MailleMas 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Just a noob looking for some analysis. I'll post what he had before I go to bed tonight. Sorry I don't have much in the way of posts before putting up a hand but, in truth I don't have much to add to intellegent poker conversation yet. Mostly I lurk, and hope to learn as much as I can so I can be of use to the forum later.Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) converterMP2 ($23.05)CO ($8.25)Hero ($25.6)SB ($24.15)BB ($14.4)UTG ($18.75)UTG+1 ($5.8)MP1 ($17.68)Preflop: Hero is Button with A:spade:, 9:spade:. SB posts a blind of $0.1. 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.Flop: ($1.25) 9:diamond:, T:heart:, A:diamond: (5 players)SB bets $1, Hero calls $4.Turn: ($13.25) 6:heart: (2 players)SB bets $10, Hero calls $19.35 (All-In), SB calls $7.90 (All-In).River: ($50.50) 8:spade: (2 players, 2 all-in)Final Pot: $50.50I'll post my relavent questions after a few responses/guess (don't want to spoil your fun) Link to post Share on other sites
Absolute 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 minimum raises in NL Hold'em are kind of like eating your own shit.It's kind of weird that you are in to that. Link to post Share on other sites
allinbluff35 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 raise to 3.25 on the flop Link to post Share on other sites
Absolute 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 raise to 3.25 on the flopshut up Link to post Share on other sites
allinbluff35 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 raise to 3.25 on the flopshut upi hope you get gonosyphyllherpylaids from fucking a hamster Link to post Share on other sites
Absolute 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 raise to 3.25 on the flopshut upi hope you get gonosyphyllherpylaids from fucking a hamsterthats what that is? Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 I put him on J Q suited, either diamonds or hearts.If he had an open end straight draw, as well as a 4 card (or backdoor) flush draw, I can see his betsand calls being justifiable, and also would mean thathe straightened out on you at the river, which wouldprobably be why you're posting this hand, IMO Link to post Share on other sites
MailleMas 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Author Share Posted June 16, 2005 Ever so helpful absolute - and I agree- a weak raise there. thanks for the opinion. btw- if you stop scratching down there it'll heal faster....Allinbluff- you picked 3.25 since it is pot sized again I assume? Honestly I didn't think of that at the time - and i'll think of you on my re-raises now lol (how romantic! lol)bdc30 - a good guess - but not the right one... Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 I put him on J Q suited, either diamonds or hearts.If he had an open end straight draw, as well as a  4 card (or backdoor) flush draw, I can see his betsand calls being justifiable, and also would mean thathe straightened out on you at the river, which wouldprobably be why you're posting this hand, IMOI just can't put this guy on a draw (even a really strong one). Most of my opponents will call off all their chips on a draw, and some of the more aggressive ones will go all-in on a draw (though usually in a tournament setting).His decent size bet on the flop into a field tells me that he has something. At that point, we couldn't be sure whether he's on a draw or not. When we min re-raise him, we tell him, "Hey, I'm on a draw. I want a free card." Assuming he's not a maniac, his re-raise there says, "No way in hell are you getting a free card. I have the best hand right now. Call this if you want, but you're dumb if you do." Granted, he might think his hand is better than it is. He might have A7 and read that as the best hand.Anyway, my point is...if an average opponent is betting the draw on the flop, they're usually just going to call the raise. This can lead to some really funny fishy situations. For example, they bet $1 into a $5 pot, and you re-raise $10...which they then call. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Why would you push all in there like such a huge tuna.Amazing that people doubt that my NL strategy works. Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 I don't like your flop play very much. Min raise was terrible, then just calling his re-raise...no sir I do not like it at all. Ignoring all that though, I think you have to push on the turn when he bet out like that. :wink: Looks to me like a straight/flush draw - jack 8 of diamonds? Link to post Share on other sites
TheIceman05 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Don't be a ****ing moron and minimum raise ever again, unless you realize that it's funny and/or annoying. Then you can do it in front of your friends, shrug your shoulders, and say stuff like "What's wrong with making a terrible play?"It's kind of like using poor grammar for a purpose. You can't break a rule unless you have a damned good reason. Like starting a sentence with "and"Ice Link to post Share on other sites
tobytobey 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Here's my read on this hand.....The SB $1.00 bet smells to me as if he's looking for action, much like a fisherman dangling a worm into the water hoping for a nibble.The Min raise looks like a nibble on the end of the line to the SB who gets excited to see if he can hook the fish.The SB raise to $6 is the jerking motion in an attempt to hook the fish......and the call lets the SB know he's got a big one.The $10 bet on the turn is the SB attempt to reel the fish in, but the fish has some fight by coming over the top and going all-in.My guess is that the SB had top two pair or possibly AA. I've played enough on PP to know that people just love to slow play (preflop) anything and everything.If I were playing this hand, I would have raised 3x or 4x BB preflop. What does everyone else think about coming in for a raise preflop? Link to post Share on other sites
MailleMas 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Author Share Posted June 16, 2005 Alright- i get the point - min raise=stupid. I posted the hand for advice, so thanks for it. And tobytobey got the hand - he flopped top 2 pair with his AT. Smasharoo - I puhed there cuz I AM a tuna - that is what I'm trying to combat. As far as not playing your strat. (which, iirc is play only suited A's and pocket pairs then wait for flopped flushes and sets), while I'm sure that works, I do like to play for fun, and knee jerk poker doesn't sound fun, nor does it sound like it would maximize my profits (I know, I know, what profits atm! - but you do know what I mean)So, I'm thinking the common opinion is that I should have re-raised the flop more and then folded the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
NickTheKid 0 Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 You butchered this, raise preflop!Push him on the flop, don't call 4. Link to post Share on other sites
tobytobey 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 What do i win? Link to post Share on other sites
MailleMas 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 TobeyTobey - you win a big fat kiss on the lips - from Absolute. Thanks for your constructive input to my question, and if i've learned one thing from this post - it is that min-raising someone is a hell-worthy trespass, and possibly a mortal sin. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 TobeyTobey - you win a big fat kiss on the lips - from Absolute. Thanks for your constructive input to my question, and if i've learned one thing from this post - it is that min-raising someone is a hell-worthy trespass, and possibly a mortal sin.It's really more that min-raising is bad in this situation. It's not going to accomplish what you need here. Link to post Share on other sites
Outlaw_IA 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 he has 9 10. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 he has 9 10.Actually, the OP already stated that the guy had AT...which is along the lines of what I figured. Link to post Share on other sites
Outlaw_IA 0 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Totally skipped that post, lol.late night, early morning. :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
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