the fish experiment!! day 2.

[PrtyPSux 0]

The Goal: to turn $5 into $1,000 by playing like a fish. The Rules: I will play until I lose $20 from the original Bankroll I had. I can move up limits in Sit n Go's whenever I feel like (after all the number one thing fish dont know is bankroll management). I dont have to play strictly sit N go's, I can play cash games also (whatever limit). The only thing I do have to follow, is that I HAVE TO PLAY LIKE A FISH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.The Objective: to see when the dreaded "variance" will strike upon me. Well guys, Ill start this off by saying that I won my first sit n go playing like a fish. I only had time for one game today but I got some good hands that might teach you guys a thing or two.....enjoy.Seat 8: takemycash9 [JC,10H] 25/50 blindsPRE-FLOPUTG bets $100, UTG+1 calls $100, takemycash9 calls $100, MP2 calls $100, Button calls $100.FLOP [board cards 3D,6C,JH ]UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, takemycash9 bets $250, MP2 folds, everyone else foldsTop Pair BABY!SHOWDOWNtakemycash9 wins $825.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Still 25/50 I got 10s 8sPRE-FLOPUTG+1 calls $50, takemycash9 calls $25, BB bets $50, UTG+1 calls $50, takemycash9 calls $50.FLOP [board cards 9S,10D,QC ]takemycash9 checks,BB bets $50, UTG folds, takemycash9 calls $50.Middle pair + gutshot = dont let goTURN [board cards 9S,10D,QC,5H ]takemycash9 checks, BB checks.no improvement but the check down makes me feel good RIVER [board cards 9S,10D,QC,5H,QH ]takemycash9 checks, BB bets $200, takemycash9 calls $200.SHOWDOWNBB shows [ AH,JC ]takemycash9 shows [ 10S,8S ]U dont realize how many times you are being bluffed at until u start calling down w/ everything-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Seat 8: takemycash9 [9D,KC] ($2,200 in chips) Blinds 25/50 PRE-FLOPtakemycash9 calls $50, UTG+1 calls $50, MP1 calls $50, SB calls $25, BB checks.FLOP [board cards 10S,KS,5S ]SB checks, BB checks, takemycash9 checks, UTG+1 bets $50, MP1 folds, SB folds,BB calls $50, takemycash9 calls $50. Top Pair...Im callin this bitch downTURN [board cards 10S,KS,5S,10D ]BB checks, takemycash9 checks, UTG+1 checks.RIVER [board cards 10S,KS,5S,10D,8H ]BB checks, takemycash9 bets $200, UTG1 folds, BB folds. In hindsight, A fish wouldve checked the flush is too scary..I guess my instinct sensed weakness...opinions? comments? SHOWDOWNtakemycash9 wins $600.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Ks 10s blinds 75/150 ....I had just taken a big blow so I was at about 1k in chips..PRE-FLOP takemycash9 calls $150, SB calls $75, BB bets $350, takemycash9 calls $350, SB calls $350.K10 suited..Why the fuck not?FLOP [board cards 4S,6C,8S ]SB checks, BB bets $610 and is all-in, takemycash9 calls $544 and is all-in, SB folds.Allways ALWAYS! call all-in w/ a flush draw.. that is rule #1 in sucking outTURN [board cards 4S,6C,8S,JC ]RIVER [board cards 4S,6C,8S,JC,5S ] I :spade:'sSHOWDOWNBB shows [ AC,QC ]takemycash9 shows [ 10S,KS ] takemycash9 wins $2,588.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Ac,9d blinds 100/200PRE-FLOPUTG calls $200, UTG+1 calls $200, SB calls $100, takemycash9 checks.FLOP [board cards AH,9D,2S ]SB checks, takemycash9 checks,UTG bets $200, UTG+1 folds, SB folds, takemycash9 calls $200. I FLOPPED THE FIIISHNUTS, I FLOPPED THE FIIISHNUTS...... Obvious slowplay here and you know that. TURN [board cards AH,9D,2S,3C ]takemycash9 checks, UTG bets $600, takemycash9 calls $600. I reeled him in like johnny chan in rounders, the trick is to take a while to call so they think you're drawingRIVER [board cards AH,9D,2S,3C,KH ]takemycash9 checks, UTG bets $1,070 and is all-in, takemycash9 calls $1,070.I think I should go proSHOWDOWNUTG shows [ AC,4H ]takemycash9 shows [ 9C,AD ]takemycash9 wins $4,540.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------4c,3d blinds 100/200 4 handed. (im SB)PRE-FLOP takemycash9 calls $100, Brigster checks.FLOP [board cards 3S,2D,3C ]takemycash9 checks, BB checks.If I dont slowplay this to the end I should shoot myself in the left nutTURN [board cards 3S,2D,3C,6S ]takemycash9 checks, BB bets $400, takemycash9 calls $400. he's falling for it RIVER [board cards 3S,2D,3C,6S,3H ]takemycash9 checks, BB bets $400, takemycash9 bets $2,100, BB folds. HOLY CRAP.. I ruined my pants.. he falls for it a second time, unfortunately the dude is a pussy, and folds.SHOWDOWNtakemycash9 shows [ 4C,3D ]takemycash9 wins $3,700.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------the winning hand ....7D ASANTES/BLINDSSB posts blind ($500), takemycash9 posts blind ($1,000).PRE-FLOPSB bets $1,500, takemycash9 bets $4,866 and is all-in, SB calls $3,866.FLOP [board cards AC,JS,3S ]TURN [board cards AC,JS,3S,QC ]RIVER [board cards AC,JS,3S,QC,9S ]SHOWDOWNtakemycash9 shows [ 7D,AS ]jessiebabie shows [ 2S,2C ]takemycash9 wins $11,732.he had like 3k after that but that went quick---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well...Here are the stats,games played: 3Games placed in the money: 2total net profit: 28.85this means that I have about 10 sit n gos left in me, (I would have to lose them all of course). So I will keep playing and keep you guys updated.

[Makata 0]

Didn't read the whole thing just the first couple hands, but a comment:Fish aren't generally aggressive. Even with large out draws they just check/call them or bet some low low amount. I saw a very sizable amount of betting, and that's simply not in a fish's nature. If you ever raise with anything below top set, then you're (probably) just playing good poker, not emulating weak play.

[valen 0]

I think he's more emulating a 'Calling Station' than a Fish. Fish will make extremely weak calls with a hand that is obviously beaten on a regular basis.

[Royal_Tour 0]

I think he's more emulating a 'Calling Station' than a Fish. Fish will make extremely weak calls with a hand that is obviously beaten on a regular basis.

Yes. day 2 was a little more of a calling station.. too many check/callsfish will bet, bet ,bet, then fold to a raise. or they will call the raise if they have Ace high/

[Guest]

fish will bet, bet ,bet, then fold to a raise. or they will call the raise if they have Ace high/

I don't know about that. Most Fish I know are more of a calling station. They don't bet, bet, bet. They just call whatever you bet hoping to hit a hand.All good poker players have made bets at pots they don't have a piece of, or a bad piece of, jsut to see where they are or steal.

[Royal_Tour 0]

fish will bet, bet ,bet, then fold to a raise. or they will call the raise if they have Ace high/

I don't know about that. Most Fish I know are more of a calling station. They don't bet, bet, bet. They just call whatever you bet hoping to hit a hand.All good poker players have made bets at pots they don't have a piece of, or a bad piece of, jsut to see where they are or steal.

no . heres where your wronga good play on a crap board, depending on your position would be to throw out a feeler bet. etc.. I've seen fish bet out every single street, and then fold to a raise on the river.If your on a steal., your not going to take it down with a smaller then pot sized bet. fish dont understandthat.. they throw out half pot sized bets at the worst possible moments..

[justblaze 0]

best. experiment. ever.

[ffishh 0]

shoulda pushed all in when you had the J, 10 in the first hand (top pair). then show your cards so the table knows you were playing the nuts.ffishh

[Pudge714 0]

Seat 8: takemycash9 [JC,10H] 25/50 blindsPRE-FLOPUTG bets $100, UTG+1 calls $100, takemycash9 calls $100, MP2 calls $100, Button calls $100.FLOP [board cards 3D,6C,JH ]UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, takemycash9 bets $250, MP2 folds, everyone else foldsSHOWDOWNtakemycash9 wins $825.No offense, but outside of the questionable limp, how is betting top pair and fishy move, although your kicker is weak, if I limped j10 in sng's, which I don't do, I would defintley lead that flop.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Seat 8: takemycash9 [9D,KC] ($2,200 in chips) Blinds 25/50 PRE-FLOPtakemycash9 calls $50, UTG+1 calls $50, MP1 calls $50, SB calls $25, BB checks.FLOP [board cards 10S,KS,5S ]SB checks, BB checks, takemycash9 checks, UTG+1 bets $50, MP1 folds, SB folds,BB calls $50, takemycash9 calls $50.TURN [board cards 10S,KS,5S,10D ]BB checks, takemycash9 checks, UTG+1 checks.RIVER [board cards 10S,KS,5S,10D,8H ]BB checks, takemycash9 bets $200, UTG1 folds, BB folds.SHOWDOWNtakemycash9 wins $600.A fish doesn't realize a flush is on board, a fish just naturally assumers his top pair is good, again how are you playing like a fish, calling a min bet with top pair weak kicker, when there is a good chance your good, thats really fishy.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------PRE-FLOP takemycash9 calls $150, SB calls $75, BB bets $350, takemycash9 calls $350, SB calls $350.FLOP [board cards 4S,6C,8S ]SB checks, BB bets $610 and is all-in, takemycash9 calls $544 and is all-in, SB folds.TURN [board cards 4S,6C,8S,JC ]RIVER [board cards 4S,6C,8S,JC,5S ]SHOWDOWNBB shows [ AC,QC ]takemycash9 shows [ 10S,KS ] takemycash9 wins $2,588.Again outside of the preflop play how are you playing fishy, you get all your money in as a favorite, two overs and a flush draw, that is a favorite over ace high. Not to mention the ridiculous pot odds you were getting. Honesty this is a great idea in principle, but start playing like a fish, start min betting everything or raising utg the k8 off, or plays like that, or calling allins with a2 preflop, or 22 preflop some fishes can't fold a pocket pair. Honestly if i were a fish I would be offended by how much you were misrepresenting me.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Ac,9d blinds 100/200PRE-FLOPUTG calls $200, UTG+1 calls $200, SB calls $100, takemycash9 checks.FLOP [board cards AH,9D,2S ]SB checks, takemycash9 checks,UTG bets $200, UTG+1 folds, SB folds, takemycash9 calls $200.TURN [board cards AH,9D,2S,3C ]takemycash9 checks, UTG bets $600, takemycash9 calls $600.RIVER [board cards AH,9D,2S,3C,KH ]takemycash9 checks, UTG bets $1,070 and is all-in, takemycash9 calls $1,070.SHOWDOWNUTG shows [ AC,4H ]takemycash9 shows [ 9C,AD ]takemycash9 wins $4,540.Uhh A9 on an a92 rainbow flop is pretty close to the nuts, seeing as the only thing beating you is a guy limping AA or 0r 99, or 22 so in this case its the fourth nuts. Thats generally gonna be the best hand, and something to keep in mind fish are too bad to slowplay, the don't understand the concept of it.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------PRE-FLOP takemycash9 calls $100, Brigster checks.FLOP [board cards 3S,2D,3C ]takemycash9 checks, BB checks.TURN [board cards 3S,2D,3C,6S ]takemycash9 checks, BB bets $400, takemycash9 calls $400.RIVER [board cards 3S,2D,3C,6S,3H ]takemycash9 checks, BB bets $400, takemycash9 bets $2,100, BB foldsSHOWDOWNtakemycash9 shows [ 4C,3D ]takemycash9 wins $3,700.Again FISH DON"T SLOWPLAY THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO. I think you are confusing playing like a fish, with playing ABC there is a huge difference. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ANTES/BLINDSSB posts blind ($500), takemycash9 posts blind ($1,000).PRE-FLOPSB bets $1,500, takemycash9 bets $4,866 and is all-in, SB calls $3,866.FLOP [board cards AC,JS,3S ]TURN [board cards AC,JS,3S,QC ]RIVER [board cards AC,JS,3S,QC,9S ]SHOWDOWNtakemycash9 shows [ 7D,AS ]jessiebabie shows [ 2S,2C ]takemycash9 wins $11,732That was not a fishy play, because with those blind levels and depending on how your opponent is playing pretty much any ace is an autopush. Not to mention your FE.

[NickTheKid 0]

Some of your moves weren't very fishy man(REMEMBER THIS IS NL): J,10 was a good enough bet to win the hand right there.Slowplaying top two pair in that situation isn't a bad move.

[Naismith 0]

Cut the guy a break! He's playing as badly as he can!You don't learn these things overnight. It takes time to regress if you want to do it right. You have to keep working at it. I recommend some good quality reading. Like the top-two-beats-trips kind of reading.Peace,Jay

[speedz99 145]

fish will bet, bet ,bet, then fold to a raise. or they will call the raise if they have Ace high/

I don't know about that. Most Fish I know are more of a calling station. They don't bet, bet, bet. They just call whatever you bet hoping to hit a hand.All good poker players have made bets at pots they don't have a piece of, or a bad piece of, jsut to see where they are or steal.

no . heres where your wronga good play on a crap board, depending on your position would be to throw out a feeler bet. etc.. I've seen fish bet out every single street, and then fold to a raise on the river.If your on a steal., your not going to take it down with a smaller then pot sized bet. fish dont understandthat.. they throw out half pot sized bets at the worst possible moments..

I love you Elisha.

[ckbandit 0]

Honestly if i were a fish I would be offended by how much you were misrepresenting me.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am offended. If you'd like me to tutor you in the ways of the fish, just transfer $20 into my account and start taking notes.

[Royal_Tour 0]

fish will bet, bet ,bet, then fold to a raise. or they will call the raise if they have Ace high/

I don't know about that. Most Fish I know are more of a calling station. They don't bet, bet, bet. They just call whatever you bet hoping to hit a hand.All good poker players have made bets at pots they don't have a piece of, or a bad piece of, jsut to see where they are or steal.

no . heres where your wronga good play on a crap board, depending on your position would be to throw out a feeler bet. etc.. I've seen fish bet out every single street, and then fold to a raise on the river.If your on a steal., your not going to take it down with a smaller then pot sized bet. fish dont understandthat.. they throw out half pot sized bets at the worst possible moments..

I love you Elisha.

lol.. your creeping me out speedz.

[Mattnxtc 0]

Cut the guy a break! He's playing as badly as he can!You don't learn these things overnight. It takes time to regress if you want to do it right. You have to keep working at it. I recommend some good quality reading. Like the top-two-beats-trips kind of reading.Peace,Jay

[SapphireTiger 0]

since when do fish NOT know how to slowplay. Fish slowplay like the dickens. they slowplay when the board is Ts Js Qs and they have pocket aces.

[majortato 0]

PRE-FLOP  takemycash9 calls $150, SB calls $75, BB bets $350, takemycash9 calls $350, SB calls $350.  FLOP [board cards 4S,6C,8S ]  SB checks, BB bets $610 and is all-in, takemycash9 calls $544 and is all-in, SB folds.  TURN [board cards 4S,6C,8S,JC ]  RIVER [board cards 4S,6C,8S,JC,5S ]  SHOWDOWN  BB shows [ AC,QC ]  takemycash9 shows [ 10S,KS ]  takemycash9 wins $2,588.  Again outside of the preflop play how are you playing fishy, you get all your money in as a favorite, two overs and a flush draw, that is a favorite over ace high. Not to mention the ridiculous pot odds you were getting. Honesty this is a great idea in principle, but start playing like a fish, start min betting everything or raising utg the k8 off, or plays like that, or calling allins with a2 preflop, or 22 preflop some fishes can't fold a pocket pair. Honestly if i were a fish I would be offended by how much you were misrepresenting me.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

He didn't know all the other guy had was Ace high. He's a huge underdog to 2P, trips, and Ace high flush draw. A small underdog to pocket pair over T. And virtually coin flip for all other situations. The preflop play was fishy, and after that, it was still fishy. It's true that a pro would probably make the same call due to size of pot after the flop, but how can you play it differently as a fish? fold? That's definitely not fishy. Sometimes fish get it correct accidentally. The point of this hand is he made the fishy play preflop and the flop was lucky for him. It couldn't have been played any fishier.

[missIdaho 1]

since when do fish NOT know how to slowplay.  Fish slowplay like the dickens.  they slowplay when the board is Ts Js Qs and they have pocket aces.

I agree Fish definitely know how to slow play. It makes them feel clever.

[DKE_XP120 0]

Didn't read the whole thing just the first couple hands, but a comment:Fish aren't generally aggressive. Even with large out draws they just check/call them or bet some low low amount. I saw a very sizable amount of betting, and that's simply not in a fish's nature. If you ever raise with anything below top set, then you're (probably) just playing good poker, not emulating weak play.

[PrtyPSux 0]

retaliation time

Seat 8: takemycash9 [JC,10H] 25/50 blindsPRE-FLOPUTG bets $100, UTG+1 calls $100, takemycash9 calls $100, MP2 calls $100, Button calls $100.FLOP [board cards 3D,6C,JH ]UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, takemycash9 bets $250, MP2 folds, everyone else foldsSHOWDOWNtakemycash9 wins $825.No offense, but outside of the questionable limp, how is betting top pair and fishy move, although your kicker is weak, if I limped j10 in sng's, which I don't do, I would defintley lead that flop.

ok dude, I think what you are confusing is a fish with a retard... fish DO bet top pair marginal kicker all the time, infact, a trickier play would be to check and induce a bluff w/ a safe card on the turn. fish bet quite often with marginal hands, what makes them fish though is that they lose a lot of bets when they drive people out of pots by betting decent hands....I got lucky caught top pair, was I not going to bet? wwfd? (what would fish do)-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Seat 8: takemycash9 [9D,KC] ($2,200 in chips) Blinds 25/50 PRE-FLOPtakemycash9 calls $50, UTG+1 calls $50, MP1 calls $50, SB calls $25, BB checks.FLOP [board cards 10S,KS,5S ]SB checks, BB checks, takemycash9 checks, UTG+1 bets $50, MP1 folds, SB folds,BB calls $50, takemycash9 calls $50.TURN [board cards 10S,KS,5S,10D ]BB checks, takemycash9 checks, UTG+1 checks.RIVER [board cards 10S,KS,5S,10D,8H ]BB checks, takemycash9 bets $200, UTG1 folds, BB folds.SHOWDOWNtakemycash9 wins $600.A fish doesn't realize a flush is on board, a fish just naturally assumers his top pair is good, again how are you playing like a fish, calling a min bet with top pair weak kicker, when there is a good chance your good, thats really fishy.

this one I said that my instinct got the best of me, and I didnt play like a fish..----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PRE-FLOP takemycash9 calls $150, SB calls $75, BB bets $350, takemycash9 calls $350, SB calls $350.FLOP [board cards 4S,6C,8S ]SB checks, BB bets $610 and is all-in, takemycash9 calls $544 and is all-in, SB folds.TURN [board cards 4S,6C,8S,JC ]RIVER [board cards 4S,6C,8S,JC,5S ]SHOWDOWNBB shows [ AC,QC ]takemycash9 shows [ 10S,KS ] takemycash9 wins $2,588.Again outside of the preflop play how are you playing fishy, you get all your money in as a favorite, two overs and a flush draw, that is a favorite over ace high. Not to mention the ridiculous pot odds you were getting. Honesty this is a great idea in principle, but start playing like a fish, start min betting everything or raising utg the k8 off, or plays like that, or calling allins with a2 preflop, or 22 preflop some fishes can't fold a pocket pair. Honestly if i were a fish I would be offended by how much you were misrepresenting me.

do you think I cared about the pot odds? who said fish dont sometimes do the mathematically correct play??? my fish brain saw a flush draw, my fish brain called..what would be the better fish play?? to fold? ....NIGGA PLEASE!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ac,9d blinds 100/200PRE-FLOPUTG calls $200, UTG+1 calls $200, SB calls $100, takemycash9 checks.FLOP [board cards AH,9D,2S ]SB checks, takemycash9 checks,UTG bets $200, UTG+1 folds, SB folds, takemycash9 calls $200.TURN [board cards AH,9D,2S,3C ]takemycash9 checks, UTG bets $600, takemycash9 calls $600.RIVER [board cards AH,9D,2S,3C,KH ]takemycash9 checks, UTG bets $1,070 and is all-in, takemycash9 calls $1,070.SHOWDOWNUTG shows [ AC,4H ]takemycash9 shows [ 9C,AD ]takemycash9 wins $4,540.Uhh A9 on an a92 rainbow flop is pretty close to the nuts, seeing as the only thing beating you is a guy limping AA or 0r 99, or 22 so in this case its the fourth nuts. Thats generally gonna be the best hand, and something to keep in mind fish are too bad to slowplay, the don't understand the concept of it.

ummm....dude..fish slow play aaaaaallll the time..------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PRE-FLOP takemycash9 calls $100, Brigster checks.FLOP [board cards 3S,2D,3C ]takemycash9 checks, BB checks.TURN [board cards 3S,2D,3C,6S ]takemycash9 checks, BB bets $400, takemycash9 calls $400.RIVER [board cards 3S,2D,3C,6S,3H ]takemycash9 checks, BB bets $400, takemycash9 bets $2,100, BB foldsSHOWDOWNtakemycash9 shows [ 4C,3D ]takemycash9 wins $3,700.Again FISH DON"T SLOWPLAY THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO. I think you are confusing playing like a fish, with playing ABC there is a huge difference.

yes they do..----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ANTES/BLINDSSB posts blind ($500), takemycash9 posts blind ($1,000).PRE-FLOPSB bets $1,500, takemycash9 bets $4,866 and is all-in, SB calls $3,866.FLOP [board cards AC,JS,3S ]TURN [board cards AC,JS,3S,QC ]RIVER [board cards AC,JS,3S,QC,9S ]SHOWDOWNtakemycash9 shows [ 7D,AS ]jessiebabie shows [ 2S,2C ]takemycash9 wins $11,732That was not a fishy play, because with those blind levels and depending on how your opponent is playing pretty much any ace is an autopush. Not to mention your FE.

again dude, fish sees A7 fish calls ...not a big dealok,,, to everyone else that says I'm not playing fishy enough, I think you guys are going waayy over the top with this. You are pretending a fish is a 97 year old lady that is making her leap from bridge with her hospital friends, to the 5dlr sit n go tables at pokerroom..here is my defenition of a fish: A fish saw Raymer win, then watched rounders, then started playing with his friends, never read a book never did anything other than learn from ESPN and rounders...a fish knows how to slowplay but doesnt do it good (check call,check call, check-allin), they always over play crappy or even decent hands ...a fish's wierd plays sometimes work, that is why you all complain all the time..all I'm trying to do is make people complain more :-)

[PrtyPSux 0]

best. experiment. ever.

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