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OKay we all know about the big game and it just leaves me with a lot of questions. According to sources, Barry is a consistent winner in the big game, Jennifer is a consistent winner in the big game, Ivey is a consistent winner in the big game, both Brunsons are consistent winners in the big game...who the heck is losing?Edit: I forgot Chau .. That makes 6 players that are supposedly consistent winners.

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I've been thinking about this for a while, with respect to the Big Game and to other really big games that the pros use to make their living.The conclusion I've come to is that there simply must be pros who are losing players.

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well there must be, but who, everyone in this game claims to be a consistent winner, if they arent winning it from each other, are there just random people that come in, get their butt kicked, and then are out...and the "consistent winners" just make their money off of them?

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First of all I am sure no pro wants to admit they are a loser in the big game. A lot of pros play in and out of the game, like Men the Master, Ted Forrest, and I'm sure many lesser players who don't fare as well. Todd Brunson is a regular in the big game? Is he there under daddy's bankroll because I'm pretty sure he doesn't have that kind of scratch on his own.

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In The Professor, the banker, and the suicide king they talk a little about the big game. I guess Lyle Berman is a regular donator in that game, and there are some lower limit pros that make appearances in the game. Not to mention that it didn't seem like Doyle was "making a living" playing in the game. He was winning, but probably just a fraction of a big bet an hour. I was also interested in Greenstein's playing the the coalition. There were reservations about letting him play in the game, because he wasn't a Vegas regular, and his home game was in the private hustler casino in LA (other pros were pissed, because they weren't allowed in the hustler game and he was). I guess the reason I'm saying this is because if he only started playing in the Big Game three years ago, what Daniel says is probably true, He's exaggerating his winnings.

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First of all I am sure no pro wants to admit they are a loser in the big game. A lot of pros play in and out of the game, like Men the Master, Ted Forrest, and I'm sure many lesser players who don't fare as well. Todd Brunson is a regular in the big game? Is he there under daddy's bankroll because I'm pretty sure he doesn't have that kind of scratch on his own.
He's not under his father's bankroll. He saved that coalition from bankruptcy by beating Beal for $20 million alone, he's been playing for 20 years, btw.
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First of all I am sure no pro wants to admit they are a loser in the big game. A lot of pros play in and out of the game, like Men the Master, Ted Forrest, and I'm sure many lesser players who don't fare as well. Todd Brunson is a regular in the big game? Is he there under daddy's bankroll because I'm pretty sure he doesn't have that kind of scratch on his own.
He's not under his father's bankroll. He saved that coalition from bankruptcy by beating Beal for $20 million alone, he's been playing for 20 years, btw.
Yeah, Todd won something like $24 million last year, the VAST majority from Beal.
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I asked the samw question on RGP about 2 months ago and did not get a good response.My theory and it is just a theory is that not everyone is telling the truth as being a consistent winner, but I think there are other players who come into the game from time to time that probably lose. The ones that come to mind are Gus Hanson, Celine Dion's Husband and Lyle Berman.I heard a rumor that Gus is in Europe hiding because he owes the big game money. Now that is just a rumor I heard. I am not saying it is true. But I have not heard anyting about Gus being at the WSOP.Another thing to think about is plenty of the players in the game have money from other sources. I am sure some of that funnels it way into the game.

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I've always wondered that as well... they play the "big game" because they are pros & have the money yet some have to consistantly lose for others to be consistant winners.

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The loser is Gus.
But, can they technically claim that they won money Gus never paid them? Speaking of that, there hasn't been a Gus on PokerStars post in about 3 days.
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The loser is Gus.
But, can they technically claim that they won money Gus never paid them? Speaking of that, there hasn't been a Gus on PokerStars post in about 3 days.
He was on yesterday actually. Also, on one of the WPT's didn't Doyle say he was having his first losing year until he one the Legends of Poker? Hmmmm...
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Todd Brunson is a regular in the big game? Is he there under daddy's bankroll because I'm pretty sure he doesn't have that kind of scratch on his own.
:club: that's ridiculous. I'm sure Doyle helped him out when he first started but he makes plenty on his own. He killed Beal
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The loser is Gus.
But, can they technically claim that they won money Gus never paid them? Speaking of that, there hasn't been a Gus on PokerStars post in about 3 days.
I don't know about any of that, or even if that's true, but I just know he's one of the losers in the game.I'm sure there are others though.
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I would say the losers are probably Gus, Rene Angelil, rich tourists who come to town a take a shot occasionally, and a few pros who have tried to move up to that limit.

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it gets tiring to repeatedly read how people are mixing up the 4k/8k mixed cash game at the bellagio and the series of 40m limit HE heads-up matches between the corporation and beal. half of you think it's the former, and the other half think it's the latter.get it straight, first.aseem

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I get all of this from "The Professor, the Banker and the Suicide King".It seems to me like the profit in the big game comes from pros trying to move up a level and rich people who want to play with the best players in the world. The way I read it, pros consistently try to move up a level (whatever that level is) and keep trying until they finally can beat it. Jennifer Harman, for instance, had to drop back a bunch of times after losing her roll. I'm guessing that's a consistent cycle.As for Todd Brunson, I thought he came off really well in the book (read: the exact opposite of how he came off on Poker Superstars last week). He has the theory that playing in the biggest game is a worse idea than playing in the best game, preferring to play at a lower level and kill it. Seems to make sense to me.As for the Beal games, I can't believe they let Gus play. That seems insane.Peace,Jay

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there are a TON of rich guys that come to town every week and sit in the game. They just want to play with the pros, my guess is that those are the losers. Casino hosts are constantly feeding fish to the game, money is split by all the pros

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Commoncents has it. Even last weekend I watched Ivey pull a ton of money from a couple of rich guys. I think the day started with Lyle, Doyle, Chan, Chau and another then the rich guys. Someone else posted that they saw Ivey raking in a mountain of $500/1000 chips.I'm sure they take turns cleaning out the rich guys depending on whos running good that day. Not necessarily intentionally, I think it just happens that way.

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it gets tiring to repeatedly read how people are mixing up the 4k/8k mixed cash game at the bellagio and the series of 40m limit HE heads-up matches between the corporation and beal. half of you think it's the former, and the other half think it's the latter.get it straight, first.aseem
How about you read my post, first. I didn't confuse the two at all. I said they talked a little about the big game in the book:
In The Professor, the banker, and the suicide king they talk a little about the big game. I guess Lyle Berman is a regular donator in that game, and there are some lower limit pros that make appearances in the game. Not to mention that it didn't seem like Doyle was "making a living" playing in the game. He was winning, but probably just a fraction of a big bet an hour. I was also interested in Greenstein's playing the the coalition. There were reservations about letting him play in the game, because he wasn't a Vegas regular, and his home game was in the private hustler casino in LA (other pros were censored, because they weren't allowed in the hustler game and he was). I guess the reason I'm saying this is because if he only started playing in the Big Game three years ago, what Daniel says is probably true, He's exaggerating his winnings.
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How about you read my post, first. I didn't confuse the two at all. I said they talked a little about the big game in the book
before you jump all over my post, read the full thread. some people are talking about the bellagio/hustler games, while the others are talking about the Beal games. i'm not saying you mixed them up.aseem
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I would be willing to say that the "facts" posted in this thread are so far-off the truth that any person playing in "the big game" would have a real good laugh reading all you guys' expert opinions.

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