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He misses me so he's trying to fill the void with a sugar substitute ( that's you suited )

I've had it.   He did not ****ing dispute the story   He made a statement about things that weren't in the ****ing story which means he confirmed the ****ing story.   Jesus Jumping Jimmeny Chris

he should throw a gay person off a building while he's there or kill someone for drawing a cartoon. really get into the spirit of being a muslim.

Except that house prices are rising due to lack of product meaning soon large house builders will begin large building cycle.

Pretending cost of lumber is the deciding factor in home building is like saying cost of silver determines whether you buy an iPhone.


A few years ago the cost of lumber rose because we were shipping our lumber overseas, because the people there offered more money.


By your logic the government should have put tariffs on lumber sales overseas to keep price for American consumers lower.



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Looks like the republicans caved again wrt to spending bill.


They have control of almost everything, and they just rolled over for the liberal/democrat spending wants.


There is a serious disconnect from what republicans say and what they do in Washington that the democrats only deal with on a minor level.


When Planned Parenthood becomes a lighting rod that mobilizes the base, and they demonstratively are a pass through of federal tax dollars being returned to democrats by the tens of millions of dollhairs, and the republicans continue to fund them while having a majority of both houses, it makes you see that it really isn't left vs right in this country, it's us vs them( politicians).


The excuses I've heard are that they are afraid of a government shut down, they always come out looking bad. But Trump has shown clearly that when you stand up to the liberal media, they are really a paper tiger.


It remains to be seen if Trump can drain the swamp in the republican party or not. There is a core of entrenched party power brokers who want to continue business as usual, while they siphon of their share that hurts the country as a whole and is a path to serious problems in the future for the country.



This is why Trump won though, the republican base is tired of politicians. Hopefully the democrat base will also rise up and find the balls to risk an election to put up someone who will put America first, party second. So far there are slim pickings on both sides of the aisle.

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I doubt it re: the Democrats.


Bernie Sanders was the last great hope, and he's going to be too old to run next time I think.

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Bernie was the last great hope...Dubey even for you that is a ridiculous statement. Hell not even Democrats thought he was good option, only a bunch of college kids and some worthless souls who could never take of themselves anyway. occupy whatever the flavor of the day is and so forth.


If Democrats were able to get a real candidate, not some kind of party bitch but a real person who use logic...they absolutely could win.


I know it I hard for you lefties to comprehend but that is the reason Trump is president - he wasn't the party....offer up a candidate that believes in working for a living, isn't blaming one group vs another, understands you have to have winners and losers, companies are important...the country isn't one huge handout, laws matter.


Nope libtards will double down with a more extreme version of what they have.

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Oh don't get me wrong, The Democrats will win the next election. Trump running the Republican party into the ground will pretty much ensure that. I just think the democrats are going to trot out a traditional party candidate, and not a good candidate like Bernie.


oh, and keep using "libtard", it definitely strengthens your position and absolutely does not make you sound like a braindead manchild.

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Trump is not shaping up to be an independent-minded president. At all.


He's a one-termer for sure at this point. His die-hards aren't even remotely enough to reelect him. He won by persuading a huge chunk of the country that he was going to go troll the shit out of Washington. That's why he won, no other reason. He has carried water for the establishment pretty much every day since inauguration.


Now, Gorka is out? Seriously? Bannon is probably next.


Does anyone know if there are open moneylines on a second term and how much I have to lay to buy "no"?


So far, the best thing Trump has done is appoint Tillerson. That guy is a ****ing savage and a Jungian archetype for the kind of man that ought to be Secretary of State in a world full of hostile monkeys. He made a flawless pick there. Tillerson is my spirit animal. When I'm presented with a complex situation, I think to myself "What would a man like Rex Tillerson do here?" and usually get the right answer.


Everyone else, not so much.

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I believe that most dems and repubs love their country. We can differ in our belief in the role of government, but America, there is no real division, it's the best country to us.



I don't believe it's remotely possible to say Trump is running the party into the ground, that's just silly.


Trump was elected because republicans are sick and tired of electing republicans who tell us what they are going to do, then do nothing. That's been a republican problem fro decades.


When Clinton was pres, Newt came up with the Contract for America. It got the house turned from Dem control to Repub control for the first time in over 50 years. They said we are going to do 10 things in the first 100 days.


And they did most of them, and the Republican base showed up to vote. Rush used to joke that Clinton was a R plant because the Rs made such huge strides during his presidency.



But now they are entrenched crooks a the trough of public money. the Dems aren't any better, but I'm not a Dem so their problems are theirs.



Trump is still in his infancy of his 1st term, wayyyy too early to say how it will be judged by the base in 2020.


Vetoing this spending bill would go a long way towards him cementing his base's love for him.


Even if it's turned over, it will show that he's on our side against a Washington cabal that is cancerous.



Do the Dems have someone in their camp who can put country first? If they do I don't know them, but after the political wisdom was trashed this last election, I don't think it's impossible to see someone on the Dem side I could vote for.


Plenty of pro-life, pro-gun, pro-business people in the dem camp, just need to see them emerge.


If not the dem party is sunk. The internet has usurped the media's power and no amount of Soros's money can prevent the truth from coming out about the corrupt cesspool of traditional politicians.


The pendulum is swinging right around the world ( except Canada apparently ) We'll see how the french election goes, but I wouldn't put my hopes on the EU being around for much longer.




Trump is still getting his feet in his office, but he is really good at bucking traditional wisdom, and he does it really really well. Look at the China relationship, you guys were whining about how ham fisted he was talking to the Taiwanese guy, and China is working more with us then they ever did under Obama wrt to NK.

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It's shocking to me that you still don't understand what has happened / is happening to your party.


You control the White House, the Senate, and the House yet have accomplished nothing. Why is that?


Because your party is incredibly fractured and is entirely built on nothing but 8 years of Obama hatred and complaints. The problem is Trump and the majority of the people he appointed, have zero clue how to actually govern or solve the problems facing our country. Nothing screamed that louder than the disaster that was trying to overturn Obamacare. It's easy to scream loudly about a problem, but not so easy to fix it.


You rely on old, white, uneducated voters who want to relive the Reagan years. That's sustainable right? Because they will live forever right? And our country definitely isn't becoming more diverse right? Just lots of old white people who are going to live forever. Got it.


But tell me more about how the Dems are sunk.

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As usual The Onion is great


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More from Goldman Sachs on the cost/impacts of Trump biz tax cuts



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Not only is the dem party fractured, they are failing at every levels.


The republicans have demonstrated they are the adult party, when they disagreed with the power, they formed the Tea Party, which solidified a political movement and elected people they wanted.


The democrats disagree and riot, cry, write stories about how Trump is Hitler, and invent stories about how Trump might do something that will destroy everything.


The republicans got sick of their party leaders, so they elected an outsider that sends a more powerful message that the power structure is fighting, but it will have to listen.


The democrats are smashing windows, dressing like isis, and turning all their circle jerk media outlets into platforms for an echo chamber which is being laughed at by the right because they are so clueless why they are hurting themselves even more than they already are hurt.



The right is filled with people who have solid mature ideas,and a leadership that is corrupt.


The left is filled with nutcases who have feelings based ideas that don't work, and a leadership that is corrupt ( being sued by their own base as we speak )


Pretending the sinking ship has an elephant on the bow is just causing more sand to fill your ears while your head is firmly planted in the sand.



Id rather work on a political party that is in charge of everything, then the one that is so completely whipped that they are arguing to import a group of people that actively kill gays and subjugate women because their only position they agree on is to hate the republicans.


It's the party of adults vs the party of hate.

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Ahh yes, let's review.


Party of "adults" - elected a man child President who throws Twitter temper tantrums whenever the media or anyone else criticizes him.


Party of "solid mature ideas" - have control over the WH, Senate, and House but have accomplished nothing meaningful in 100+ days. Epic failure in what should have been your easiest task - repealing Obamacare. Your party couldn't even agree on a viable alternative and opted to cobble together some dogshit excuse for a bill that never stood a chance.


Dems are the "party of hate" - you got us here. Our hatred of minorities, immigrants, feminism, gays, and education must have tipped you off.

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Your party may have the power now, but they don't know how to use it and thanks to Trump and your base, Republicans will become increasingly irrelevant with every passing election cycle.

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Our hatred of minorities, immigrants, feminism, gays, and education must have tipped you off.


Dems love them because they're part of the standard left wing coalition-building strategy.


"You're being oppressed, minorities, immigrants, women, gays... The reason you're not business owners and astronauts is because of OPPRESSION! We stand up to your oppressors! Vote for us! TO STOP OPPRESSION! WE WILL SET YOU FREE!"

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Dems had everything for 2 years in Obama's first term, including a compliant media which the republicans don't. They also are totally willing to forgive any actions including rape as long as you vote pro abortion, and completely supported Obama. Republicans shoot their wounded, and the cabal of Washington elite are fighting Trump.



What did Obama do in first 2 years? With all that power and willingness?


We're in the 4th month.



And after dems had complete control and a loved president, they have lost over 1,000 elected seats, lost control of house, senate, governorships, state houses, and soon the Supreme Court.



You are on the Titanic shouting at people in lifeboats about how small their ship is.


In the meantime, Chelsey Clinton is being propped up as the next big thing.



Good luck with that.

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Dems love them because they're part of the standard left wing coalition-building strategy.


"You're being oppressed, minorities, immigrants, women, gays... The reason you're not business owners and astronauts is because of OPPRESSION! We stand up to your oppressors! Vote for us! TO STOP OPPRESSION! WE WILL SET YOU FREE!"


All elections boil down to telling your people why you must vote for us to stop them.


Republicans for years used Communism. Then the Communist quit on us. Now they use terrorism.


Democrats decided to borrow from Marx's ideology and use class warfare to get elected.


They can't see past their own nose that eventually, they are going to bring in so many minorities, that the minorities won't need the democrats.


Now they are using violence as a legitimate political form of expression.



The Alt-right is largely made up of people that were tired of being called racist, so they are embracing the label and are mocking the left with it. Pepe the Frog, now the okay hand sign is racist...they are defusing the power of the term 'racist' by making everything racist. When the left can no longer depend on labels, they will become more violent, as the left historically always becomes.


It's ironic that the need for actual gun control is really only legitimately needed by the people screaming for it. Luckily the good guy are the ones fully armed.

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Sorry this post is off topic, but I just stopped by, saw an old friend and wanted to say hey:


Rob, how the hell have you been? Long time no see! Hope all is well and your still ripping your drives long and straight!




We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...

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Trump’s Steel Tariffs Are a Surefire Way to Hurt the Rust Belt



Tariffs would raise costs for steel-consuming industries, potentially killing a "massive amount of jobs."


U.S. President Donald Trump won the election on a campaign to bring back blue-collar jobs. Yet his moves to shield the steel industry may kill some of those very jobs.


Trump is mulling tariffs on steel to stem the tide cheap imports and “put steel back into the spine of this country.”


The math doesn’t work in his favor: For every U.S. steelworker, there are about 60 workers in steel-using industries.


Imposing steel tariffs would raise the price of heavy-grade steel that is not readily available in the domestic market. Those price increases may delay or even kill some pipeline construction projects.

And tariffs would make it easier for the domestic steel industry to raise prices, which could squeeze some steel-consuming industries, like U.S. automakers and heavy equipment manufacturers, that may not be able to pass those higher costs onto consumers.


“If no one is buying the cars made with North American steel, then the car maker and the steel company is going out of business,” said Terry Sweeney, vice president of A.J. Rose Manufacturing Co. of Avon, Ohio, which makes powertrain components for car engines and transmissions.


No one disputes that a glut of cheap steel in recent years has pushed down world prices. A metric tonne of steel in London reached a historic low of $90 last March, down from a record high of $1265 in June of 2008.


Steel producers and industry experts blame China’s state-owned mills for pumping out too much steel and selling it below cost in overseas markets – a practice known as dumping. Just the increase in China’s steelmaking capacity last year was more than twice as large as the total steelmaking capacity of the United Kingdom, according to Greenpeace.


China’s overcapacity has been a challenge for the United States and the European Union, both of which have failed to get China to turn off the spigot. The United States has imposed more than 190 duties on iron and steel products coming into the U.S. market. Meanwhile, the EU has sought commitments from China to cut its capacity in negotiations.


Seeking a new way to clip China’s wings, the Trump administration dusted off a little-used trade law to launch a probe into whether cheap steel imports are threatening U.S. national security. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, whose department must determine whether there is harm to national security, said the report could lead to sweeping tariffs meant to shore up the domestic industry.


The most recent such investigation by the department in 2001 found no harm to national security from certain steel and iron imports, and that less than 1% of domestic output would satisfy all national defense needs for these materials.

But the department has “very wide latitude to change the standard,” said Scott Lincicome, an international trade lawyer at the law firm White and Case LLP. “The law doesn’t establish mandatory criteria.”


Imposing steel tariffs would likely make life a little easier for overseas manufacturers of tractors, cranes and other heavy equipment, machine tools, and steel furniture, experts said. Their cheaper raw-materials costs may allow them to undercut domestic manufacturers of those same items, who may be forced to freeze hiring or layoff workers to stay afloat.


“You’re talking about a massive amount of jobs that are going to be killed as a result of this,” said Gordon Johnson, a managing director at Axiom Capital Management Inc. who tracks the steel industry.


It’s not idle speculation: The United States has been down this road before. In 2002, President George Bush imposed tariffs of 8 percent to 30 percent on a range of steel imports. Around 200,000 Americans lost their jobs due to higher steel prices that year–more than the 187,500 people employed in the steel industry itself, according to Trade Partnership WorldWide LLC, a consultancy commissioned by a coalition of steel-consuming companies to prepare the analysis. The tariffs, which Bush removed after only 18 months, played “a leading role” in pushing up steel prices, the study found.


The blow was felt acutely in the Rust Belt, where many heavy industries are concentrated. In 2002, Ohio and Michigan were the third and fourth hardest-hit states, losing 10,553 jobs and 9,829 jobs, respectively, due to higher steel prices, the study found. Meanwhile, Pennsylvania lost 8,400 jobs, the fifth-highest of any state.


Such states were a key part of the “Rust Belt” strategy that propelled Trump to the White House. He campaigned heavily in down-and-out communities in Appalachia and the Upper Midwest with vows to revive heavy industry and unlock America’s energy reserves.


In a press briefing to announce the probe, Ross acknowledged that higher steel costs would filter down to some manufacturers, saying it would be a subject of the Commerce Department’s report and calling it “a question of balancing one’s priorities.”


But he said, “the important question is protecting our defense needs, and we will do whatever is necessary to do that.”

The steel industry, meanwhile, downplays the potential harm to manufacturers across the economy, given what it sees as a concerted commercial assault by Beijing.


“Of course I’m concerned,” said David Taylor, the president of Pennsylvania Manufacturing Association in Harrisburg. “But the fact is, steelmaking is foundational to the rest of our economy. And it’s under attack. We, the United States, need to defend this industry.”


China’s industrial overcapacity in steel is “an existential threat” to the U.S. steel industry, while steel tariffs are “an inconvenience” to steel-consuming industries, argued Scott Paul, who heads the Alliance for American Manufacturing, which represents steel companies and steelworkers.


“It’s not going to have the kind of shocking impact they would lead you to believe,” he said.

Even some manufacturers see tariffs as an imperfect but necessary step to curb a predatory Chinese trade practice. Tariffs would be “a good thing for the country in the long run,” said Clete Cunningham, the president of Weldsale LCC, which manufactures welding tables and workbenches in Philadelphia.


“It would affect my bottom line, it may slow my hiring, but eventually the business will stabilize and things should go on as long as the tariffs are not excessive,” he said.


In parts of Pennsylvania and Ohio, a tougher U.S. position on Chinese trade — even if it brings some pain — will likely be well received by Trump voters, said Terry Madonna, who heads the Center for Politics and Public Affairs at Franklin and Marshall College in Lancaster, Pa.


But he acknowledged the move could be a mixed bag for his state, where hopes for reviving the economy rest on unlocking vast reserves of shale gas and transporting it to the East Coast for export. Natural gas “has become the new industry in which we can talk about industrial production,” Madonna said.


Pipelines for carrying large volumes of gas require thicker steel that is typically imported from abroad, and steel tariffs could doom such projects, according to Dr. J. Malcolm Gray, president of the Microalloyed Steel Institute, an industry advisory firm.


The six or seven pipeline projects under way to transport natural gas to the Atlantic coast require about 2 million tons of such heavy pipe, but only about half a million tons are available domestically, Gray said. With high steel tariffs, most of these projects will fail, he predicted.


U.S. steel producers could eventually produce the heavy-grade steel, but uncertainty over trade policies may discourage them from making the investments to retool their mills. “By the time they build it, Donald Trump is gone, and it will be a free-for-all again,” Gray said.


A.J. Rose Manufacturing relies mostly on European steel to make its powertrain components because American mills, which typically make steel from scrap, produce a material that is too variable for the precision parts his company manufactures, Sweeney said. U.S. steel producers don’t want to work with the company, which has $75 million in revenue, to fabricate steel to its specifications because it’s too small, he said.


“If the foreign steel got expensive it would make us less competitive,” he said.

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Sorry this post is off topic, but I just stopped by, saw an old friend and wanted to say hey:


Rob, how the hell have you been? Long time no see! Hope all is well and your still ripping your drives long and straight!




We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...


Hey Doug,


Shorter drives, better scores.


I still think of you when I see a cracker barrel.




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