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daniel n. to take on "neverwin" in a $500,000 matc


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fine if you guys are friends of 'neverwin' and are defending him or something. but i don't get the idolizing of him and similar internet poker gurus. with the amount of time you guys spend watching them play, reading articles on them, and in general being insanely jealous, you could be working on your own game. i find it interesting to watch and read about top level pros like DN, Ivey, etc - but not to the level of idolatry these online pros are receiving. i don't understand how vehemently some of you are defending a guy you've never met.daniel

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Son I talk to him online sometimes and hes a really nice guy thats why I'm defedning him, and I have seen him play enough to know he's very good. BTW, stfu with this jealousy, im not at all. I play 5-10 nl and 10-20 nl so don't go lecturing me about working on my game, is it that bad if i like watching good players play on occasion?Im done here so you probably shouldn't reply.

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I think Daniel has two huge advantages here, among others:1) He is comfortable playing poker for $500,000. Neverwin is getting a group of investors approaching a half dozen to play this event and putting up $200k of his own bankroll. Quite frankly he can't afford to lose and we all know what that does to your poker game.2) He has a significant experience advantage. Both at poker in general and at ultra high stakes poker. Neverwin MAY have a slight edge in terms of heads-up experience but Daniel seems to feel that he's shaken the rust of that part of his game so I wouldn't worry about it.Neverwin is not going to be one of Daniel's toughest opponents. I'd say that Daniel has the edge in this match.
Not to mention the game is being played at a casino and not online. You can get real good and make lots of money online but there's nothing like real casino experience, I'm not sure how much neverwin plays in person... Maybe he has tells or something? Who knows. Negraneau is a big favorite as far as I'm concerned.
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just let me know which play money table you'll be at and i'll direct my girlfriend who knows nothing about poker to meet you and proceed with the bloodbath.
Dude, I agree with what you've been saying, but you got called out on something that YOU started, so you oughta just step up instead of pushing it off with another lame insult. And post when you guys do it so we can watch.
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neverwin stands no chance, bottom line. I think Daniel should buy a ferrari with his winnings then watch neverwin play the low limits again....
NO CHANCE?Yeah I guess a guy that plays limit everyday and is a very good heads up player stands no chance.HAHAThis could go either way.But I like THE WOLFE
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just let me know which play money table you'll be at and i'll direct my girlfriend who knows nothing about poker to meet you and proceed with the bloodbath.
if ignorant is your game, send ur fat hairy wife to a play money sit and go and I'll ream her the only way i would, over the internet playing cards.
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fine if you guys are friends of 'neverwin' and are defending him or something. but i don't get the idolizing of him and similar internet poker gurus. with the amount of time you guys spend watching them play, reading articles on them, and in general being insanely jealous, you could be working on your own game. i find it interesting to watch and read about top level pros like DN, Ivey, etc - but not to the level of idolatry these online pros are receiving. i don't understand how vehemently some of you are defending a guy you've never met.daniel
Sounds a lot like how you guys treat DN.
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Could you argue that Daniel deserves a little more Credit than these Online Players?
Why? A lot of successful players are from the online gaming revolution.
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I'd like to make a point here: I'm not anti-DN or pro-DN. I just get sick of all the cockyness that goes on and all the "DN WILL OWN HIM! YO HE WILL DESTROY HIM! YOOOO!" DN isn't gods gift to poker, I'm sorry, it is totally possible for him to be beaten by whoever this guy is.For the most part, I lose respect for DN when he submits the immature posts with the little laughy emoticons regarding another player in the game just because they play online.

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I've seen some people mentioning that DN is dissing "internet whiz kids". I've never read that from DN. I think he is saying that these young internet players have a lot of experience in their sometimes short poker careers and that they play very well. What's wrong with calling them whiz kids? My 2 cents

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Could you argue that Daniel deserves a little more Credit than these Online Players?
You could argue anything you want.We will see what happens if they play.
so much anger... you act as if one game between these two would settle anything?
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Could you argue that Daniel deserves a little more Credit than these Online Players?
You could argue anything you want.We will see what happens if they play.
so much anger... you act as if one game between these two would settle anything?
I am certainly not angry.Basically all I am saying is if they play we will see what happens.It could go either way.One match proves nothing.I just think limit hold em is a crap shoot when played heads up.It is like playing Beer Di with 2 skilled players.A bounce here or there and it could go either way.I would love to play either of them and give them a spanking but don't sport that roll.
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I've seen some people mentioning that DN is dissing "internet whiz kids". I've never read that from DN. I think he is saying that these young internet players have a lot of experience in their sometimes short poker careers and that they play very well. What's wrong with calling them whiz kids? My 2 cents
Well you just gave your two cents to Jerry's kids buddy, if I may quote DN for a second here.
I saw the kid tonight. he dropped by to watch Barry amd me for a little while. Yet another limit hold'em internet whiz kid *sigh* :roll: :club:
I don't know if you can recognize sarcasm when you see it fort, but when you *sigh*, emote an EYE roll and laugh, that's the sign of someone showing a complete lack of respect of whoever he is referring too.
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Could you argue that Daniel deserves a little more Credit than these Online Players?
You could argue anything you want.We will see what happens if they play.
so much anger... you act as if one game between these two would settle anything?
I am certainly not angry.Basically all I am saying is if they play we will see what happens.It could go either way.One match proves nothing.I just think limit hold em is a crap shoot when played heads up.It is like playing Beer Di with 2 skilled players.A bounce here or there and it could go either way.I would love to play either of them and give them a spanking but don't sport that roll.
Yeah, I think we see these Limit HU matches the same :club: They really don't say much short-term. That's why I mentioned most players will be challening him in Limit HE
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Hi guys I am a regular on neverwins forum with over 350 posts on it. I think NW wants to play for 500k because he thinks he is gonna win and wants as big as score as possible. As far as who the favorite is, we all have no clue, except I would give the edge in reading to daniel. NW is an extremely agressive player and how well daniel can handle this agression will be the key to the match. NW is somewhat crazy and does honestly beleive he can beat any player. Yes he has beat Joe Cassidy and it is true thunder keller does not want him joining his heads up games on UB. I would still put my money on daniel because of his reading ability, if it was played on-line I probably would bet NW. BTW I would put the chance of this actually coming off at about 20%, when you have multiple backers there are too many iffs.

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Does DN really have to give these players all that much respect? Looking at the layout of the challenge the guy is probably the most confident player out there. How many players will play anyone at their game of choice for 500k? The challenge just shows how well rounded DN really is. DN also makes enough money that 500k isn't a huge deal to him. As much success as neverwin may have had it's not even close to DN's level yet. Also a major difference is the quality of players they each face on a daily basis. DN plays the best players in the world, he may not play HU as much as neverwin but I think the experience he does have is more valuable.

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Does DN really have to give these players all that much respect?Everyone deserves equal respect.
Equal respect in cards huh. So you would pull the same moves against a newbie as you would a pro?
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It's just common curtousy to give people the benefit of the doubt to be nice people. He's a card player, DN's a card player, just because he doesn't have DN's bankroll doesn't mean he deserves any less respect. Egotistical people like Daniel think it's okay I guess. That was his problem was with Annie Duke, ironic really.

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I wasn't specifically talking about neverwin for the respect. I'm sure the guy has his strengths. The thing about an ego is that it makes you feel that you are the best. If you are going into a HU match for 500k you should feel that way no matter what, and if you don't think so then you shouldn't be playing.

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Son I talk to him online sometimes and hes a really nice guy thats why I'm defedning him, and I have seen him play enough to know he's very good. BTW, stfu with this jealousy, im not at all. I play 5-10 nl and 10-20 nl so don't go lecturing me about working on my game, is it that bad if i like watching good players play on occasion?Im done here so you probably shouldn't reply.
i made it quite obvious that it is natural to enjoy watching good players. i was pointing out that some people, perhaps including yourself, take this too far. i'd bet "talk to him online sometimes" refers to saying nh as you railbird his games. you play high limits, way to go. that does not mean you are good. if you were good, you'd have said so and/or would implicitly belive in yourself and not feel the need to speak derogatorily.cheers,daniel
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