10 10 under the gun

[Pupsta 0]

the smart move was probably to not raise UTG. late in a tournament if you raise pre-flop you pretty much have to be prepared to move the rest of your chips in when someone reraises all in. i tend to think that if the hand isn't good enough to bet all of your chips, it isn't good enough to raise.

TT isn't good enough to allin late in a tourney? raising here is perfectly fine...what do you suggest, limp/fold? weak weak weak. as i said before, the button can reasonably have 2 hands that we're 4:1 behind (assuming he'd smoothcall AA/KK, which would be the correct play), 3 hands (possibly more depending how much he values his pp) that we're dominating 4:1, the rest we're either flipping against or we're dominating (AT isn't out of the question). 31500 pot, 15500 to call, so getting more than 2:1 isn't good enough to take a probable coinflip there?

[Mr Monkey 0]

if your are going to raise with 10-10 UTG u should be ready to call an allin from a shorter stack. the blinds were getting up to where if anyone played a pot after a raise their was a high chance they would just move all in. people are going to start pushing with high cards. you are going to have to win a race or 2. if u dont call here u may be the one pushing with high cards after a couple more orbits.

[LongOdds 0]

I dont like the raise UTG with 10/10. I think its a limp situation. You cant raise any smaller than you did, because your inviting a push, and you dont want to push yourself because it is too reckless and you might run into a big hand (or allow a small stack with two faces to double through you). I think limp is the only way to go. Not a good spot to be aggressive.Now, once the button reraises, I am his range is a) 99, JJ-AA, B) A10-Ak, and c) on a pure steal (unlikely) with Kxs-Axs. Unless he is a maniac, I only see two holdings I want to be up against (99, A10). Even if he is a donk (AJ, AQ), its a coinflip that you dont want to make. You over extended yourself on the raise, and mathematically this may be close to a call, but I let it go and try to get back my chips in a better spot.

[Guest Anonymous]

the smart move was probably to not raise UTG. late in a tournament if you raise pre-flop you pretty much have to be prepared to move the rest of your chips in when someone reraises all in. i tend to think that if the hand isn't good enough to bet all of your chips, it isn't good enough to raise.

TT isn't good enough to allin late in a tourney? raising here is perfectly fine...what do you suggest, limp/fold? weak weak weak. as i said before, the button can reasonably have 2 hands that we're 4:1 behind (assuming he'd smoothcall AA/KK, which would be the correct play), 3 hands (possibly more depending how much he values his pp) that we're dominating 4:1, the rest we're either flipping against or we're dominating (AT isn't out of the question). 31500 pot, 15500 to call, so getting more than 2:1 isn't good enough to take a probable coinflip there?

your damn right it is.Just seeing how many player here that bash me actually have no poker sense

[Pupsta 0]

the smart move was probably to not raise UTG. late in a tournament if you raise pre-flop you pretty much have to be prepared to move the rest of your chips in when someone reraises all in. i tend to think that if the hand isn't good enough to bet all of your chips, it isn't good enough to raise.

TT isn't good enough to allin late in a tourney? raising here is perfectly fine...what do you suggest, limp/fold? weak weak weak. as i said before, the button can reasonably have 2 hands that we're 4:1 behind (assuming he'd smoothcall AA/KK, which would be the correct play), 3 hands (possibly more depending how much he values his pp) that we're dominating 4:1, the rest we're either flipping against or we're dominating (AT isn't out of the question). 31500 pot, 15500 to call, so getting more than 2:1 isn't good enough to take a probable coinflip there?

your damn right it is.Just seeing how many player here that bash me actually have no poker sense

i still think you're fucking retarded, but i agree with your play here

[Guest Anonymous]

Retarded i am not,i just like to induce a reaction

[Pupsta 0]

I dont like the raise UTG with 10/10. I think its a limp situation. You cant raise any smaller than you did, because your inviting a push, and you dont want to push yourself because it is too reckless and you might run into a big hand (or allow a small stack with two faces to double through you). I think limp is the only way to go. Not a good spot to be aggressive.Now, once the button reraises, I am his range is a) 99, JJ-AA, B) A10-Ak, and c) on a pure steal (unlikely) with Kxs-Axs. Unless he is a maniac, I only see two holdings I want to be up against (99, A10). Even if he is a donk (AJ, AQ), its a coinflip that you dont want to make. You over extended yourself on the raise, and mathematically this may be close to a call, but I let it go and try to get back my chips in a better spot.

so you're advocating a limp/fold utg with a premium hand? also, why must he only have 99 or better to raise on the button, or be a donk for raising AJ or AQ on the button? i didn't realize that the only playable hands at a final table are aces and (if you're feeling lucky) kings...but just limp/fold if an ace comes out!

[DB10-2 0]

the smart move was probably to not raise UTG. late in a tournament if you raise pre-flop you pretty much have to be prepared to move the rest of your chips in when someone reraises all in. i tend to think that if the hand isn't good enough to bet all of your chips, it isn't good enough to raise.

TT isn't good enough to allin late in a tourney? raising here is perfectly fine...what do you suggest, limp/fold? weak weak weak. as i said before, the button can reasonably have 2 hands that we're 4:1 behind (assuming he'd smoothcall AA/KK, which would be the correct play), 3 hands (possibly more depending how much he values his pp) that we're dominating 4:1, the rest we're either flipping against or we're dominating (AT isn't out of the question). 31500 pot, 15500 to call, so getting more than 2:1 isn't good enough to take a probable coinflip there?

your damn right it is.Just seeing how many player here that bash me actually have no poker sense

i still think you're fucking retarded, but i agree with your play here

[Mr Monkey 0]

I dont like the raise UTG with 10/10. I think its a limp situation. You cant raise any smaller than you did, because your inviting a push, and you dont want to push yourself because it is too reckless and you might run into a big hand (or allow a small stack with two faces to double through you). I think limp is the only way to go. Not a good spot to be aggressive.Now, once the button reraises, I am his range is a) 99, JJ-AA, B) A10-Ak, and c) on a pure steal (unlikely) with Kxs-Axs. Unless he is a maniac, I only see two holdings I want to be up against (99, A10). Even if he is a donk (AJ, AQ), its a coinflip that you dont want to make. You over extended yourself on the raise, and mathematically this may be close to a call, but I let it go and try to get back my chips in a better spot.

i think the range of hands the button could have are more then that. he could have a pp 22-88, any A and a range of other hands. i think most of the time you are up against 2 overs and i think u are more likey to be against a smaller pair then a over pair. after raising, and with the blinds and the pot odds you are getting its an easy call IMO

[DB10-2 0]

the smart move was probably to not raise UTG. late in a tournament if you raise pre-flop you pretty much have to be prepared to move the rest of your chips in when someone reraises all in. i tend to think that if the hand isn't good enough to bet all of your chips, it isn't good enough to raise.

TT isn't good enough to allin late in a tourney? raising here is perfectly fine...what do you suggest, limp/fold? weak weak weak. as i said before, the button can reasonably have 2 hands that we're 4:1 behind (assuming he'd smoothcall AA/KK, which would be the correct play), 3 hands (possibly more depending how much he values his pp) that we're dominating 4:1, the rest we're either flipping against or we're dominating (AT isn't out of the question). 31500 pot, 15500 to call, so getting more than 2:1 isn't good enough to take a probable coinflip there?

your damn right it is.Just seeing how many player here that bash me actually have no poker sense

i still think you're fucking retarded, but i agree with your play here

for the record, if i limped and a short stack (esp. an aggressive player already on the BB) pushed all in, i would call. i just don't like the UTG raise on what is still a 10-handed table.

[Chiggleslap 0]

Just remember, if he had smooth-called you, he DEFINITELY would have had AA or KK, so you would've had to open-fold (or open-Farrel) on the flop, unless you flopped a set, of course, in which case you'd have to Condition him check-calling to the river and then laying down your set, which gives him the pot, as well. This is obviously a lose-lose situation. You're going to give him the pot no matter what he has or what you have, so you basically have to weigh the cost-benefit of Conditioning him.

[alf13 0]

Pretty crappy play by all of those involved in the hand...........

[Pupsta 0]

the smart move was probably to not raise UTG. late in a tournament if you raise pre-flop you pretty much have to be prepared to move the rest of your chips in when someone reraises all in. i tend to think that if the hand isn't good enough to bet all of your chips, it isn't good enough to raise.

TT isn't good enough to allin late in a tourney? raising here is perfectly fine...what do you suggest, limp/fold? weak weak weak. as i said before, the button can reasonably have 2 hands that we're 4:1 behind (assuming he'd smoothcall AA/KK, which would be the correct play), 3 hands (possibly more depending how much he values his pp) that we're dominating 4:1, the rest we're either flipping against or we're dominating (AT isn't out of the question). 31500 pot, 15500 to call, so getting more than 2:1 isn't good enough to take a probable coinflip there?

your damn right it is.Just seeing how many player here that bash me actually have no poker sense

i still think you're fucking retarded, but i agree with your play here

for the record, if i limped and a short stack (esp. an aggressive player already on the BB) pushed all in, i would call. i just don't like the UTG raise on what is still a 10-handed table.

ok...how bout this...you limp and it's folded to the bb, who checks. flop Q74. he bets out 1/2 pot....your move?

[Pupsta 0]

Pretty crappy play by all of those involved in the hand...........

so what's the correct move? limp/fold? fold TT UTG to begin with?

[nutonflop 0]

call, refuse to turn your hand over, and then muck when you hit quads vs 22 because you don't want your opponent to know that you'll raise TT UTG.

i'm really getting sick of this AKA crap. i mean it's not like he had two pair but thinks a lower set should lose.

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

I refuse to believe you should limp with pocket 10 from utg. To open a pot with it, it warrants a raise. If you don't raise it, any ace or king rag might hang around on the cheap. Gotta raise it. Or the dreaded big blind special. No way biznitches

[DB10-2 0]

ok...how bout this...you limp and it's folded to the bb, who checks. flop Q74. he bets out 1/2 pot....your move?

let's do the math here. the pot is now $4000 plus antes as opposed to $6500 plus a reraise all in of what, $15500 more?in this situation, you're telling me an aggressive player who didn't raise from the BB leads out another ~$3000 for a pot of $9000? he doesn't have a queen. i am all in, smelling a rat. he knows i have him covered and unless he had 7-4 i'm a favorite to win.i think i see your point, though. without a raise preflop i have no information about his holdings. he could have anything, including q-7, q-4, or 7-4.

[alf13 0]

Pretty crappy play by all of those involved in the hand...........

so what's the correct move? limp/fold? fold TT UTG to begin with?

TT is a good playback hand.....but an awful hand to call allin's with.....a deep stack being a consideration...... especially against another deep stack.......We are talking online here.....and it is very common for online players (especially in MTT's) to protect small pairs by raising under the gun....it is very possible that the button (AJ) knew that he was re-raising knowing that the worst he would be is a coin flip because of how "conditioned" online players are to the common UTG raise with a pair 88 or below....That deep in a MTT, I don't flip coins for my whole stack especially when I am one of the chip leaders....I just don't....and I absolutely do not call off chips knowing that I am in a likely coin flip...especially against an equal stack...I would take liberties with the lesser stacks within reason.....it would have been fine....if he limped with TT and the AJ raised...and then Mr. TT raised allin.....that would be aggressive....pressure poker...As for the AJ....if he was determined to toss all his money in the pot....a stop and go seemed appropriate...as you are likely up against a good hand...take your chances with a favorable flop....I guess I would have limped.....and if raised....I would either playback hard or taken a flop....you got a very good chance to catch an all under flop with your TT and then you might be able call with more complete information if your opponent indeed pushed here....(You might pickup a draw as a backup if you are behind...etc...)Having said all that.....WTF is so wrong with just folding? I would say that the most likely hands my opponent is pushing with puts me at best in a coin flip situation.....and you can always be slaughtered.The UTG raise was bad...if you wanted to play it....limp it...

[Pupsta 0]

ok...how bout this...you limp and it's folded to the bb, who checks. flop Q74. he bets out 1/2 pot....your move?

let's do the math here. the pot is now $4000 plus antes as opposed to $6500 plus a reraise all in of what, $15500 more?in this situation, you're telling me an aggressive player who didn't raise from the BB leads out another ~$3000 for a pot of $9000? he doesn't have a queen. i am all in, smelling a rat. he knows i have him covered and unless he had 7-4 i'm a favorite to win.i think i see your point, though. without a raise preflop i have no information about his holdings. he could have anything, including q-7, q-4, or 7-4.

he turns up Q2 and you lose...or what not....don't limp that and allow a bb special to take you down. raise to get information, call the allin.you're behind 4 hands, two of which a raise doesn't make the most sense, and at least a coinflip (with a slight edge in that flip) getting >2:1.

[Pupsta 0]

Pretty crappy play by all of those involved in the hand...........

so what's the correct move? limp/fold? fold TT UTG to begin with?

TT is a good playback hand.....but an awful hand to call allin's with.....a deep stack being a consideration...... especially against another deep stack.......We are talking online here.....and it is very common for online players (especially in MTT's) to protect small pairs by raising under the gun....it is very possible that the button (AJ) knew that he was re-raising knowing that the worst he would be is a coin flip because of how "conditioned" online players are to the common UTG raise with a pair 88 or below....That deep in a MTT, I don't flip coins for my whole stack especially when I am one of the chip leaders....I just don't....and I absolutely do not call off chips knowing that I am in a likely coin flip...especially against an equal stack...I would take liberties with the lesser stacks within reason.....it would have been fine....if he limped with TT and the AJ raised...and then Mr. TT raised allin.....that would be aggressive....pressure poker...As for the AJ....if he was determined to toss all his money in the pot....a stop and go seemed appropriate...as you are likely up against a good hand...take your chances with a favorable flop....I guess I would have limped.....and if raised....I would either playback hard or taken a flop....you got a very good chance to catch an all under flop with your TT and then you might be able call with more complete information if your opponent indeed pushed here....(You might pickup a draw as a backup if you are behind...etc...)Having said all that.....WTF is so wrong with just folding? I would say that the most likely hands my opponent is pushing with puts me at best in a coin flip situation.....and you can always be slaughtered.The UTG raise was bad...if you wanted to play it....limp it...

a limp (or fold for that matter) is fine if you're perfectly content being blinded away and getting 5th or 6th...2nd stack at the final table of a tourney doesn't fold the 5th best hand. if you limp, you're giving other people odds to limp into the pot, (which puts you in a big pot out of position, which means pretty much set or fold), or at the very least giving the sb odds to complete if folded around, which means you have to be scared of any of the 4 overcards coming, and would probably have to fold to a J62 flop and a 1/2 pot bet. if you decide to get aggressive on the button raise, you're just giving him better odds to call for a coinflip. stop and go also doesn't work, because the flop could easily miss him but bring an over, giving you NO CLUE where you're at. raise, call the push. anything else is weak.

[alf13 0]

I also like how some of you are working with the premise that YOU HAVE TO PLAY THIS TT...YOU JUST GOT TOO!!!!!!!OMG...I got TT...I ain't never folding this thing!...Come hell or high water....I am playing this hand!!!!

[alf13 0]

raise, call the push. anything else is weak.

Let me guess...you have never folded QQ, JJ, or TT ever preflop in your life.....Am I right?

[Pupsta 0]

I also like how some of you are working with the premise that YOU HAVE TO PLAY THIS TT...YOU JUST GOT TOO!!!!!!!OMG...I got TT...I ain't never folding this thing!...Come hell or high water....I am playing this hand!!!!

yes, you have to play this hand in this position...if you don't believe this, come sit at my tables please.would you be doing the same with AK suited? limp, push back if someone raises? or is that a good time to fold UTG with a premium hand too?

[Pupsta 0]

raise, call the push. anything else is weak.

Let me guess...you have never folded QQ, JJ, or TT ever preflop in your life.....Am I right?

absolutely i have...many times...never utg at the final table 2nd in chips. actually, i've never folded any of those UTG whatsoever.

[DB10-2 0]

ok...how bout this...you limp and it's folded to the bb, who checks. flop Q74. he bets out 1/2 pot....your move?

let's do the math here. the pot is now $4000 plus antes as opposed to $6500 plus a reraise all in of what, $15500 more?in this situation, you're telling me an aggressive player who didn't raise from the BB leads out another ~$3000 for a pot of $9000? he doesn't have a queen. i am all in, smelling a rat. he knows i have him covered and unless he had 7-4 i'm a favorite to win.i think i see your point, though. without a raise preflop i have no information about his holdings. he could have anything, including q-7, q-4, or 7-4.

he turns up Q2 and you lose...or what not....don't limp that and allow a bb special to take you down. raise to get information, call the allin.you're behind 4 hands, two of which a raise doesn't make the most sense, and at least a coinflip (with a slight edge in that flip) getting >2:1.

somebody else posted about TT being a "playback hand" and that's the way i think of it. UTG at a final table...i suppose another good thing about raising UTG is that if you have a certain table image more people are likely to get out of your way. i also wonder if a smaller raise wouldn't be the way to go. he raised between 3.5x-3.25x BB which basically begged someone shortstacked with overcards like AJ to steal or look for a race. maybe a smaller raise from early position would have been better.