2016 Elections

[Scrim 115]

But you seem to be insinuating that people from Syria are particularly terrible and dangerous, even amongst Muslims, who are themselves particularly terrible and dangerous. You simply can't back up that claim with actual data, so you resort to using anecdotal evidence from horribly biased sources.

 

Wrong. There's polling data about Muslims in general.

 

Sorry.

 

http://www.thereligi...nion-polls.aspx

 

Now I'm sure in that entire library of polling data, there's probably some that are erratic or bad but there are credible sources galore to hang your hat on and the results are in.

Dangerously incompatible beliefs are commonplace enough in Islam that it warrants considering if we want to allow people from that civilization into our high trust civilization that has certain values they don't hold (and in many cases are hostilely opposed to).

 

We're seeing this play itself out in places in Europe that have taken in huge swathes of migrants from these regions who have gone on to essentially destroy wherever they live... and collect welfare forever. For example, in Sweden- one of the most lavish "Come For Free Stuff" states that is naturally the #1 target for most migrants, less than 1/2 of 1% of the 163,000 refugees who entered in 2015 found jobs.

 

https://www.thelocal...kers-found-jobs

 

They all collected social welfare benefits, though.

 

No worries, though! Race is just a social construct. Just ask these fine Parisians.

https://www.youtube....h?v=Et-6w_BDdc4

 

So the formula seems to be, if we just bring everyone from the 3rd world into the 1st world, it will be great because otherwise racism!

[Balloon guy 158]

If you laugh at other's people's death and despair and wish harm on other people, you are a terrible person.

 

remember that thing you said about how sometimes people on "your side" say undefendable things? This is one of those times.

 

So you admit that the result of migration from Muslims into Europe has resulted in death and despair?

 

I mean the only way he would be terrible for laughing at people dying and despairing is if it was happening.

 

If it's not, then he is laughing at great people joining their new countries and contributing to the furtherance of freedom and peace.

 

So which is it?

 

Are they dying and despairing due to Muslim immigration and he's terrible?

 

Or are you wrong for calling him terrible because nothing bad is happening in Europe?

[Balloon guy 158]

And it is terrible to laugh at these things happening at the frequency they are.

 

http://jewfacts.com/sweden-shocked-again-after-woman-raped-to-death-by-a-muslim-immigrant-from-somali/#

 

 

 

[brvheart 1,758]

I think you guys need to back off Dubey here. This is getting mean.

[Dubey 1,035]

 

 

So you admit that the result of migration from Muslims into Europe has resulted in death and despair?

 

I mean the only way he would be terrible for laughing at people dying and despairing is if it was happening.

 

If it's not, then he is laughing at great people joining their new countries and contributing to the furtherance of freedom and peace.

 

So which is it?

 

Are they dying and despairing due to Muslim immigration and he's terrible?

 

Or are you wrong for calling him terrible because nothing bad is happening in Europe?

 

 

lol. This is some incredibly backwards, twisted logic.

[SuitedAces21 2,723]

it's not dubey's fault the logic of the regressive left has twisted his mind in so many directions he can't think straight anymore. so i agree with my lord brvy, let's lay off this poor guy.

[Dubey 1,035]

 

 

So you admit that the result of migration from Muslims into Europe has resulted in death and despair?

 

I mean the only way he would be terrible for laughing at people dying and despairing is if it was happening.

 

If it's not, then he is laughing at great people joining their new countries and contributing to the furtherance of freedom and peace.

 

So which is it?

 

Are they dying and despairing due to Muslim immigration and he's terrible?

 

Or are you wrong for calling him terrible because nothing bad is happening in Europe?

 

I'm wasting my breath, and this should be incredibly clear, but I'll assume you are a simpleton for a minute and try to explain this to you.

 

 

There have been a few prominent terrorist attacks in Europe in the last couple of years which resulted in a lot of people dying. I acknowledge that these terrorist attacks were carried out by muslim terrorists. I do not deny that there exist bad muslim people in this world that want to do harm to western society. This is a fact, I do not deny it. This acknowledgement is not the same as agreeing that the correct answer is to stop all muslim people from entering our country. Is this difficult to understand?

 

Death and despair happened, Scuugadouche clearly expects the same to happen in Canada (I Disagree). He insinuated that "we laugh at Europe" over the death that has already occurred, and "I can laugh at Canada" when it happens there (in his eyes). This makes him a terrible person, go ahead and defend him some more.

 

I still get the sense that your entire existence in this thread is an elaborate troll job, and I already regret taking the time to type this post out.

[Scrim 115]

You're doing that thing where you go "I ACKNOWLEDGE (all these facts) BUT NEVERTHELESS WATCH ME ARGUE AGAINST ANYONE WHO TAKES THOSE SAME FACTS AND DRAWS A PERFECTLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION! BECAUSE RACISM!"

[Dubey 1,035]

You're doing that thing where you go "I ACKNOWLEDGE (all these facts) BUT NEVERTHELESS WATCH ME ARGUE AGAINST ANYONE WHO TAKES THOSE SAME FACTS AND DRAWS A PERFECTLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION! BECAUSE RACISM!"

 

You're (always) doing that thing where you ignore most of what was said and use it as an excuse to launch into one of your long winded rants.

 

Also, as usual, it's you guys bringing up racism more than anyone else.

[Balloon guy 158]

I think you guys need to back off Dubey here. This is getting mean.

 

He's the only lefty willing to argue.

 

No better show than 2 scorpions under a glass.

 

Besides, he's handles himself as most lefties do, I hardly see him as harmed by our banter.

 

However if he feels I've crossed the line, I'll try to hold back some of the rhetoric and go dialectic, which is boring btw because all the facts are on our side.

[Balloon guy 158]

I'm wasting my breath, and this should be incredibly clear, but I'll assume you are a simpleton for a minute and try to explain this to you.

 

 

There have been a few prominent terrorist attacks in Europe in the last couple of years which resulted in a lot of people dying. I acknowledge that these terrorist attacks were carried out by muslim terrorists. I do not deny that there exist bad muslim people in this world that want to do harm to western society. This is a fact, I do not deny it. This acknowledgement is not the same as agreeing that the correct answer is to stop all muslim people from entering our country. Is this difficult to understand?

 

Death and despair happened, Scuugadouche clearly expects the same to happen in Canada (I Disagree). He insinuated that "we laugh at Europe" over the death that has already occurred, and "I can laugh at Canada" when it happens there (in his eyes). This makes him a terrible person, go ahead and defend him some more.

 

I still get the sense that your entire existence in this thread is an elaborate troll job, and I already regret taking the time to type this post out.

 

There are trolls then there are trolls.

 

I'm the troll that trolls with bait to hook a fish then set the hook and watch him squirm.

 

The fish doesn't always acknowledge his fishness, but from a poker perspective you can understand that that's the nature of fish.

 

If we met in real life I'm sure we could play golf, poker, fish, whatever and you'd find me talking about politics much less than you I bet.

 

And I'm very respectful of other's opinions, have many liberal friends, atheist, even a couple Jews I think ( they're hard to spot ).

 

But on the interweb, I respond in kind mostly. Rhetoric for rhetoric, Dialect for dialect.

 

I also admit I can be a little overboard, but only because I like when people can dish it out and take it.

 

Say the word and I'll leave you alone, although you and I are practically carrying this thread.

 

Bob's turned into a hit and run artist.

 

Is Bravy right and am I too hard on you?

[Balloon guy 158]

I don't trust Cato Institute. Crazy libertarians.

 

[Balloon guy 158]

it's not dubey's fault the logic of the regressive left has twisted his mind in so many directions he can't think straight anymore. so i agree with my lord brvy, let's lay off this poor guy.

 

[Balloon guy 158]

NYT Opinion ‏@nytopinion 22m22 minutes ago

.@CatoInstitute: Risk of an American being killed in a terrorist attack by a refugee is 1 in 3.64 billion per year. http://nyti.ms/2cS6em8

 

Last year, not a single person was killed by an elephant in America, therefore, we can bring in thousands of elephants and let them lose, because science!

[Dubey 1,035]

Lol I don't talk politics in real life. And carry on, I can handle it.

[Balloon guy 158]

See Brave, We're adults and know that we can disagree and call each other names and its just something to do, like sewing, or hunting communist.

[Balloon guy 158]

Why Trump will win:

 

 

Donald and Hillary go into a bakery on the campaign trail. As soon as they enter the bakery, Hillary steals three pastries and puts them in her pocket.

She says to Donald, "See how clever I am? The owner didn't see anything and I don't even need to lie. I will definitely win the election."

Donald says to Hillary, "That's the typical dishonesty you have displayed throughout your entire life, trickery and deceit. I am going to show you an honest way to get the same result."

Donald goes to the owner of the bakery and says, "Give me a pastry and I will show you a magic trick."

Intrigued, the owner accepts and gives him a pastry.

Trump swallows it and asks for another one.

The owner gives him another one.

Then Donald asks for a third pastry and eats that, too.

The owner is starting to wonder where the magic trick is and asks, "What did you do with the pastries?"

Trump replies, "Look in Hillary's pocket"...

[Dubey 1,035]

I live in the most conservative area of Canada and everyone here is still way more liberal than most American liberals, so I'm rarely exposed to the ideals displayed in this thread.

[Balloon guy 158]

My travel buddy who I traveled to many places around the world is a Canadian and he says in Canada he is considered ultra-conservative and in America is considered liberal

[Scrim 115]

You're (always) doing that thing where you ignore most of what was said and use it as an excuse to launch into one of your long winded rants.

 

Also, as usual, it's you guys bringing up racism more than anyone else.

 

Not really. Allow me to demonstrate.

 

It's a hugely bad idea to bring in people from Africa or the Middle East into high-trust western societies. They're just incompatible with our culture. We can evaluate this based on everything we can observe, measure as far as things like crime, social safety net parasitism, even scarier things like terrorism. Although there will always be domestic extremists and most migrants from these areas aren't terrorists, there's no escaping the fairly obvious reality that bringing them in causes nothing but problems for virtually no reward or benefit. They aren't the same as people coming from Austria or the UK.

 

You: ?

[scuudagouch 15]

“Death and despair happened, Scuugadouche clearly expects the same to happen in Canada (I Disagree). He insinuated that "we laugh at Europe" over the death that has already occurred, and "I can laugh at Canada" when it happens there (in his eyes). This makes him a terrible person, go ahead and defend him some more.”

Dubey

 

I apologize but my quote tab on the web site isn’t working. I wasn’t clear enough, I didn’t intend to say I laugh at Europe or Canada for death or terrorism problems. That is not funny and I apologize for not being clearer.

I laugh at them over the failed policies, the open borders, the shared currency, their perceived social justice, the fact that have taken so many refugees they have become unstable, they are changing their own culture instead of requiring assimilation; the fact that Canada is so silly to trend towards thinking this is a good idea and the fact that Europe has turned itself into a bunch of pussies…the list goes on.

That is why I laugh at them. Not the terrorist activities, in fairness they are just a symptom of the problem but they are certainly not funny.

[FCP Bob 1,321]

[FCP Bob 1,321]

And this is a problem. The average person, actually the majority of people know nothing about trade policy and economics.

 

Trump last night for example talked about Mexico's VAT tax as being unfair to American exporters but it's a sales tax like the GST in Canada that is put on everything no matter where it comes from. Taxes like that don't effect trade at all so Trump either was lying about it or doesn't understand it.

 

Matthew Yglesias ‏@mattyglesias 7h7 hours ago

Trade is the only economic issue Trump cares about, but he doesn’t know anything about trade http://www.vox.com/2...rade-fact-check …

 

[scuudagouch 15]

Trump is an idiot, he just happens to less of crook then Hilary, it is pretty simple.

[scuudagouch 15]

I wonder what Mitt Romney was thinking last night watching that mess.