Dubey 1,035 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Other than the embarrassing hair, what makes him unfit? 1. His track record in the real world is troublesome. He plays fast and loose with other people's money. This may have worked out for him enough times to cover his losses, but that's over the long run. In an 8-year presidential term, it could be disastrous 2. He has incredibly thin skin and often results to childish insults when attacked. Hardly a good look for the most powerful man in the world. Definitely a bad look for someone with nuclear codes. 3. While it's true that the president has limited powers, and is only as smart as his advisors, Trump is a maglomaniac who not only has no idea how to run a country, he is too delusional to accept that he has no idea what he is doing. 4. moreso than even career politicians, he seems allergic to the truth in a really alarming way. 5. Has already alienated multiple world leaders. I can't imagine him having positive diplomatic relationships with anyone other than Putin. 6. more than anything, his words and actions have not indicated an understanding of anything regarding foreign policy, the economy etc... Maybe I am wrong, and he would end up being a great president. If that happens, it will be contrary to everything we have seen from him so far. I don't know why we should just assume that he will "figure it out" when all the evidence points to the contrary. edit: 7. This isn't really related to his ability to be a president, but I think a trump presidency would be disastrous for the American "Image" worldwide. We already have so many groups that have developed an intense hatred for western culture, and America is at the center of that hate. A trump presidency is just going to fan those flames. Terrorist organizations aren't even going to need propaganda to recruit new members, they can just show real video clips of Trump talking. The current "terrorism culture" wasn't brought on by failure to protect our borders, it was brought on by heinous actions by the USA on a worldwide level that spawned anti-western sentiment, that has been simmering for a long time now, and has now obviously got spun out of control by hateful organizations such as Al-Queda and now ISIS. Having somebody like Trump as the president is going to make the situation far worse IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Imagine the letter a President Trump would leave the loser who took over for him. James Cameron @CameronJJJ 10m10 minutes ago George H.W. Bush left this magnanimous, bipartisan & dignified note for Bill Clinton on January 20, 1993. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 We are indeed getting mugged on trade from every angle because the people who run countries like China aren't idiot sons, community organizers, politicians, ideologues or peanut farmers. That got me thinking on an only mildly related note, Deng Xiaoping has to be the most underrated figure of the 20th century, right? Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 He certainly saved China. I had a Chinese professor that taught an Econ class about the economies of India and China, and man did she love that dude. Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 That got me thinking on an only mildly related note, Deng Xiaoping has to be the most underrated figure of the 20th century, right? I doubt it. I've never even heard of the dude. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Scrim 115 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 1. His track record in the real world is troublesome. He plays fast and loose with other people's money. This may have worked out for him enough times to cover his losses, but that's over the long run. In an 8-year presidential term, it could be disastrous 2. He has incredibly thin skin and often results to childish insults when attacked. Hardly a good look for the most powerful man in the world. Definitely a bad look for someone with nuclear codes. 3. While it's true that the president has limited powers, and is only as smart as his advisors, Trump is a maglomaniac who not only has no idea how to run a country, he is too delusional to accept that he has no idea what he is doing. 4. moreso than even career politicians, he seems allergic to the truth in a really alarming way. 5. Has already alienated multiple world leaders. I can't imagine him having positive diplomatic relationships with anyone other than Putin. 6. more than anything, his words and actions have not indicated an understanding of anything regarding foreign policy, the economy etc... Maybe I am wrong, and he would end up being a great president. If that happens, it will be contrary to everything we have seen from him so far. I don't know why we should just assume that he will "figure it out" when all the evidence points to the contrary. edit: 7. This isn't really related to his ability to be a president, but I think a trump presidency would be disastrous for the American "Image" worldwide. We already have so many groups that have developed an intense hatred for western culture, and America is at the center of that hate. A trump presidency is just going to fan those flames. Terrorist organizations aren't even going to need propaganda to recruit new members, they can just show real video clips of Trump talking. The current "terrorism culture" wasn't brought on by failure to protect our borders, it was brought on by heinous actions by the USA on a worldwide level that spawned anti-western sentiment, that has been simmering for a long time now, and has now obviously got spun out of control by hateful organizations such as Al-Queda and now ISIS. Having somebody like Trump as the president is going to make the situation far worse IMO. His track record in the real world speaks for itself. His personal evaluation of his net worth might be overstated, but he's likely at least a self-made billionaire. The thing with entrepreneurs is that they have failures. It's part of the game. If Warren Buffett were running against Bernie Sanders, the narrative from the left would be all about Dexter Shoes. The funny thing about critics is that it's not like they criticze the failures of others in light of their own obvious success or insight. It's not like Hillary Clinton can say "Hey, Trump, you had that casino that went into Chapter reorganization... What a bum! Here's what I've done in the business world..." He does have thin skin, but the idea that he's going to nuke anyone because he was 'insulted' is beyond histrionic. I actually prefer a president with at least some temper. Putin rolled into Ukraine because he made an accurate estimate on the man in the American White House. This also goes to your #5, #6 & #7. The American "image" worldwide is one of decline. Of fundamental weakness with occasional bouts of bullying. Our image couldn't be any worse. Idealists and lefties think the way to get a 'good image worldwide' is to just write lots of checks, appease people, speak in a soothing voice and worry about everyone's 'feelings'. It's basically the formula for "How to be a Weak, Shitty Parent and Raise a Loser Child", only applied on a global level. The American image and reputation at its zenith was based on strength. It was based on integrity and pissing off the right people, not trying to find an impossible consensus with everyone. Trump is the wildly preferable man in this regard. As far as terrorists go, this is what Trump has on everyone. We need a solid 2-3 decades of "Who cares, **** the rest of you, time to act in our own interests, you deal with your problems, we'll deal with ours". Trump brings "...and if you threaten us, we'll ruin you and absolutely everything around you and everyone in it and if that 'creates more terrorists', it's just more bomb targets for us". Link to post Share on other sites
Scrim 115 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 That got me thinking on an only mildly related note, Deng Xiaoping has to be the most underrated figure of the 20th century, right? Absolutely. The only reason he's underrated in the west is because we're still naive to what he actually pulled off, as far as turning his country into the default manufacturing hub of the planet. The wealth over there right now is unreal. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Trump has been good at building the Trump brand. How good he is as a manager or running businesses is open to question. He for sure isn't self made. He's the son of what was one of the richest real estate developers in New York. The fact that he is willing to whore his name onto things like steaks puts into question how much money he really has. For example he claims a New York tax break that is only available to those with an income of less than $500K per year. Mark Cuban has made a point of showing that he isn't very liquid based on his filings with the Federal Election Commission where his cash and marketable securities are around $100 million. There is no doubt that he has control over more than $1 Billion in assets but how much has been borrowed against his real estate assets I don't think is known. He for sure doesn't have the money to self fund a campaign and he's actively courting the usual suspect large donors just like every other politician. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 can't wait to see how the tragedy in Orlando gets politicized. i'm sure the talking points will be logical and level headed. Link to post Share on other sites
Scrim 115 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 My favorite part is how the left is at once both Pro LGBT and Pro Islamic Immigration and thinks the real problem is 'gun laws'. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 My favorite part is how the left is at once both Pro LGBT and Pro Islamic Immigration and thinks the real problem is 'gun laws'. Sorry, I don't see how those 2 things are mutually exclusive. USA has a gun problem. There is no other country in the world that is even in the same stratosphere as the USA with regard to gun deaths and mass shootings. Is it fixable? I have no idea, the whole system might be so fked and there might be so many guns on the market now that it is not fixable. Does that mean that you shouldn't even try to fix it? I don't think so. But people get so damn squirrely at the mere mention of gun control, and the NRA has most politicians in their pocket. I don't know how any change can ever happen in this system. 998 mass shootings since Sandy Hook in December 2012. That is downright embarrassing for any nation, let alone one that considers itself the greatest country on Earth. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Sorry, I don't see how those 2 things are mutually exclusive. they aren't mutually exclusive but they are difficult. There are 5 or 6 Muslim countries that have the death penalty for being Gay and in every country including Canada and the US the majority of Muslims are anti-Gay rights at the very least. This mass shooting is a combination of a whack job who hates Gay people and uses his Muslim faith as justification along with that whack job being able to legally get guns far too easily. You can be on the no fly list but that doesn't stop you from being able to buy guns legally. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 My favorite part is how the left is at once both Pro LGBT and Pro Islamic Immigration and thinks the real problem is 'gun laws'. it's really good proof that the left in america is going to argue for any side they perceive white people to be against. somehow they've convinced themselves people speaking out against islam is the evil white man putting down another brown people. it's amazingly contradictory of the left, and i find it hilarious. that's not to say that america doesnt have too many guns. but i'll bet more than 50 black people are murdered in chicago this month, most probably with guns, but that's just business as usual so who cares. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I can still be pro LGBT rights and be against banning anyone who is anti-gay from entering the country. The majority of mass shootings are carried out by young white Males with a mental illness. This particular shooting was performed by a young, mentally unstable Muslim man. Why is it so easy for mentally unstable people to get their hands on weapons of war. You can make this issue about Race, immigration and religion, and maybe in this one particular instance you would be partially right, but as long as it is simple to get your hands on a semi-automatic rifle that shoots 52 rounds per minute and all the ammo you could possibly need, this problem is going absolutely nowhere. America is going to keep averaging 1 mass shooting per day. Politicians are going to keep getting paid off by the NRA, Americans are going to keep flipping out at the mere mention of taking their guns away, and nothing is going to change. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 it's really good proof that the left in america is going to argue for any side they perceive white people to be against. somehow they've convinced themselves people speaking out against islam is the evil white man putting down another brown people. it's amazingly contradictory of the left, and i find it hilarious. This isn't about left and right. The whole left vs. right thing is so juvenile and toxic to preventing any kind of serious change. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Classifying mass shooters as mentally ill is ablest. It Stigmatizes and stereotypes the mentally ill as violent, when they are much more likely to be the victims of violence than than the perpetrators of it. ( that was a real argument I've seen on twitter the past few days, by the crazy people i follow.) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 The numbers of private gun ownership for personal defense would absolutely skyrocket if there were an average of 1 mass shooting per day in the USA. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 The numbers of private gun ownership for personal defense would absolutely skyrocket if there were an average of 1 mass shooting per day in the USA. http://www.vox.com/a/mass-shootings-calendar-june-2016 Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 That's a completely dishonest statistic. Do you REALLY think there have been 133 mass shootings in 2016? You do realize that would make the USA a war zone, right? Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Depends how you define Mass shooting. That one is 4 or more people, not including the gunman, injured or killed by gunshots in a single occurance. by the same metrics, Canada has 7 in the last 20 years. USA has 998 in the last 3 years. This shit simply does not happen in other civilized countries. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 It does include the gunman though. It also includes incidents where the only firearms present were in the hands of law enforcement and nobody would define those firearm incidents as mass shootings. Rampage style shootings are a vary rare occurrence in this country. Just sayin. Link to post Share on other sites
Dubey 1,035 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Very rare yet also more prevalent than in any other country on earth. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I don't know about the number of rampage shootings in Mexico, Indonesia, Libya...etc but I don't think that matters. I do know there are too many rampage style murders here in the United States. I don't have a realistic answer to curb violence, gun or otherwise, because humans are violent animals. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 The Onion @TheOnion 9h9 hours ago U.N. Warns Trump May Be 7 Months Away From Acquiring Nuclear Weapons http://onion.com/28CdLbr Link to post Share on other sites
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