Scrim 115 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Could it be possible that the intelligence agency 'leakers' of the Russia intel on the various Trump actors are not a result of some deep state conspiracy, but rather the result of civic-nationalist patriots who don't want to see us subverted by a foreign power? Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 Could it be possible that the intelligence agency 'leakers' of the Russia intel on the various Trump actors are not a result of some deep state conspiracy, but rather the result of civic-nationalist patriots who don't want to see us subverted by a foreign power? that's why Deep Throat spilled the beans on Watergate, because of his civic mindedness Link to post Share on other sites
Scrim 115 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Look , I want to see us get along with Russia in a major way. We have a lot of shared interests with Russia and we'll need them on our side when we eventually default on our debt and are forced to nuke the Chinese but the 'tentacles' here into the executive branch are just way, way too much to stomach. As much as I want to get along with Russia, I don't want it so bad that its at the expensive of our ****ing sovereignty. Also, can anyone tell me what Reddit "gold" is good for? People keep giving it to me when I make comments but can it actually be 'spent' in some way? Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 more fake news Mark BermanVerified account @markberman 34m34 minutes ago Jared Kushner wanted to have a way for the Trump transition team and Russia to communicate without any monitoring http://wapo.st/2rHWqAt Hey Russia, We've been recording your conversations between your ambassador and your government! But we are willing to let you know that you need to change your communication methods because we need to bring down our president. It's for civic minded reasons. And it's just a felony that someone leaked national security. Even though it's not against the law to have back channel communications with another government, we do it with many governments, like Egypt. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 http://nypost.com/2017/05/26/how-team-obama-tried-to-hack-the-election/ Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 sigh Yannis KoutsomitisVerified account @YanniKouts 3h3 hours ago Merkel: We can't rely on the US anymore. I have experienced this in the last days. We Europeans should take destiny in our own hands. ~@BILD Yannis KoutsomitisVerified account @YanniKouts 1h1 hour ago Replying to @YanniKouts Here's the video of Merkel's speech in Munich saying that Europe can't rely on the US & the UK anymore and "must take destiny in own hands". Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 AM Joy w/Joy ReidVerified account @amjoyshow .@DAVIDFRUM on the supreme soviet goal since 1945 of severing the relationship between the U.S. and Germany #AMJoy https://twitter.com/...851156734193666 Richard N. HaassVerified account @RichardHaass 1h1 hour ago Merkel saying Europe cannot rely on others & needs to take matters into its own hands is a watershed-& what US has sought to avoid since WW2 ian bremmerVerified account @ianbremmer 22m22 minutes ago There's not been a statement like this from Germany in generations. Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 This is even more juicier..............the real scandal. Don't think this is going away. "Don't forget, Kushner pushed to fire Lewandowski/replace him w Manafort, fire Christie at transition & replace him w Pence, & to fire Comey" "Former Dep CIA director McLaughlin on Kushner: if an agency officer had done anything like this [lied on his security clearance declaration] we'd be trying them for espionage" -- complete? hyperbole but... Also: https://flipboard.com/@politico/-meet-the-real-jared-kushner/f-c6be26576e%2Fpolitico.com -- It's possible that many of the pro-Russia moves done by Trump are because of the whisperings of Kushner... Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 http://nypost.com/20...k-the-election/ Thanks to Circa News, we now know the National Security Agency under President Barack Obama routinely violated privacy protections while snooping through foreign intercepts involving US citizens — and failed to disclose the breaches, prompting the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court a month before the election to rebuke administration officials. -- Intercepting foreign communications is what the NSA does. Now if these intercepts were between Trump team members, domestically, then that's a whole different issue. So if you ignore the ant-Obama spin this basically admitting what the Trump team as talking to foreigner of interest. Which the whole point of the anti-Russia investigation. In short, Brennan politicized raw intelligence. In fact, he politicized the entire CIA. And Comney being pushed into releasing the "we are investigating the new patch of emails what are actually duplicates of the ones we already looked at" didn't politicize the FBI to even greater degree? Link to post Share on other sites
Essay21 2,385 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 AM Joy w/Joy ReidVerified account @amjoyshow .@DAVIDFRUM on the supreme soviet goal since 1945 of severing the relationship between the U.S. and Germany #AMJoy https://twitter.com/...851156734193666 Richard N. HaassVerified account @RichardHaass 1h1 hour ago Merkel saying Europe cannot rely on others & needs to take matters into its own hands is a watershed-& what US has sought to avoid since WW2 ian bremmerVerified account @ianbremmer 22m22 minutes ago There's not been a statement like this from Germany in generations. Why should I care about this? Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 Why should I care about this? Because the Atlantic Alliance has kept us from a catastrophic war Trump Remains a NATO Skeptic Instead, Trump harangued European leaders for letting in refugees and for not meeting the 2 percent defense-spending target. It should not have come as a surprise. Trump needs enemies but beating up on your rivals is hard. You may have to make good on your threats. Beating up on your friends is easier. Given the occasion, it took some rhetorical effort to avoid endorsing Article 5. Dissing Europeans while dedicating a monument to remember the 888 European, 158 Canadian, and 2,396 American troops who died in Afghanistan took some doing. Trump’s failure to personally endorse Article 5 may come to be one of the greatest diplomatic blunders made by an American president since World War II. We will not know for sure for some time. The thing about diplomatic mistakes is that they create new incentive structures that take a while to play out. Few noticed when Dean Acheson failed to include South Korea in the American defense perimeter until Kim Il Sung invaded six few months later. And no one paid much attention when April Glaspie, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, told Saddam Hussein that the United States had no interest in his border dispute with Kuwait until he invaded a week later. The problem is that Article 5 is ambiguous. It does not commit America to automatically defend a member state. It stipulates that each country should come to the aid of another with “such action as it deems necessary.” To compensate for this ambiguity, every American president has interpreted it as an automatic commitment to defend Europe from Russian aggression. This interpretation, combined with a credible military option, has functioned as an effective deterrent. Trump’s clear refusal fuels doubt about his commitment to defend Europe. There were other incidents on the trip. Gary Cohn, a senior White House official who is close to Trump, told reporters that the United States has no position on sanctions on Russia before later reversing himself. Donald Tusk, the president of the EU Council, acknowledged that the United States and the EU could not agree on Russia. And Russia was not even on the agenda at the NATO mini-summit, likely a futile gesture to appease Trump. This makes President Trump look weak and indecisive—weak because he is gutting America’s position of strength in Europe, and indecisive because his administration is at sixes and sevens on Article 5. Is he really in favor or opposed to it? No one knows for sure. And weakness and indecision can be provocative. The great risk is that Vladimir Putin will see an opportunity. In Trump, Putin has a president who is largely aligned with his worldview. But Putin’s problem is that Trump is constrained. He cannot deliver sanctions relief. He cannot deliver a new Yalta agreement to grant Russia a sphere of influence. He cannot even meet Putin for a one-on-one summit, such is the level of opposition in the United States. Why would Putin be satisfied with some warm words from Trump but no real deliverables? The key lies in understanding that a President Trump always had two advantages for Putin. One is that he might be able to make concessions that others would not. The other is that he may be a weaker adversary than the alternative. Putin may now be tempted to turn on Trump and put him to the test. He may try to accomplish something that cannot be undone by Trump’s successor. Breaking NATO would be the biggest prize he could imagine. This week’s debacle increases that risk. NATO would probably never recover if a member state invoked Article 5 and the United States did little or nothing. Mainstream elements in the Trump administration are acutely aware of this danger and they are working hard to remove the doubt created by the president. All other members of the national security team have come out in support of Article 5. Defense Secretary James Mattis has continued the troop deployments to the Baltics begun under President Obama. This and other operations ensure that a tripwire force of U.S. troops would be immediately entangled in a conflict in the event of a Russian invasion. But the test could come in other ways. It may be a more subtle form of hybrid war. The Pentagon is preparing for that, too, but Putin is resourceful. Ultimately, Trump is the commander-in-chief. What he thinks and what he believes matters. He has a 30-year track record of criticizing America’s alliances and being favorable toward Russia. The real risk lies less in his proactive attempts to revolutionize American foreign policy—he is too weak bureaucratically for that—and more in what he will not do at a time of crisis. We can hope that the Pentagon’s efforts to bolster deterrence will be enough. If they are, this trip will be recorded in history as a bit of a fiasco but little more than that. If it is not, and if Putin decides to truly test Trump, it be the opening page of a tragic story. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 Also this. Patrick Chovanec @prchovanec A lot of people seem sadly unaware of what the geopolitical purpose of NATO actually is. Hint: It's not just about the Russians. Maybe, just maybe, there are other geopolitical imperatives more important than (or even at odds with) our allies "pulling their fair share" Thesis: Germany and Japan "free riding" (to some extent) on US for defense is a feature, not a bug - and less costly to US in the long run. NATO is about Germany not feeling the need to take care of things themselves and dominate Europe since we know how that turned out the last couple times. Link to post Share on other sites
Fenxis 99 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 http://www.rawstory....ed-for-hillary/ ^ this guy has put 2 and 2 together Republicans in Oklahoma have cut taxes so much the government can't afford to educate kids 5 days a week After campaigning on not cutting medicate Trump is now looking to cut it by 43% Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 LOL, this is how they want the press to present Trump. Jay NordlingerVerified account @jaynordlinger 2h2 hours ago Jay Nordlinger Retweeted Philip Crowther This is really Dear Leader territory. It is -- I'm going to revive a McCarthyite term -- un-American. Philip CrowtherVerified account @PhilipinDC Leaving this here without comment. A senior administration official to reporters on Air Force One: Link to post Share on other sites
Scrim 115 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Thesis: Germany and Japan "free riding" (to some extent) on US for defense is a feature, not a bug - and less costly to US in the long run. This thesis only holds if we accept that Germany and Japan present the same level of danger to global instability that they did when we instituted the polices that saw us feeding them a free lunch. Obviously, they don't. Germans have been so culturally subverted, the master race is now hardly much more than a nation of cat ladies and band-camp sexual degenerates. Were it not for their overwhelming economic might and genius for engineering things, they could probably be conquered- as a people- by Albania. Japan is a threat to no one and has much bigger problems to deal with in the Orient. They're no threat to us. We should probably be working to INCREASE their military presence as a proxy force against the Chinese and North Koreans. Link to post Share on other sites
Scrim 115 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Also, what "the bankers" are now doing to countries like Greece (and soon, Italy, Spain and Portugal) via austerity measures is basically what they did to Germany during Weimar via currency manipulation. The EU cannot survive if core members are nothing more than debt slaves to the ECB, with Germany as the only one paying. Too many hungry mouths. If they impose austerity measures on the Italians (which they eventually must), that's the end. They will leave in a nanosecond. At that point, the commercial debt markets and a native currency are a much more lucrative alternative than receiving dictates from the "bankers" in Brussels. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 Rick WilsonVerified account @TheRickWilson 35m35 minutes ago Rick Wilson Retweeted Tommy Vietor "He invented the game of golf! His mere visit to a state farm increased the beet harvest 675%! He is descended from Zeus! Tommy VietorVerified account @TVietor08 Hope Hicks does a hilarious impression of North Korean propaganda in this quote to @AshleyRParker Link to post Share on other sites
scuudagouch 15 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 sigh Yannis Koutsomitis‏Verified account @YanniKouts 3h3 hours ago Merkel: We can't rely on the US anymore. I have experienced this in the last days. We Europeans should take destiny in our own hands. ~@BILD Yannis Koutsomitis‏Verified account @YanniKouts 1h1 hour ago Replying to @YanniKouts Here's the video of Merkel's speech in Munich saying that Europe can't rely on the US & the UK anymore and "must take destiny in own hands". Markell has an election in September and she is Obamas little girl, she has no options but to blame Trump. She lost her biggest partner in the failing EU when Britain said FU to the rest of socialist Europe. Oh and Bob stop whining and crying about NATO and the importance...if it matters Canada, France, Germany turkey Spain and the rest of you freeloaders would put your money where your mouth is....you can't have it both ways Link to post Share on other sites
Scrim 115 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 She lost her biggest partner in the failing EU when Britain said FU to the rest of socialist Europe. Do you think this is a turn by Britain towards an 'anti socialism' policy, like, they're going to abolish the same kind of national health plan that anti healthcare access advocates here insist will thrust into a socialist hell? Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 European men are largely emasculated, can you imagine a nation of British men who would allow Rotherham groomings to happen for a decade in any other time in history? Europe will have to go through a cycle of collapse to change the direction they are going. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Rick WilsonVerified account @TheRickWilson 35m35 minutes ago Rick Wilson Retweeted Tommy Vietor "He invented the game of golf! His mere visit to a state farm increased the beet harvest 675%! He is descended from Zeus! Tommy VietorVerified account @TVietor08 Hope Hicks does a hilarious impression of North Korean propaganda in this quote to @AshleyRParker Well the tiny crowds he had during his run for the job shows that this is just more liberal rewriting of reality. Nobody even likes this guy, No one I know voted for him, how did he get elected. People who voted for him are stupid inbreeds, vote for us next time....hello? hello? Is anyone listening? Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Thanks to Circa News, we now know the National Security Agency under President Barack Obama routinely violated privacy protections while snooping through foreign intercepts involving US citizens — and failed to disclose the breaches, prompting the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court a month before the election to rebuke administration officials. -- Intercepting foreign communications is what the NSA does. Now if these intercepts were between Trump team members, domestically, then that's a whole different issue. So if you ignore the ant-Obama spin this basically admitting what the Trump team as talking to foreigner of interest. Which the whole point of the anti-Russia investigation. I'll assume you are ignorant of US laws here. If the NSA is listening to a foriegn communication ( yes their job) the second they find out the person on the other end is a US citizen, they must stop all recordings, and delete the conversation. You stopped the bold text before the relevant part. Don't care if it makes sense or if it's the right thing to do, it is the law right now, they can't listen to US citizens talking to a foreigner. And Comney being pushed into releasing the "we are investigating the new patch of emails what are actually duplicates of the ones we already looked at" didn't politicize the FBI to even greater degree? Are you referring to Hillary's top aide when she was forwarding classified Emails to, a now convicted, sexual pervert? This was revealed when the sexual pervert in question was investigated. Explain how the republicans had a hand in the FBI investigating a sexual pervert with strong ties to the Democrat's front runner who rigged her own election during Obama's term in office? I mean other than being alive during this process? Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Also, what "the bankers" are now doing to countries like Greece (and soon, Italy, Spain and Portugal) via austerity measures is basically what they did to Germany during Weimar via currency manipulation. The EU cannot survive if core members are nothing more than debt slaves to the ECB, with Germany as the only one paying. Too many hungry mouths. If they impose austerity measures on the Italians (which they eventually must), that's the end. They will leave in a nanosecond. At that point, the commercial debt markets and a native currency are a much more lucrative alternative than receiving dictates from the "bankers" in Brussels. The worst result here will be the US banking system will be embolden to continue their chicaneries because the Euro will collapse leaving no alternative to the Dollar for a world benchmark currency. You can bet the debt will double again before anyone even considers being responsible with US spending. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 And another "We got him" fake news story goes down in flames. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/29/jared-kushner-didnt-suggest-russian-communications-channel-in-meeting-source-says.html Link to post Share on other sites
Scrim 115 Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 The IMF may add China's hoax currency to the international basket. Link to post Share on other sites
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