rich kids at the casinos. what's the deal?

[mbreon 0]

I happen to be one of those young guys who brings too much money to the casinos....and no, it is not because I have rich parents, which I don't. I play poker as just a fun hobby, I do not take it too seriously, and I try to enjoy myself while I play. I do not play everyday nor do I care too, even though I have the bankroll for it. When I go to the poker tables I try to have a good time, I will admit that I don't want to sit around for an hour not playing a hand. Does this mean I will play Q4 because it is sooooted? Nope. But I also try to induce action at my table. Does it make me somewhat of a fish? Probably. You should be happy to see a player like me sit at your table.....

[JustinHEMI04 0]

I'd also like to come to the defence of the OP.He said he'd be devastated if he lost $500 in a night (paraphrasing), but I don't think he's saying he plays scared to lose his money. I think what he means (and I've seen this too, since I'm a younger guy myself) is that there are rich kids who either blow their own or their rich daddy's money like it's nothing. I've never lost $500 in a night, but I've seen other kids do it and not give a damn. I can't afford to lose that kind of money in a night, and if I did, I would be catatonic for about as long as I couldn't afford to eat or pay my electric bill. But I dont' play scared to lose the money I do bring to the table, and from what I've read, I don't think the OP does either.There's plenty of flaming opportunities out there, so save your efforts for the posts that warrant it. This guy just brought up a point that most of us have seemed to agree with. Let him be.MoEDIT: Also, I'd like to express fear for the 16 year old whose father is happy he blows his cash on poker instead of drugs. Talk about setting the bar low. How about teaching him something called the value of money now when he has it, so he doesn't have to learn the hard way if he ever doesn't? Introduce him to something I've heard a little about called a bank account, and let him play with a more modest roll.

If I read the post correctly, I don't think he meant it was his 16 year-old who wanted to play, but moreso a random 16 year-old with 5k in his pocket trying to buy into a game.

Thats right... its not my 16 year old. Christ I hope being 30 I don't have a 16 year old running around out there LOL. As for anyone else's 16 year old, I can't comment on his dad's or anyone else's parenting.Justin

[Guest]

Breon makes a great point, alot of these players the OP is talking about are probably successful in other endeavors. My guess is these guys are sitting down and blowing off steam after a week or two of being stressed to the max at the office. It's what I do when I go to the casino, I go to socalize have play some cards. Now some of these kids might have a gambling problem and other yet might have wealthy parents. Kids with affluence are more likely to play at stakes that have some meaning to them. (The player in the 1000NL game in an aboved mentioned post). My advice, if your consider yourself a pro...or a wannabe pro, treat these players like business clients. Don't berate them or belittle them, give them every reason to keep coming back. If I get slowrolled or belittled at a table I do one of two things. I get up and leave or I tighten up and play solid poker, neither of which are good for the table. :wink:

[Sushiman 0]

I was actually playing at the Tropicana. Borgata would have been nice, but I had to meet friends in town and didn't want to spend all my time waiting for a table on saturday night. And no, I wasn't playing scared. I brought a 100 dollars, which isn't an amount I'd be too concerned about losing because it wouldn't affect my living or me paying bills that month. I said 500 dollars would be too much, which it is. I don't see how this makes me a bad player or have poor money management skills. I was playing 1/2 NL with 100 min 300 max buy in.

[Bigmoney 0]

Frankly it's a combination of wealthy parents giving thier kids money everytime thier hands are out and kids wagering thier whole paycheck from Wal-Mart, stealing money from thier parents, taking cash advances on thier credit cards, using thier student loans, and going into other sorts of debt. They watch poker on TV 12 hours a day and can recite every line from Rounders and think they poker pros. Personally I like those people at my table because they are easy money and entertainment at the same time. I'll give you and example, I was playing at a poker club in NYC, $1/$2 NL $500 max buy in. There are 8 players, I make it 9. Checking out the table all young guys 21-26 I'd say and they all bought in for the max $500. We are playing for a while and the table is really aggressive. On the BB I get AK off suit, as the norm here there was a raise to $10 and re-raise $25, so I just call -- Family pot. Flop comes KK2, SB checks, I check it up knowing someone would bet. Guy behind me bets $25, then he is raised to $50, call, call, call, call, I call, raiser calls --- gee everyone has pocket kings... The turn another K -- I am jumping up and down inside. SB checks, I check it up, a raise to $50, a reraise to $100, call, call, fold, fold, I call, bettor goes ALL IN ??!!!?! raise calls ?!?!?! fold, fold, then it comes to me... I take a long time to think...and say OK I call...I am all in, they one guy had us both coverd by a few bucks. Guy behind me turns ove 22, other guy turns over QQ, and I took down a monster pot. Then after the hand both guys putt out wads of $100's and rebuy back to the max ??????? where the heck did they get those bankrolls? I didn't mind took a few hundred off of each of them in the next couple of hours walked away up over $2000point is either spoiled or foolish.....doesn't matter just take thier money!

[CaneBrain 95]

I happen to be one of those young guys who brings too much money to the casinos....and no, it is not because I have rich parents, which I don't. I play poker as just a fun hobby, I do not take it too seriously, and I try to enjoy myself while I play. I do not play everyday nor do I care too, even though I have the bankroll for it. When I go to the poker tables I try to have a good time, I will admit that I don't want to sit around for an hour not playing a hand. Does this mean I will play Q4 because it is sooooted? Nope. But I also try to induce action at my table. Does it make me somewhat of a fish? Probably. You should be happy to see a player like me sit at your table.....

When I make a big score gambling on sports (which I am still so much better at than poker much to my chagrin) I often will go play in a small NL game and just have fun....to me I treat it like going to play craps or blackjack....I am there to gamble and I guarantee a lot of these rich kids and young professionals are doing the same....complaining about it is silly....just take advantage of their fishiness....when I have tons of cash to burn I will play things like Q4 suited and just mess around adn have a good time....it keeps poker fun for me and you would be surprised how many times this maniac play will send people on tilt....if the deck is running right I will often make ridiculous profits....or on a bad night I will slowly bleed chips (death by limping I call it)....either way its fun, its good for my long term table image so what the hell

[GhostfaceKillah 0]

I probably represented what your talking about this weekend. I was up as much as 600 on the night but i took some tough beats over and ****ing over again. I lost with Kings when the case queen hit on the river. I went on tilt and blew all my profit plus some money from the night before. I played pissed which is something you should never do. I was in AC over the weekend too at the Taj Mahal.

[agsa6079 0]

Whats wrong with not wanting to lose $500 in one sitting? He's made no mention of the limit game he plays. The problem with many "professional" poker players is they think this game is about balls and fear. While playing with scared money is a recipe for disaster, being worried about taking a big hit is not. I CAN afford to lose $500 in one night, I make over $100,000 a year, not counting poker money. I can play most limits comfortably up to $20/40, but I prefer smaller games. If I go to Biloxi and lose $500 in the $1-4-8-8 game, I'm more than pissed, I'm really pissed. Not because I'm afraid of losing, but because winnings are what the measuring stick in poker. If I lose $500 in the $20/40 I'm still pissed, because I LOST! Losing means you're not playing well.Just for the record, I've never lost $500 in any game, it was strictly an analogy to support my post.

[blueodum 0]

You can play well and have a losing session. If you look back at your play and are satisfied that you played your A game, the final tally for the session shouldn't matter one wit - positive or negative.When I started playing, I'd be really bothered by bat beats. Not ordinary suckouts, but e.g. someone calling a three-bet preflop with 5-9 suited and cracking my aces with a flush on the river after I made a set on the flop.Now they have almost no effect. I laugh them off and I don't go on tilt.

[GhostfaceKillah 0]

I have a tendency to take it personal and get pissed and stuff when i get cracked. Im too competitive.

[flintsword 4]

Poker in any large casino I have ever gone to is a zoo. Players are fat, thin, tall, short, male, female, young, mature, old, fossilized, clean, dirty, ... you get the point, it is a REALLY mixed bag.The youngish, thin chip weasel peering (with wrap sunglasses) over a small mountain of chips is such a common sight that I haven't given it much thought. I prefer to think in terms of how loose the player is, what his (or her) minimum bet is, are they devious, do they understand position, etc. since those are poker questions that fit my mind-set when I sit in on a game.I have never really had a problem with players that have a lot more money than me, ... I mean that is a given. No matter what your net worth is, there is going to be someone with a truely interstellar net worth than makes you look like small potatoes. This fact of life is - to my mind - not "poker-important".What IS poker-important is being intimidated by someone (anyone, young or old) that comes to your table with a lot of chips.I am going to take a different tack in replying to your post, in a constructive way, with poker in mind.You posted in good faith about rich kids with a lot of cash. Clearly it bugs you or you would not have posted it.Consider the possibility that this irritation, being bugged, is a small leak in your game. Consider if you play differently against that person, or in a game with this type of person. Be objective about it.Improving in poker is a rough road and like chess, an accumulation of small advantages. By thinking through and resolving your play when this type of player is in the game, I believe you can improve a bit.A few years ago I spent a lot of time thinking and studying what happens to my poker play when a maniac joined the game. My play went all to hell (not a big step depending on who you talk to :shock: ) because I was losing my opbjectivity whenever a maniac entered the game. By facing the fact that maniacs "upset me", I was able to work on that part of my game. Today I love maniacs. They come into the game with the "hammer and anvil theory of poker" and I reraise them when I have a decent hand so that they have to deliver.Granted facing maniacs is not the same as facing "Kids with Kash", but it is possible that the root effect on your game is worth at least thinking about it.Hope that this helps. It is just a constructive poker thought that may have some merit IMHO.

[mbreon 0]

Losses and bad beats are just part of the game. Everyone hates it when it happens to them, but surely we have all delivered our share of them as well. Not everyone who sits down at a poker table is there because they are making a living at it. When I sit down to play 5/10, 10/20, or whatever at a casino, I have no intentions of quitting my job and making a living off of poker, no matter how well I do. I'm not trying to give my money away either. But I am there primarily to have fun. I am probably the prime example of what kind of mentality you want the other players to have at your table. The fact is however much money I win or lose in that one particular session is essentially meaningless; as long as I feel that I have played the best I can, then that's all I can ask for. I admit I have the benefit of having a large bankroll for my hobbies, poker included, which probably makes it a little easier on me. When I sit down at a 10/20 table or higher, I know full well that there are players at that table more skilled than I am, and who have logged many more hours playing poker than I have. My goal is to simply put those players on tilt, so that they start throwing their money around....but my primary goal is just to have a good time, and I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. Skilled players who make a living off of it should enjoy it, because of my mentality, and amateur and beginner types usually enjoy it because I try to have a lot of fun while I am at the table. I treat it as a fun and social activity....

[PotDragon 0]

When the OP grows up...he will find that the world is made of different people. Some have money...some don't. Some are conservative...some foolhearty. This is news ?If a $500 dollar loss hurts you, then don't lose that much. I guess you won't be playing the $5,000 event today at the WSOP. :roll: Worry about yourself and your own bankroll... let the "rich kids" ( hmmm...jealsousy maybe ? ) worry about themselves.

[pho-nam 0]

I can't speak for all these other young players... But I am 22 years old... and I am a regular in the $40-80 game in my local casino... I do not have rich parents... I am an accountant that makes a modest salary... My other income comes from live poker... Unlike most young players I do not play online much compared to live poker, I have worked my way up the limits... You say you cant fathom losing $500 a night in poker... If you are afraid to lose money in poker then your playing the wrong game... I am not part of this "poker craze" I have been playing since I was legal to gamble (19 in canada) and unlike most young ins I dont just specialize in no limit... I am a huge stud player and when games start in my casino (which is rare) I am usually the first one there. I dont know where you are from but there are not many young players in the limits I compete in... most are playing the $1-2NL or $3-6NL and I always notice they are wildly aggressive... I dont know why you would care though... If I were you i would concentrate on playing the best poker possible instead of wondering how these kids can spend money so recklessly.

[JaysonWeber 0]

I guess I fell into that category when I went to casino's a lot "The rich kid with money to sit" but... I wasn't an idiot with it? Maybe some of them are regular online players, I know one of the best young players online sits at the 5/10 NL game and people think they're breaking him, then he re-buys for another 1k with a smile on his face.Either way... There are a LOT more young kids in casinos these days.

[Ron_Mexico 4,219]

I like and respect the points that mbreon makes. Not everybody needs to play perfect to have a good time. Sometimes you just want to feel the felt and riffle the chips, and squeeze some cards. Once again, it is merely a form of entertainment, with a possibility to make money, for some people.

[mbreon 0]

Thanks for the comments, Ron Mexico. Great screen name by the way..... what difference does it make if some rich kid comes into a poker game and is just tossing around chips like he could care less about the money. Isn't that a good thing? Don't let it bother you...I used to be very arrogant when I sat at the tables, mainly because I had the money to lose and I didn't care about it. I would always be intoxicated and just generally annoying at the table. After playing a private game where someone's fist showed me the error of my ways, I have since lightened up big time. I am there to have a good time , nothing more , nothing less. If I win, fantastic, if not, there's always next time. Let's not all take the game too seriously. It can be a fun social experience , good way to meet people, etc. Granted we all want to take each other's money, but there's no rule saying we can't have fun while doing it.

[herkimer1313 0]

justin what part of upstate ny? i am in that area and trying to find a game

[DeNuts1 0]

sounds like you have a case of being scared to loose.good way to loose !my 2 cents

Sounds like you have a case of being too dumb to know the difference in loose and lose. Good way to make an ass out of yourself!my 2 cents.

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I was wondering which site right now has the best bonus out there and is hte best to play on. I know Full tilt has a great bonus right now but i am not impressed with their variety of MTT's. So i am looking at some other sites. Any help would be appreciated.

[mbreon 0]

I was wondering which site right now has the best bonus out there and is hte best to play on. I know Full tilt has a great bonus right now but i am not impressed with their variety of MTT's. So i am looking at some other sites. Any help would be appreciated.

I'm reasonably certain that there are several prior threads devoted to this subject, if you search I'm sure you can find a wealth of information devoted to site bonuses...gamesgrid i know has a great bonus system going, but they are new so there still aren't a ton of players there yet.

[pbwl11 0]

You can play well and have a losing session. If you look back at your play and are satisfied that you played your A game, the final tally for the session shouldn't matter one wit - positive or negative.When I started playing, I'd be really bothered by bat beats. Not ordinary suckouts, but e.g. someone calling a three-bet preflop with 5-9 suited and cracking my aces with a flush on the river after I made a set on the flop.Now they have almost no effect. I laugh them off and I don't go on tilt.

You, sir, are my hero. I seem to take the suckouts and bad beats personally, and it's all I can do not to fly across the table at the fish (ala, Eddie and Clark in that Emmy Award winning series, TILT. :roll: sw).I have been trying to work on my behavior at the tables though, as frustrating as it is, I understand that if they didn't play that way, we make no money. I'm learnig to grin and bare it, and say "nice hand", as my mouth bleeds from biting my tounge. lol

[satieh2 0]

Frankly it's a combination of wealthy parents giving thier kids money everytime thier hands are out and kids wagering thier whole paycheck from Wal-Mart, stealing money from thier parents, taking cash advances on thier credit cards, using thier student loans, and going into other sorts of debt. They watch poker on TV 12 hours a day and can recite every line from Rounders and think they poker pros. Personally I like those people at my table because they are easy money and entertainment at the same time. I'll give you and example, I was playing at a poker club in NYC, $1/$2 NL $500 max buy in. There are 8 players, I make it 9. Checking out the table all young guys 21-26 I'd say and they all bought in for the max $500. We are playing for a while and the table is really aggressive. On the BB I get AK off suit, as the norm here there was a raise to $10 and re-raise $25, so I just call -- Family pot. Flop comes KK2, SB checks, I check it up knowing someone would bet. Guy behind me bets $25, then he is raised to $50, call, call, call, call, I call, raiser calls --- gee everyone has pocket kings... The turn another K -- I am jumping up and down inside. SB checks, I check it up, a raise to $50, a reraise to $100, call, call, fold, fold, I call, bettor goes ALL IN ??!!!?! raise calls ?!?!?! fold, fold, then it comes to me... I take a long time to think...and say OK I call...I am all in, they one guy had us both coverd by a few bucks. Guy behind me turns ove 22, other guy turns over QQ, and I took down a monster pot. Then after the hand both guys putt out wads of $100's and rebuy back to the max ??????? where the heck did they get those bankrolls? I didn't mind took a few hundred off of each of them in the next couple of hours walked away up over $2000point is either spoiled or foolish.....doesn't matter just take thier money!

Big Money,I'm moving to the city July 1st and wanted to get in on a card club somewhere. Can you help me out? ThanksSteve

[JustinHEMI04 0]

justin what part of upstate ny? i am in that area and trying to find a game

Amsterdam, Saratoga springs areaJustin