daniel n. to take on "neverwin" in a $500,000 matc

[pokepoke1967 0]

How much has he played live?

[Guest]

To those people who are saying that Neverwin is a significant dog to DN in a heads up LIMIT HE match are just flat out ignornant. Cmon, limit HE is pretty much just a card catching contest. Neverwin excels at HU & shorthanded play, he has seen every situation and scenario just as DN has due to the fact that he plays a ****ton online. It's a coinflip plain and simple.

[swtballa 0]

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[MJinCincy 0]

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Saying he's "only an internet player" is just plain incorrect.As far as the "whole bankroll" thing, I'm with ya on that one, but I think he's put himself in similar spots before . . .

[jamesfinch 0]

The link that was being posted earlier...thats talking about neverHEEBThey are completely different people, you'll notice neverWIN makes a post in the thread.

[Gator519 0]

first of all neverwin stands no chance against daniel. Neverwin is strictly an internet player with a limit bankroll. Yeah he has 200k of his own but he has investors for the rest, like someone else sadi earlier you know how it is when your whole bankroll is on the line.Neverwin is an online player, never plays cash games. This is where daniel will kill him....

never plays cash games? He lives 30 minutes from the commerce and is a regular in the 400-800 game. You should probably do some research before speaking on stuff you know nothing about.

[DanielNegreanu 141]

I saw the kid tonight. he dropped by to watch Barry amd me for a little while. Yet another limit hold'em internet whiz kid *sigh* :roll:

[swtballa 0]

first of all neverwin stands no chance against daniel. Neverwin is strictly an internet player with a limit bankroll. Yeah he has 200k of his own but he has investors for the rest, like someone else sadi earlier you know how it is when your whole bankroll is on the line.Neverwin is an online player, never plays cash games. This is where daniel will kill him....

never plays cash games? He lives 30 minutes from the commerce and is a regular in the 400-800 game. You should probably do some research before speaking on stuff you know nothing about.

what are you, his bed buddy? Ive seen him play online and he is nothing special, if he wants to go ahead and donate 500k to daniel thats awesome. Tough break for that guy cause when he loses he will probably be playing some 1/2 online.....

[TraptSteve 0]

I saw the kid tonight. he dropped by to watch Barry amd me for a little while. Yet another limit hold'em internet whiz kid *sigh* :roll:

Couple questions if I may ask:-What were the results of your game(s) with Barry? Games played, size of game, etc...-Are you going to give 'Neverwin' a game?Judging from your articles you seem to cluster young, internet based players in their own division. I personally play much more live games than online, so this is not a biased question. Just wondering if you have him pegged to a certain playing style and are comfortable playing against a player like him.Good luck with the WSOP. I know some people consider wishing a poker player good luck to be taboo, but I think you could handle it 8)

[jamesfinch 0]

A few quotes from over at neverwinpoker.com:

Hmm after reading that post on dn's site, and recolections from past experiences there, i have come to the conclusion that the site is full of inexperienced suck ups, who only support the one who has a better reputation (or more well known) or higher bankroll. Also more than 80% of the people would say DN would *DESTROY* anyone for any amount, regardless of the game, limit, or circumstances. Does this piss anyone else off? Sorta reminds me of 2+2

Yeah was going to mention about that dumbass posting about Dustin never playing live...but I have been beaten to the punch. Either way that forum is full of a bunch of donk dingle-berry cleaners anyways.

FORUM WAR!!!!!

[swtballa 0]

neverwin stands no chance, bottom line. I think Daniel should buy a ferrari with his winnings then watch neverwin play the low limits again....

[emineric 0]

first off, swt balla, you are an idiot. get your facts straight before making such categorically incorrect statements. neverwin, aka dustin woolf, plays live poker all the time, specifically 400/800. as for online, i've seen him twice bust a guy at UB's 300/600 HU table for 50k in about an hours time. he is a HU specialist and relentless in his betting. DN will have a very hard time putting him on a hand and i would put my money on dustin. everyone wonders why so many people are challenging daniel, and the typical response is their ego is too big. after daniel's challenge became public i don't think we need to do a poll on who has the biggest ego in the poker world. this might be a part of daniel's undoing, as he is likely to not take dustin as seriously as a BG, while dustin on the underhand seems to be covering his bases by talking to cassidy about daniel's game. unless daniel does the same, dustin already has the upper hand. you guys are giving daniel too much credit in these HU limit matches. looking at his log you can see that most serious poker players have played more hours of cash games in a week than daniel has all year. dustin on the other hand logs hours of HU holdem for high stakes every week. oh and don't worry about him feeling uncomfortable because there's a lot of money involved. this guy has a huge heart, believes in himself 100%, and as evidenced in the past is not afraid to put his entire roll on the line. if he fails he'll build himself back up, he's done it before. i can't wait for this matchup, especially the post game comments from daniel and neverwin on their respective sites. it should be a great match.

[swtballa 0]

neverwin will most likely lose...bottom line

[hotdog da 2rd 0]

there's no need to raise $500k. $200k is more than enough to play in the negreanu open. i think neverwin's just trying to put on a show here. ethier that or he's trying to freeroll in the HU battle. against daniel in HU limit holdem, i would have to give the edge to neverwin due to experience.

[swtballa 0]

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[hotdog da 2rd 0]

neverwin might have more experience at 300/600 yeah but not at 4000/8000. Thats what the blinds will be if they play for 500k right? Thats like me saying I am good at 5/10NL so im going to challenger someone to 75/150NL. It makes no sense to make such a big jump. Regardless is neverwin is better or not, he will be nervous playing a limit he has never played.

if you were a 5/10 nl HU specialist (who makes your living primarily playing HU) and the 75/150 nl player doesn't often play HU. yes, you will have the edge. if neverwin was nervous playing uncomfortable limits he wouldn't be playing 300-600 HU all the time at UB. there's a certain level in poker where players no longer view chips as money and 300-600 HU poker definitely qualifies.neverwin will have the edge same way cassidy has the edge, they've logged on too many HU hrs.

[EgyptianMagician 0]

I remember Daniel specifically saying that the internet whiz kids would prove to be a harder challenge than Barry. swt, you're making FCP look pretty bad.

[emineric 0]

dude you're not smart, please stop talking. if dustin let the size of the bets matter to him in a 500k freezeout he would be dumber than you(not quite sure if that's possible). i said in my last post you have zero clue what you're talking about and the more you speak the more you back that up. "daniel has played 4/8k, um, i think". yes dude, he has. this isn't a 4/8k cash game, stop making that correlation. if he's willing to put up 200k of his own money an 8k big bet isn't going to make him piss his pants.neverwin is not my boy, not by a long shot, i'm merely saying he's probably a favorite in a HU limit holdem match to 99.95% of the poker population. yes he's won and lost a ton of money playing poker, but he's a flat out BEAST HU, and i'm very interested to see(or hear about) how daniel handles his aggression. ps how's the micro limit tables treatin ya? oh you haven't saved enough from freerolls to risk your roll at the .01/.02 tables yet, have you now?

[swtballa 0]

dude you're not smart, please stop talking.  if dustin let the size of the bets matter to him in a 500k freezeout he would be dumber than you(not quite sure if that's possible).  i said in my last post you have zero clue what you're talking about and the more you speak the more you back that up.  "daniel has played 4/8k, um, i think".  yes dude, he has.  this isn't a 4/8k cash game, stop making that correlation.  if he's willing to put up 200k of his own money an 8k big bet isn't going to make him censored his pants.neverwin is not my boy, not by a long shot, i'm merely saying he's probably a favorite in a HU limit holdem match to 99.95% of the poker population.  yes he's won and lost a ton of money playing poker, but he's a flat out BEAST HU, and i'm very interested to see(or hear about) how daniel handles his aggression.  ps  how's the micro limit tables treatin ya?  oh you haven't saved enough from freerolls to risk your roll at the .01/.02 tables yet, have you now?

I will be more than happy to play you in some 5/10 NL or 10/20Nl on pokerstars anytime you want. Hemipowerswt is my name on poekrstars so anytime you care to play let me know.

[emineric 0]

just let me know which play money table you'll be at and i'll direct my girlfriend who knows nothing about poker to meet you and proceed with the bloodbath.

[Pokerghost2 0]

i think daniels heads up lim game is prolly coming around now, but u guys are way off base if u think hes a favorite against a heads up specialist. stop sucking up so much. daniel himself would prolly admit hes a small dog in this one. Dustin plays high limit hu every day.

[HRFC 0]

Who is neverwin?

Online 'pro' that plays on pokerstars quite a bit. High Limt Hold'em is his specialty. Has his own website at http://www.neverwinpoker.com/

Guys like this never show up........all talk and no show. Check around and see if he ever has played anyone in a real life match. Forgot the online bs as that can all be faked.

[CharlieBrody 0]

You guys all have your heads so far up your asses your not even thinking straightly. Daniel calls the guy another internet whiz kid which is just plain wrong. Like poeple said he plays the 400-800 often and he destroys people heads up when he's not on tilt and his game is on. No online is not fake or rigged, it is 100% legit you idiots. Neverwin has also destroyed Joe Cassidy in the past and obviously has played tons of more hands in limit holdem than daniel has. That is why, if, Never brings his A game he will put Daniel -400K in his little heads up challenge matches.

[theStork 0]

i've seen posts on this topic that say stakes don't matter. what a load of crap. if this guy plays 400/800, you honestly think 4k/8k is not going to affect him? look at the top players in the world and what happened when they played 100k/200k.everyone has their choke point. i don't even know who this guy is. i'll even give you that he's a better limit player than dn. but, i'll put my money on dn everytime because he is used to playing at this level. you read anything by any pro and you will see the same thing. for that matter, read some of brunson's stuff talking about golf bets. he routinely beat guys with much lower handicaps than his just because he raised the stakes outside of their comfort zone.

[MikeR 0]

I say Daniel should make a concession to the kid. Play at the Wynn, Danny's normal table, but have them both have their computers hooked up and play the match online.