john murphy

[Chrisj1616 0]

Dean Called an all in Reraise with Jacks like 5 hands before that one.If Murphy really thought Dean would fold his Jacks he was dead wrong and wasnt paying attention.He made a a horrible play plain and simple tangling with 2nd in chips in 3rd chip position with 13 left, he should have just folded and looked for a better spot. If Dean is calling Huge all in's with marginal All in preflop hands like Jacks he might get trapped later for all his chips if someone has a bigger pair.Murphy didnt need to go broke on this hand he had tons of chips to just fold and keep up his aggressive attackign style

[halvey7 0]

Back to Murphy, here's his video.http://video.cardplayer.com:8080/video/vid...o/061805_07.wmv

[Smasharoo 0]

Is it possible that there wasn't necessarily a right or wrong move here? Nope.He donked it up badly.

[bmwmcoupe 0]

You think callling with js is a good call? best case scenario you are 50-50% with jacks, aks on other hand can dominate alot of hands and he only has to worry about aa,kk

[potpumper43 0]

Smasharoo- I love how you respond to people with your one-line opinions like you are the holy authority on poker. There is room in poker for successful players with a wide variety of styles, many of whom would disagree with your statement about Murphy's play. Try backing up these black and white statements for a change. You are a bag, and I am sure there are many others on this site who agree.Murphy played the AK hand well, Dean made a tough/long call, arguments can be made for either side in this hand.

[Acesgotcracked 0]

Saying he donked it up badly is unfair and ubsurd. It was a gamblers play, he thought he could knock Dean off his hand. Cold calling there would be a terrible play, that would be a donk play because its not as if Deans gonna ship it to you when the flop comes A-8-2 or something along those lines. In all likelhood Murrphy would bet and Dean would fold. Moving all in is playing to win, If Dean folds Murphy takes down a pot which would have contained almost 600K of other peoples chips. And if Dean called and Murphy won what he probably perceived as a race when he moved in he would be very close to Raymer in chips. I think folding is the move if all your looking to do is move up a few spots and get that million dollar pay day, but not if your looking to win the damn thing. Anyone with any intuition could see what was giong to happen at that final table. The only player with enought chips to attempt to bully Raymer was a very inexperienced player who was basically folding every hand and attempting to move up in the move. No one else had the stack to even put much of a dent into Raymer(maybe Arieh, but I think he only had like 3 to Raymers 8 or 9, if i'm wrong on those numbers just say so). If a player like Murphy, Arieh, or maybe even a guy who plays solid poker like Mike McClain entered that final table with close to 5 million like Dean did things might have been different, but with the least aggressive player at the table having all the chips only absurdly bad luck would prevent him from winning.

[Smasharoo 0]

There is room in poker for successful players with a wide variety of styles, many of whom would disagree with your statement about Murphy's play.No successfull tournament player would think that was a good play.No one with a grasp of arithmetic and understainding of NL tournaments would think that was a good play.Mostly the only people who would think it was a good play are closet homosexuals who want to bone Murphy, but just can't come out and say it.Don't know what to tell you. Sucked.You can argue the call with JJ sucked also, diffrent subject. Pushing with AK there is pure amature hour.

[potpumper43 0]

No successfull tournament player would think that was a good play. No one with a grasp of arithmetic and understainding of NL tournaments would think that was a good playThere you go with your absolutes again. Unsurprising. I am sure there are plenty of WPT winners, WSOP bracelet holders, etc. who WOULD think this is a good play. I'd wager that Layne Flach might think that was a good play. Perhaps Gus Hansen might as well. Hell, maybe Hellmuth would. I doubt you know any successful tournament players anyway though. God you piss me off you know it all douche.

[Stylin_Fish 0]

I remember earlier in the tournament when Murphy and Raymer were at the same table raymer had AKsuited and murphy had jacks and raised, then Raymer reraised to 80,000 and Murphy mucked his jacks. Nothing important, I just thought that was interesting.

[Smasharoo 0]

There you go with your absolutes again. Unsurprising. I am sure there are plenty of WPT winners, WSOP bracelet holders, etc. who WOULD think this is a good play. I'd wager that Layne Flach might think that was a good play. Perhaps Gus Hansen might as well. Hell, maybe Hellmuth would. I doubt you know any successful tournament players anyway though. God you censored me off you know it all douche.$1000 says none of them would.We on?Sorry that I know more than you.Must be annoying for you.

[bmwmcoupe 0]

There is room in poker for successful players with a wide variety of styles, many of whom would disagree with your statement about Murphy's play.No successfull tournament player would think that was a good play.No one with a grasp of arithmetic and understainding of NL tournaments would think that was a good play.Mostly the only people who would think it was a good play are closet homosexuals who want to bone Murphy, but just can't come out and say it.Don't know what to tell you.  Sucked.You can argue the call with JJ sucked also, diffrent subject.  Pushing with AK there is pure amature hour.

what would you of done in murphy position? just called the raise?

[pokerboyvn 0]

for a 21 yr old, 3k he cashed out or whatever his bankroll was is more than enough to hang out in vegas and play a couple satellites. negreanu had about 3k when he won his first bracelet. it's not like his goal was to dominate the wsop or anything.You're the one saying he played great.He's no Daniel.The guy finished 13th.  He's a young good looking white kid, good for TV.He's not in the top 200 ournament players in the world.Call me when he maks the final table of a $10,000 buy in event.(Probaly win it the next 5 years running now that I've posted this)

so where the hell was DN when he was 21 huh?

[Chiggleslap 0]

Have you ever heard of the word tact?  My memory may not be great on this particular hand but overall my memory is great. You don't have to be so damned rude to people. But if that's the way you are and don't care about others then so be it.I understand he had more chips than Raymer. But if Raymer calls his all in you don't think that would have really hurt his stack and ability to continue to push people around?What was his hand 3-5h? So if I'm not EXACT then your opinion is I shouldn't be able to speak about it?

He had 2 4

[Smasharoo 0]

what would you of done in murphy position? just called the raise?No idea, I'd have to be there, have a read on Dean, consider how much I liked money, etc.If I hated money, I'd push.

[pokerboyvn 0]

How do u expect to win if u play like a little girl? He played aggressive and was trying to win. Judging from the way he played he is a protype for successful NL play. Not putting your chips at risk will get you to the rail on the bubble, and will not win you the WSOP. THink Raymer vs. Matusow when MAtusow had RAymer covered and RAymer had a flush draw w/ 2 overs. Had alot of outs but still put his whole tournament on the line on a draw. WHere is he now? Oh yeah world champ.You're not allowed to talk about NL tournament poker any more untill you have a vague understading of it/

and what do you know? enlighten me

[Smasharoo 0]

and what do you know? enlighten meThat you're rhetorical skill are stunningly poor.Among other things.

[livingsign 0]

I think we all agree that calling w/the AK is bad. Without knowing the exact bets, I think that folding is an okay play depending on your range of hands for Dean. This is just math, right? What is your range of hands for Dean? If it's AA, KK, QQ, JJ or AK, then folding is defendable, although it may not make since mathematically. I know that you are going to tell me that certain tourney situations call for disregarding the math. But I disagree, and I think deep down you know that this is incorrect. Also, I think that he has some folding equity agaist Dean w/JJ or QQ (as I recall Dean thought for some time before calling), which adds to the overall profitability of pushing. If you are going to continue to call the move-in a poor play, I think you need to back it up w/something mathematical. Keep calling Murphy a donkey if you wish, but realize that it sounds silly w/o at least some argument to back it up.

[btlee 0]

and what do you know? enlighten meThat you're rhetorical skill are stunningly poor.Among other things.

that your rhetorical skills are...or that your rhetorical skill is.....Big fan of smash, but sorry couldn't help it. and besides I think raymer is the best player ever too, He has to be if he won the title right (BIG HUGE SW)

[illbill21 0]

yet again.. the same people are back to the same discussions.this whole thing about john comes about a few good moves he made against fellow bluffers.. who, not to mention thanfully for him didnt have a pair or two to back it up with.. because he got very luck in that his wild all-in's after huge re-raises didnt cost him the tournament earlier on.when you get to that point in the tournament he was at, and you have AK vs. JJ.. yea the other guy has the made hand. but you have two overcards, 6 outs, the other guy has two outs, and you also have the better flush draw.. and if he wins that hand.. hes pretty much set for the next two rounds of blinds AT LEAST without having to play a single hand.the guy had been making good reads, maybe his head blew up and he gave his hand too much credit.. but one thing is for sure.. i hope he doesnt end up like all the "lucky" players and disappear.

[Chiggleslap 0]

and what do you know? enlighten meThat you're rhetorical skill are stunningly poor.Among other things.

BORING.

[potpumper43 0]

$1000 says none of them would.We on?Sorry that I know more than you.Must be annoying for you.

You don't know me or my poker history, level of play, anything. In fact, from reading many of your posts over tha last few months, you come off as a know it all clown. I doubt you can back up anything you claim. You're the king of the micro limits right? Keep having fun pretending to be a success. You are one of many in this world who think they are smarter than anyone else. Wake up, there are millions of very intelligent people in the world besides yourself, and I am giving you credit there though why I don't know. You contribute nothing to this forum but tired one liners. Creep out of your basement. Your kitty needs fed and Mommy is tired of picking up the slack. GL to ya bag.

[Chiggleslap 0]

what would you of done in murphy position? just called the raise?No idea, I'd have to be there, have a read on Dean, consider how much I liked money, etc.If I hated money, I'd push.

BORING.

[Chiggleslap 0]

I think smash is extra drunk tonight...

[Smasharoo 0]

I think we all agree that calling w/the AK is bad.Vastly better then moving in.Not close.Without knowing the exact bets, I think that folding is an okay play depending on your range of hands for Dean. This is just math, right? What is your range of hands for Dean? If it's AA, KK, QQ, JJ or AK, then folding is defendable, although it may not make since mathematically. I know that you are going to tell me that certain tourney situations call for disregarding the math. But I disagree, and I think deep down you know that this is incorrect.Certain tourney situations onvolve more complex mathmatical decisions than simple equity calculations.I think deep down you don't understand this yet, but will come to someday.Also, I think that he has some folding equity agaist Dean w/JJ or QQ (as I recall Dean thought for some time before calling), which adds to the overall profitability of pushing.Of course he does. He has folding equity against a lot of hands. Unfortunately, the ones that call him are all either coinflips or have him oblitterated.He was lucky it was a coinflip. You never in a billion years make this case if Dean flips over AA or KK.That's ok though, you're not there yet, the result is coloring your oppinion of the play.If you are going to continue to call the move-in a poor play, I think you need to back it up w/something mathematical. Keep calling Murphy a donkey if you wish, but realize that it sounds silly w/o at least some argument to back it up.The play is indefensible mathmatically considering the tournament situation.It was a blunder.Shit happens. If he catches an A or a K he might make a horrible play and win the whole thing.

[Smasharoo 0]

You don't know me or my poker history, level of play, anything. In fact, from reading many of your posts over tha last few months, you come off as a know it all clown. I doubt you can back up anything you claim. You're the king of the micro limits right? Keep having fun pretending to be a success. You are one of many in this world who think they are smarter than anyone else. Wake up, there are millions of very intelligent people in the world besides yourself, and I am giving you credit there though why I don't know. You contribute nothing to this forum but tired one liners. Creep out of your basement. Your kitty needs fed and Mommy is tired of picking up the slack. GL to ya bag.So we on for the grand, then?You did say you wanted to wager, right?Or was that just your standard hyperbole?Do let me know.