scuudagouch 15 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 This is shocking...lol can't wait for the fake news folks to get started!!! Nothing to see here folks....what about Russia!!!! Maybe MSNBC will release a trump local tax return tonight to deflect! Link to post Share on other sites
scuudagouch 15 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 So Obama used the power of the federal government to spy on and attack its enemies and potential opponents, I am shocked... I mean it's not like he has a history of abuse of power Wait I forgot that was the standard operating procedure... Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 So Obama used the power of the federal government to spy on and attack its enemies and potential opponents, I am shocked... I mean it's not like he has a history of abuse of power Wait I forgot that was the standard operating procedure... I know reading is hard but please read the article before going all standard GOP false facts. Also, Nunes is bascially a Trump surrogate and a couple days ago said that he had never heard of Carter Page or Roger Stone which means he is either a massive liar or totally incompetent. Members of the Donald Trump transition team, possibly including Trump himself, were under U.S. government surveillance following November’s presidential election, House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) told reporters Wednesday. Nunes said the monitoring appeared to be done legally as a result of what's called "incidental collection," but said he was concerned because it was not related to the FBI’s investigation into Russia’s meddling in the election and was widely disseminated across the intelligence community. “I have seen intelligence reports that clearly show that the president-elect and his team were, I guess, at least monitored,” Nunes told reporters. “It looks to me like it was all legally collected, but it was essentially a lot of information on the president-elect and his transition team and what they were doing.” Nunes said he is heading to the White House later Wednesday to brief Trump on what he has learned, which he said came from “sources who thought that we should know it.” He said he was trying to get more information by Friday from the FBI, CIA and NSA. Nunes described the surveillance as most likely being “incidental collection.” This can occur when a person inside the United States communicates with a foreign target of U.S. surveillance. In such cases, the identities of U.S. citizens are supposed to be kept secret — but can be “unmasked” by intelligence officials under certain circumstances. Nunes said his new information appears to show that additional members of the Trump transition team — beyond former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — were unmasked. This means they were identified in U.S. intelligence reports. He said the information that he had seen and was disseminated across the intelligence community appeared to him to have "little or no apparent intelligence value." 1 Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 Joe ScarboroughVerified account @JoeNBC 1h1 hour ago If the Republican Party wants to do what is best for this country and its national security, they will remove Devin Nunes as Intel Chairman. Adam Schiff @RepAdamSchiff Today, Chairman Nunes shared information with WH still withheld from our committee. He cannot conduct a credible investigation this way. Link to post Share on other sites
scuudagouch 15 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Well then it seems we should both enjoy watching the results of this.... Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 So Obama used the power of the federal government to spy on and attack its enemies and potential opponents, I am shocked... I mean it's not like he has a history of abuse of power Wait I forgot that was the standard operating procedure... Look, we are on the same side. But I hardly see how spying on our allies like Germany's Merkel's cell phone, or subpoenaing James Rosen's parents phone records, or Netanyahu's phone conversations with sitting congressmen is any indicator that his administration actively spied on Trump. They passively spied on him sure...but that's just good politics. So let's hold off on making any accusations, just because the press has been reporting leaked proof of these taps for the last two months. and the head of the House Intelligence Committee says they had intercepts for 3 months. These are not proven enough to report them like the good reporting done by CNN that asked today if Trump is afraid of stairs. THAT's real reporting. THAT's what this country needs to know. Will bringing down Trump involve stairs or not? 94 months to go Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Joe ScarboroughVerified account @JoeNBC 1h1 hour ago If the Republican Party wants to do what is best for this country and its national security, they will remove Devin Nunes as Intel Chairman. Adam Schiff @RepAdamSchiff Today, Chairman Nunes shared information with WH still withheld from our committee. He cannot conduct a credible investigation this way. Once again. Democrats hate free and fair elections and want to circumvent the results of those free and fair elections by forcing their will on the voters. Let's remove an elected representative because something something Trump is hitler Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 Strong words from the former ethics lawyer for President Bush Richard W. Painter @RWPUSA FBI uncovering evidence of treason. There is no other word for it. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article139695453.html Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 BG's new argumentative tactic is turning every criticism of Trump into "Something something Trump is Hitler" It's mildly better than his "BUT RANDOM DEMOCRAT SAID X SO HYPOCRISY", but it's still boring already. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Remember when the bomb threats to Jewish centers were blamed on Trump supporters? Remember how Trump tweeted it might be a false flag? He was right. Something something Trump is Hitler Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Strong words from the former ethics lawyer for President Bush Richard W. Painter @RWPUSA FBI uncovering evidence of treason. There is no other word for it. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article139695453.html I think my favorite part in this story is pretending "bots" pushed news story links toward pro trump stories on twitter and Facebook. 2 sites that actively suppressed positive stories about trump and pushed pro hillary stories. 2 sites that shadow ban wrong think, while allowing terrorist recruiting videos. And the thing missing is that the stories about hillary and the dems turned out to be true; she was corrupt, they did cheat, they rigged their own nomination, Obama was born in Kenya. But the need to clutch pearls and grab onto anything that gives them hope Trump will be removed and Hillary will be put into the Oval Office is more important than truth because something something Trump is Hitler 1 Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 23, 2017 Author Share Posted March 23, 2017 Daniel W. Drezner@dandrezner 24m24 minutes ago Daniel W. Drezner Retweeted The Boston Globe If you think of Trump as a 10-year old pretending to be a president everything makes so much more sense. The Boston Globe @BostonGlobe Here are some photos of President Trump pretending to be a truck driver: http://bos.gl/w1KQcd7 Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 This is amazing. Trump as Gob Link to post Share on other sites
JustDoIt 10 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 I know reading is hard but please read the article before going all standard GOP false facts. Also, Nunes is bascially a Trump surrogate and a couple days ago said that he had never heard of Carter Page or Roger Stone which means he is either a massive liar or totally incompetent. We are in the early stages of this. Putting aside all the rhetoric etc. I have a question. You do agree that unmasking innocent american s caught in foreign surveillance is very serious? Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 We are in the early stages of this. Putting aside all the rhetoric etc. I have a question. You do agree that unmasking innocent american s caught in foreign surveillance is very serious? It depends on who sees the unmasked name and what any investigation shows. It actually is totally standard since the US Intel people need to know who the foreign agents are talking to. Take it away from politics for a moment and look at this scenario. US Intel is monitoring communication with known leaders of a foreign terrorist organization like Isis or the IRA. US citizen contacts those terrorist leaders. Of course that should prompt that US citizen being unmasked and investigated. Link to post Share on other sites
JustDoIt 10 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 It depends on who sees the unmasked name and what any investigation shows. It actually is totally standard since the US Intel people need to know who the foreign agents are talking to. Take it away from politics for a moment and look at this scenario. US Intel is monitoring communication with known leaders of a foreign terrorist organization like Isis or the IRA. US citizen contacts those terrorist leaders. Of course that should prompt that US citizen being unmasked and investigated. Each agency has people that are authorized to unmask american citizens caught up in foreign surveillance. The NSA has 20 people authorized to do this. For them to unmask a american citizen it has to meet FISA court standard minimization procedures. Those 20 people totally control that intelligence. If they send it to the FBI with 2 masked american s, the FBI cannot unmask those american's, the FBI must send it back to the NSA requesting that the 2 american's be unmasked. I will ask again, you do agree that american's that have been unmasked that did not meet FISA court standard minimization procedures is very serious. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 Josh Barro @jbarro 22m22 minutes ago Trump saved his biz career by shifting away from dealmaking toward marketing. Can't save your presidency that way. The Republican healthcare plan is failing because Trump is bad at making deals Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 Each agency has people that are authorized to unmask american citizens caught up in foreign surveillance. The NSA has 20 people authorized to do this. For them to unmask a american citizen it has to meet FISA court standard minimization procedures. Those 20 people totally control that intelligence. If they send it to the FBI with 2 masked american s, the FBI cannot unmask those american's, the FBI must send it back to the NSA requesting that the 2 american's be unmasked. I will ask again, you do agree that american's that have been unmasked that did not meet FISA court standard minimization procedures is very serious. Probably a fine line between meets the FISA court's standards and doesn't in some cases. A very serious problem ? Again that depends, but I'm sure I don't think it's as serious as you seem to. I'm actually very much for the use of information no matter where the source is. I don't have a problem with my privacy being breached by big government since there is no privacy in today's World. Also it looks like it was Pence. Palmer Report @PalmerReport 1h1 hour ago Mike Pence appears to be the "Donald Trump transition team" member caught on wiretap http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/mike-pence-appears-donald-trump-transition-team-member-caught-wiretap/2036/ … #TheResistance Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 Josh Barro @jbarro 22m22 minutes ago Trump saved his biz career by shifting away from dealmaking toward marketing. Can't save your presidency that way. The Republican healthcare plan is failing because Trump is bad at making deals Trump has never been good at dealsTrump is a highly successful businessman. But he is not, as he claims, a highly successful dealmaker. Trump is an incredibly talented, natural marketer. He was very good at convincing people they should want to buy Trump apartments, reasonably good at convincing people they should want to golf at Trump golf clubs, and for a time quite successful at getting people to want to watch Trump fire people on television. Trump innately understands certain kinds of consumers, and he understood things about the electorate that none of his opponents in the 2016 election did. There are reasons he won an election that nobody believed he could. He wasn't very good at convincing people they should want to buy Trump Steaks, but then, nobody bats one-thousand. We know from what we've seen of Trump's tax returns that he lost a great deal of money in the 1990s and that he was making a great deal of money by the mid-2000s. Not coincidentally, over this period Trump shifted the focus of his professional endeavors away from businesses that were heavy on dealmaking and toward businesses that were heavy on marketing, particularly arrangements where he would rent his name to somebody else who was actually in the business of developing real estate. Unfortunately, unlike the general endeavor of being a "famous, rich business guy," there is no way to adjust the presidency so it's heavier on the marketing aspects and lighter on the dealmaking aspects. It's a president's job to make deals. And Trump's lack of talent for dealmaking is going to be a major liability for him in office. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 I know reading is hard but please read the article before going all standard GOP false facts. Man, it takes an avalanche of dumb, for Bob to talk to a user like that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 so much winning "so far, I think I'm batting 100%" - Donald Trump, 3 days ago Link to post Share on other sites
GOCUBSGO 77 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 hahahahahahaha is all I have to say right now. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 Matthew Yglesias@mattyglesias 12m12 minutes ago oh my http://youtu.be/cChG52Zpedc Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Lol. So passive aggressive Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 It depends on who sees the unmasked name and what any investigation shows. It actually is totally standard since the US Intel people need to know who the foreign agents are talking to. Take it away from politics for a moment and look at this scenario. US Intel is monitoring communication with known leaders of a foreign terrorist organization like Isis or the IRA. US citizen contacts those terrorist leaders. Of course that should prompt that US citizen being unmasked and investigated. You do know this is identical logic that justifies torturing people? Sure action X is bad, but in this scenario we can see why it might be the best choice. The law says that a foreign national's phone can be bugged, but once the person on the other end of the line is identified as an American citizen, the continual recording/listening of this conversation requires a court order. I agree it's a stupid law, the government should be free to listen in on anyone they want to make us safe. Privacy laws are just what the terrorist want us to do! Then there is the pesky little fact that in this instance, Trump's campaign being surveillances not only continued the recording past their legal rights, they also then leaked these to the press. But stopping Trump is the important thing here, not laws, ethics or an out of control intelligence community. I'm old enough to remember when liberals thought the government spying on anyone outside of legal means was bad. But times change when something something Trump is Hitler Link to post Share on other sites
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