antonio is a fish

[Hold_Em 0]

In an incredible double elimination, Antonio Esfandiari called both Martin Green's $20,000 all-in raise and John Juanda's $45,000 reraise all-in. Green was holding pocket nines, while Juanda held Kings. Esfandiari turned over poket fives. The flop came 7-2-7. The turn came a 4. On the river, a miraculous 5, eliminating both Green and Juanda in 18th and 17th places, respectively.-Who calls a raise and a re raise holding pocket fives, did he not think at least one of them would have him completely dominated. I mean at best hes not even a favorite because there are four overcards out their against him. What a fish.

[fryer98 30]

Does that mean you could take him?

[princeof56k 0]

There's go to be some more details to this hand that are missing (or someone made a mistake). Ohterwise that's a horrible call. Its hard to believe he would do that.

[Hold_Em 0]

I'm not sure, its straight from the cardplayer logs.

[fryer98 30]

I'm not sure, its straight from the cardplayer logs.

Do you think Antonio's chip stack might be important in this situation??

[NicksDad1970 0]

According to www.cardplayer.com that is exactly what happened. That would have put Juanda up over 100k.I could see an all-in by the first guy with A-10 or maybe even less trying to steal. I could see Juanda going all in with A-J or higher and trying to scare anyone else away from calling. Knowing the first guy would go all in with a marginal hand. So I can see how Antonio felt his chances were decent in having the best hand at the time....... But knowing he'd more than likely be facing at least 4 overs wasn't the smartest move. Sometimes those wild moves are exactly what get you to the top. No I'm not an Antonio fan. In fact in one of those "what players do you dislike threads" He was on my list. But he's a very aggressive player and gets rewarded for that at times.

[GhostfaceKillah 0]

What a gamble. I hate when poor play is rewarded. Makes me sick :wall:

[ajs510 122]

I would say he had them both covered, as the combined all-in's from Juanda and Green were only $65,000 and Antonio had $173,000 only 20 minutes later. Even so, it's a horrible call, there's no way you could possibly think 5's were ahead of anything after two all-ins. I don't know what his pot-odds or position were, since the Cardplayer logs aren't that detailed.

[allinbluff35 0]

he could have been getting priced in to make the call, god forbid math becomes involved

[dms26 3]

he could have been  getting priced in to make the call, god forbid math becomes involved

the reverse implied odds were huge

[Snowman 0]

I'm not sure, its straight from the cardplayer logs.

Do you think Antonio's chip stack might be important in this situation??

The cardplayer text could be read as if Antonio is sitting between Green and Juanda, so he first calls Green's all-in and then Juanda re-raises all-in and he calls that too.Makes it a bit more understandable.But it was stupid move because that busted Juanda in 17th place and I have him as my number 3 spot in the fantasy pool. :x Btw, I'm not totally trusting the reports from cardplayer. For example, it still says that Eli Elezra finishes in both 18th and 16th place.

[livestrong 0]

Yeah I think to make a proper judgement you would need to know his position and chip stack, maybe he called Green's all in first?!?

[fryer98 30]

Yeah I think to make a proper judgement you would need to know his position and chip stack, maybe he called Green's all in first?!?

No no no, none of that matters. All we have to know, is that he called 2 all-ins with 55, so he is a fish and a terrible player.Do I REALLY have to put [sw] after this??

[guacamole 0]

Isn't there a good chance he is facing only 3 overcards if the other hands both have a common card (like an ace)? Also, a lower pair is a possibility, which improves his odds greatly (although Juanda is unlikely to have a lower pair). Even A-4, A-3, or A-2 is a possibility for Green if the blinds were very high, and he had reasonably good position. Also, a dominated pocket pair in a 3-way hand isn't as bad as a dominated pair heads up because your chance of winning is almost the same, and the pot odds are much better.Still, it is hard to believe these factors can make it a good call.

[MarionSauce 0]

I think most of us are pissed because we have Juanda in our Fantasy and not Rocks&Ringsguy

[ajs510 122]

I think most of us are censored because we have Juanda in our Fantasy and not Rocks&Ringsguy

I won't lie, that's a lot of my frustration about the whole thing. If he knocked out Barry Shulman with the same play I wouldn't give a damn.

[tenza 0]

Juanda made a standard raise from the cutoff and Antonio decided to reraise from the small blind. This all but put Green all in and he decided to call. Now with Antonio already having a lot in the pot Juanda went all in and Antonio was basically forced to call. Turned out to be a bad situation for Antonio but really wasnt that bad of a play.

[crowTrobot 2]

maybe he was thinking of wpt bad boys when he had 7's and gus called his all in and knocked him out with 8/10

[NicksDad1970 0]

maybe he was thinking of wpt bad boys when he had 7's and gus called his all in and knocked him out with 8/10

Speaking of that Carlos called Deeb's all in with 10-8 and caught the 8. I think Deeb had 55. Considering Carlos is about guaranteed to make the semi;s in the Inv 2 tourney he was looser than normal.

[Nimbletoe 0]

Antonio Esfandiari takes out John Juanda and Martin GreenJohn Juanda raised from the cutoff seat, Antonio re-raised from the small blind, Martin Green on the big blind called all-in, and when it came back to Juanda, he re-raised all in. Antonio comtemplated for awhile and then called because he was getting good pot odds.Green turned up [6][6], Juanda turned up pocket [K][K], and Esfandiari turned up pocket [5][5]. The flop came [7][2][7] looking good for Juanda. The turn came [4], leaving the hand the same. Esfandiari caught a [5] on the river giving him the set that would knock out both Juanda and Green in 17th and 18th place. Each player took home $10,085. Re-raise with pocket 5s? Ok guy. Good play!

[crowTrobot 2]

normally he'd push in pre flop in that spot, wouldn't have changed anything

[fryer98 30]

Re-raise with pocket 5s?  Ok guy.  Good play!

I'm taking you were [sw] on that, so...Hmmm, maybe he was playing the situation and not the cards. Do you think a pro with millions more than any of us knows how to do that??

[elkang 0]

i'm going to withhold judgement. I can imagine a few scenarios where Antonio would do this - some mistakes - some not.I like how some automatically assume he is an idiot. Well, I have a wealth of evidence to say he's a good player. Let me suggest the following... if he puts them both on AQ/AK then he is not such a dog and would have pot odds to call. It also sets himself up further as someone you don't want to be in a hand with.

[PotDragon 0]

If John Juanda were in the cut off seat to your small blind, don't you think that you would need to play back at him at some point to counter his pre flop aggression ? I am not saying this was the time...but maybe he felt it was. That's poker.After his play failed...math dictated the call.All in all...not a play I would normally make, I would think the correct move was a smooth call ( especially with the BB apparently short stacked ) with the intention of betting out at anything other than a REALLY scary flop. But thats poker.But what is this ?

the reverse implied odds were huge

I did a double reverse implied with a twist once, but what happens in Vegas....

[Sushiman 0]

I don't think it's a bad call at all. Not only is he not putting a lot of his own chips in danger to potentially knock out 2 ppl, but they are both short stacked and would push with marginal to good hands. Antonio probably put them both on a A which means he is ahead in the hand. If this was a cash game, then yea it's a crappy call. But I don't think this is a bad call in a tournament situation.