffleMcHat 0 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 send me one of them and i will use it at our poker tournaments and note the feedback from all the players and then get back w/ you. Link to post Share on other sites
gadjet 11 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Send me 50 and I'll sell them and get feedback of how many customers compained... Link to post Share on other sites
Governator 54 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 How quick is it? (I have the original old one shown.. its a piece of trash). Link to post Share on other sites
Dahozghe 0 Posted July 14, 2005 Author Share Posted July 14, 2005 Thanks for everyone that showed interest to test out the shuffler. As for the speed of the shuffler, that's something we're getting feed backs on also. Please let us know what you guys think. Of course the goal is to build it to perform the tast as fast as possible. Thanks agian. Link to post Share on other sites
solo319 0 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 I think this would be a very good product. Myself i can shuffle fine but i have played with many players that cant shuffle to save their lives. The shuffle machines now are a joke Link to post Share on other sites
Dahozghe 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Author Share Posted July 15, 2005 I think this would be a very good product. Myself i can shuffle fine but i have played with many players that cant shuffle to save their lives. The shuffle machines now are a jokeThe shuffler would definitely solve the problem of having some players in the game that are poor shufflers. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerloser 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 http://www.shufflemaster.com/02_products/u...s/shufflers_sd/ Link to post Share on other sites
SapphireTiger 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 the deck shoudl be shuffled more than 3 or 4 times. i believe to achieve total randomness it has to be shuffled 7 times. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerloser 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 the deck shoudl be shuffled more than 3 or 4 times. i believe to achieve total randomness it has to be shuffled 7 times.For mathematicians and statisticians, a pack of cards is randomly mixed when every card is equally likely to be at all positions in the deck. (A pack of 52 cards has 52-factorial possible arrangements, or 52 multiplied by 51 multiplied by 50 ...and so on all the way down to one. This is a large number: 8.065 times 1067.)According to Persi Diaconis, a magician-turned-mathematician at Harvard University (but currently visiting Cornell), shuffling with "riffle" shuffles - that is, cutting the pack and then dropping cards from each side, but not interleaving them perfectly - is highly effective at mixing up cards. After seven shuffles, the pack is close to being random. In contrast, shuffling overhand - that is, dropping little clumps of cards on to the back of the pack - is ridiculously ineffective. The pack will not be random until the procedure has been repeated 2,500 times.Diaconis and Holmes figured out the precise probability that any given card would end up in any given location after one pass through the shuffling machine. Their data showed that the automated shuffler randomized the deck about as well as three riffle shuffles, well short of the seven riffle shuffles needed to get proper mixing. Link to post Share on other sites
Drum Infected 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 I'm interested and this looks promising. I've tried the old ones and they couldn't even shuffle kem or copag cards at all, making them all worthlessIf this new shuffler you made can shuffle Kem and Copag cards, then this shuffler would sell like hotcakes!Have you tested this out on Kem and Copag cards? If so I would definately put something on the box that says that they shuffle plastic cards. Congrats on your new design of shuffler and let me test this baby out! Link to post Share on other sites
SabaAba 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 I have a monthly home tourney of about 40 people plus I go to another one about every month that has about 40 people too. If you send me 4 to use, I can get you feedback, plus I can get you some sales. Link to post Share on other sites
creepy20 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 I believe that another poster already showed that these types of shufflers are already made and patented. The only bad thing is that consumers can't buy them. I believe that the Casino's can't even buy them ..they rent them. I don't believe the OP has developed one...he's just looking for ideas of things that people want to have so he can develop one. I may be wrong but that was the impression I got. Figure out a way to design one like the one that another poster linked too and you'll do just fine...well besides getting sued for copyright infringement.well looks like you might have a design for one..neat box, hope it works and hope you don't get sued...i'll buy one though. Link to post Share on other sites
Insane Hermit 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 A way for it to auto shuffle so we can use two decks at a time. I wouldn't care how long it took to shuffle if it was automatic. take one deck out put next deck in. I did the survey.Hermit Link to post Share on other sites
Jeepster80125 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 It's called advertising ... you should pay for it.Ha. I agree, and there are already too many items like this around. But i give the guy an A for his efforts.J Link to post Share on other sites
Dahozghe 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Author Share Posted July 15, 2005 I agree with most of what you guys said. Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for pokerlooser's interesting info on the shuffle randomness research. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerloser 0 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 I believe that another poster already showed that these types of shufflers are already made and patented. Â The only bad thing is that consumers can't buy them. I believe that the Casino's can't even buy them ..they rent them. Â I don't believe the OP has developed one...he's just looking for ideas of things that people want to have so he can develop one. I may be wrong but that was the impression I got. Â Figure out a way to design one like the one that another poster linked too and you'll do just fine...well besides getting sued for copyright infringement.well looks like you might have a design for one..neat box, hope it works and hope you don't get sued...i'll buy one though.You can actually buy the shufflemaster, I have 2 of them. However cheap is not the word related to these. Dahozghe, as a point of reference for you, let's just say they were more than $400. each. But well worth it once we installed them into the table just like the casinos.Good luck with your idea, a home/cheaper version that can give a true shuffle would be great. We would be happy to review one for you since we can directly compare it to the shufflemaster used in casinos. Link to post Share on other sites
Dahozghe 0 Posted July 16, 2005 Author Share Posted July 16, 2005 Pokerloser, Interesting. I didn't think you could buy a ShuffleMaster for private use. I assume it costed thousands. This new shuffler would definitely not be able to compare directly to professionally used commercial shufflers. Link to post Share on other sites
Drum Infected 0 Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 Dahozghe, do we get to try these out in our home games then or did you just want to get a survey out of us? Link to post Share on other sites
Dahozghe 0 Posted July 16, 2005 Author Share Posted July 16, 2005 Hi Drum, At this point we're trying to fine tune the shuffler based on your feedbacks and have it tested to be ready for the market. Link to post Share on other sites
PokerFan 0 Posted July 16, 2005 Share Posted July 16, 2005 Not sure what the big deal is (NPI), in the casino I play in, they have a auto schuffler built into the table, there is a red and green light to indicate when the deck has been schuffled and in all the time I've played there we/the table has never waited for the deck to be scuffled. Link to post Share on other sites
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