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What about coke...or meth?I know there are people who are so jacked up they can't sit still. I stopped using ages ago, but I can still tell when a person is tweaking. Pupil dialation, pasty color, not to mention the non-stop chatter.I beleive there are numerous pros that are addicts. I suppose it gives them the stamina to go on those crazy benders. There are guys...real degenerates...who will play for 3 or 4 days without sleep. :shock: Remember Stuey Ungar? It was well known that he was a coke and smack addict. But he was also a champion.I am in no way condoning it...but I have certainly experienced moments of extrememly hightenend awareness while under the influence of such a powerful stimulant. I wonder if some people are capable of using that to their advantage at the card table. What do you think? Can being jacked up actually help someone's game?Greg
Whazzzz up wid dis????? I have been known to sit down at the table on a Friday evening after work, and leave the casino on Sunday morning. Have done it three times with the following results up 1500, 2600, 1300.Not bad for a weekends time, no dugs of any sort either. Well a chit load of caffeine was mixed in there, other than that though nothing. This makes me a degenerate how?
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There are often stoned players at my home games.  The only difference that I can discern is not in the quality of their play, but how much they can focus. "Dude, action's on you." "Your deal man." I have to say these things over and over again. It's a little frustrating...
AMEN! I play in one weekly game where 80 percent are stoned. Takes forever. I can't play stoned. I enjoy smoking weed, but I learned I can't make good reads or steal pots when I'm too baked. Not to mention trying to figure out implied odds. If the cards go unlucky and I'm out of the tourney early, then I hit the bong.
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And another thing...If the bowl's being passed around and the action's on them, they'll always opt for the hit rather than keeping things flowing. Well, it keeps the smoking going, but inevitably further disrupts the game when in the process of taking the hit, they'll forget it's their action, bringing me back to my prior complaints. Overall though, it doesn't really bother me...unless the bowl gets spilled on my cards.

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Its the guys who drink and smoke that really screw up the game. :twisted: They always mess the deal up and forget to burn a crad or what have. Of course taking there money is that much easier. I am talking home games of courseI will play $20 S&G's for fun stoned online sometimes and do okay. Mostly cause I get paranoid and play super tight.

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I happen to agree with the one who said that it would probably depend on how harshly one is effected by the doja. While I haven't used since high school (senior in college now), I don't think that I would play near as well if I were baked. While it is a different sensation than being drunk, there are also similar properties, one being lowered inhibitions, which makes things seem like a lot better idea than they really are. Consider it beer goggles for cards in a sense. On the other hand one of my best friends is pretty much stoned 24/7, therefore stoned is normal for him. To him not being stoned may have the same effect on play as one who normally doesn't partake getting ripped. Moving on to the issue of cocaine and meth (synthetic coke). I have never used the stuff and would never touch the stuff, however I have unfortunately seen the effects on some people I know and I believe it to be impossible to make rational decisions while on either one. When someone is tweeking they may not sleep, however the body is still becoming fatiqued as normal. The sleep function is basically on override, and I think everyone will agree that the best decisions are made with a proper rest. Besides, who the hell would enjoy sucking something up their nose? Personally, if I'm going to play I won't drink or touch anything besides the occasional Mt. Dew. I can focus fine without any help. Save the drinking and everything else for after the game. All in all it's a matter of personal choice, but these are just my views. P.S. sorry for the structure of my recent posts. For some reason it won't perform the normal function when i hit enter on the browser i'm using, which happens to be within another program. to wrap it up sorry about the rambling nature of my thoughts in print form. WW

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I always play stoned when I'm playing w/ friends. Otherwise I'd be bored out of my mind. Helps with the A.D.D. It does slow the game down though because usually half of us are stupified. But I don't ever play high against people I don't know. "Get the bong off the table"

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My brother and I used to have a weekly game at our house when we lived together. One weekend we started playing and doing meth with another buddy at about 6 on Friday evening. Players came and went and we kept on playing. At 5AM Sunday morning the 3 of us were still playing. Our buddy said he wanted to keep playing but, we were out of meth. My bother pipes up and says "I've got 3 hits of acid I've been saving." Seemed like a great idea at the time. It wan't........Monday morning at work sucked big time. That was about 17 years ago, since then I've quit doing that garbage. Now I stick to my beer, Capt. Morgan, and a little pot now and then.Anyway to answer the question. I'll play drunk and stoned when it's just my buddies and I in a home game. We usually play very low limit .50-1.00. Can't lose much at those stakes. When I'm playing in a casino I don't drink or smoke at all until I'm done playing for the night. Playing online I'll drink a beer or two but won't smoke cuz I can't smoke in the family room with the kids in there all the time and I don't wanna have to step out to the garage cuz I'm lazy.

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drugs and poker have been debated for a while. Heres my take on it: the effect is highly dependant on the drug: coke, meth, heroin, etc to my mind are all to intense to be anything but detrimental to a poker game. The effects of alcohol are also clearly detrimental; inhibitions, decision making skills, these are both critical to poker and it is scientific fact that alcohol is harmful to these areas of thinking. The effects of pot, however, are more debatable. The high from marijuana varies greatly from person to person. for the occasional smoker, the high is probably to intense for them to concentrate well on poker. for a regular smoker such as myself, i am used to functioning in this state of mind. I find there are benefits as well as drawbacks to playing stoned. The drawbacks have been mentioned; lack of attention, slower thought processes. but limit, my bread and butter game, has become somewhat autonomous for me in terms of decision making. The games im playing are filled with horrible players, making obvious moves, and rarely do i have interesting decisions to make. Its become a grind. a profitable grind, but a grind. I play way less hands than is average for this game, and find myself getting impatient when my cards are cold (which lately has been often, but thats another subject). Smoking a bowl every hour or so helps me because i become much more easily distracted. I wont get high for the first few hours of a session until i can get a good read on everyone, but then being high allows me to enjoy the pointless shiite they put on the tvs without sound, or to find amusing the stupid conversations people try to engage me in about how Q8o is the best hand (two flushes and a three gap straight draw!). But i only like ot get buzzed, not STONED. stoned is bad. buzzed is good. weed has a calming effect on me and i often get into a 'zone' as well.

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Maybe someone could host a separate online tournament for the stoners. How about next Friday at, say, 4:20?
great idea. i don't mean the time but a stoner tournament. is there any possbility of that happening?
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wtf does everyone on this forum smoke pot??? haha
A person who smokes regularly is more likely to be click on and respond to a post entitled "stoner players". Worked for me I mean...I wouldn't play any kind of serious poker while drunk or stoned. $5 or $10 no limit home tourneys are great for playing while drunk though. The simple fact is that drinking and smoking both impair your judgement. You may think that you're playing at your best, but you're not. You may think that someone hit a lucky card to beat you on a hand instead of realizing that they made a profitable play and that you should've seen their draw. You can play decently while drunk/high but the fact is that your play will definitely diminish in some fashion. It's similar to driving, you always think that you're driving better then you really are. When I won a pretty decent satellite on Party Poker, the tourney was at 8pm on a Saturday...I was the only one in my entire fraternity who wasn't in some way inebriated at that time. When I busted out, of course, I remedied that.
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i play alotta live games here on campus, and some of the people insist on getting stoned before the game.... they dont usually do well. i kinda think they dont do too well when they arent high either. Alotta times when im online playing, people brag about how high they are as well. I know that some of these people are lying to get action, but some of them have to be telling the truth.just out of raw curiosity.... do u guys ever get high before playing, and if so, do you think it helps your game?i, personally havent done any drugs since i was like 16, so i dont really know if it makes a difference to play high.wonder if any of the big game players like to get baked before they play?
The good thing about played stoned is you will never be bluffed :D
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Its got to be somewhat relative to tolerance. Never really having developed a tolerance for it, I havent' found any type of activity that weed enhances my performance at except demolishing munchies.Alcohol and serious gaming is just begging for it. To a certain point I want em at my table.Don't know about meth, but from what I've read about it says under the influence the user excels at repetitive tasks, but struggles to learn new concepts.Cocaine is actually probably the only one that would increase ones performance and awareness. In the short run. Long term EV is terrible.

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it definitely has to do with each individual player. from my experience, certain players to play a lot better when high. they loosen up and become harder to read. other people try to make the huge bluff on the wrong hand and end their tournaments quickly. i smoke when i play online and at home games and i don't feel it hurts my game.

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A popular belief on college campuses around the country is State Dependant Learning. SDL is the belief that what ever state you are in (sober, stoned, drunk) when you are learning something(poker, philospohy, anatomy, underwater basket weaving) is the state you should be in when you take a test or use that information. (try to tell that to a rocket scientest) So I would agree that this is true, though is would be hard to learn poker drunk and i wouldn't recommend it, this mostly relates to pot, and my friend's excuses to smoke. If you learned the game high, you're probably a better player high, that is if you remembered how to play the next morning.

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Guy next to me was soooo hammered, he kept telling me his cards. And when he had a pocket pair, ANY pocket pair, he would yell "POCKET ROCKETS!" for the whole room to hear. He was asked to leave soon after because he kept falling asleep when action was on him... Hey, small world. What was I wearing that night anyway, it's a blurr...
This really gave me a good laugh for some reason..... :D thanks.
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