2016 Elections

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

I disagree with this a lot. Being an extremely successful businessman is light years better than an ex-B-List comic.

 

 

 

According to the Worthington Law, maybe.

[brvheart 1,752]

According to the Worthington Law, maybe.

 

Sure. But millions of people actually believe that.

 

 

If you polled the country and asked them who would they trust more to run the country:

 

Random billionaire or Bill Maher

 

Random billionaire would get like 90% of the vote.

 

And the thing is, I really believe that you could switch out anyone, other than maybe Jon Stewart, and random billionaire would get like 90%.

[mrdannyg 274]

BG, I don't mean about starting/voting a third party. I mean the type of discussion that happens within a candidate's supporters as to the best/appropriateness of policies. In general, I would say that conservatives are more of a 'team' approach compared to the constant in-fighting among the left, but that is clearly not true of this election. At the beginning of this cycle, the right was obviously the farthest possible thing from a team (IMO, this is a compliment). It seems like an obvious thing to say of the candidate who more or less stomped the shit out of 16 opponents, but it just seems like once you decided you were for Trump, that was your team and no amount of ridiculous, impossible or contradictory statements could change that. I don't know anyone who was pro-Trump and changed their mind, though I certainly know plenty that were pro-someone else and changed (even if their candidate wasn't eliminated). Again, there's probably a crapton of confirmation bias there.

[BigDMcGee 3,352]

Sure. But millions of people actually believe that.

 

 

If you polled the country and asked them who would they trust more to run the country:

 

Random billionaire or Bill Maher

 

Random billionaire would get like 90% of the vote.

 

And the thing is, I really believe that you could switch out anyone, other than maybe Jon Stewart, and random billionaire would get like 90%.

 

I'm not talking about a random billionare. I'm talking about Donald Trump

[Balloon guy 158]

BG, I don't mean about starting/voting a third party. I mean the type of discussion that happens within a candidate's supporters as to the best/appropriateness of policies. In general, I would say that conservatives are more of a 'team' approach compared to the constant in-fighting among the left, but that is clearly not true of this election. At the beginning of this cycle, the right was obviously the farthest possible thing from a team (IMO, this is a compliment). It seems like an obvious thing to say of the candidate who more or less stomped the shit out of 16 opponents, but it just seems like once you decided you were for Trump, that was your team and no amount of ridiculous, impossible or contradictory statements could change that. I don't know anyone who was pro-Trump and changed their mind, though I certainly know plenty that were pro-someone else and changed (even if their candidate wasn't eliminated). Again, there's probably a crapton of confirmation bias there.

 

Well its true that in politics (and sports) you get on a team and will ignore all proof that your side is wrong. New England supporters still support the Patriots even though they are cheaters....

 

But I could say the same for Bernie supporters, that they are for either: Free college, legal pot, or taxing rich. Or a combination of all three. They could care less about history of socialism, about Bernie's career, or about the likelihood that any of those things will come to pass if he's elected. His wife bankrupts a college with poor leadership, and hasn't turned over his tax returns, but only Trump is accused of hiding something.

 

Trump jumped to the front and stayed there by talking about illegal immigration. Something most American's are concerned about. The notion that the richest, strongest and best country in the world cannot control it's own borders is baloney. The establishment republicans have talked about controlling the border, but nothing, nothing has been done. If Bush, or Rubio, or Cruz had actually done anything to control out borders, Trump would have failed.

 

Add to that that the press votes 85%+ democrats, not a single reporter on the WH press pool is a republican, that the leads of many news shows are former democrat operatives, and you can understand why Trump supporters don't buy what they report.

 

I've heard Trump, I've followed him, he's not a racist, but that's the narrative forced down the public's throat. Many of the left just hear that and buy it lock stock and barrel.

 

Once you recognize he's not a racist, nor a sexist, then you realize all those stories that he is are just propaganda.

 

Small wonder why anything else they say is ignored.

[JubilantLankyLad 1,957]

I'm not talking about a random billionare. I'm talking about Donald Trump

 

so, not random, not a billionaire. gotcha.

[mrfritz 884]

Crooked Hillary/ Al Franken

 

Trump/ Tom Brady

[InternetExplorer 2,609]

Democrats have almost no chance of starting a third party, the Republicans put Clinton in office twice by trying to start a legitimate 3rd party that siphoned off 19% of the vote for the republicans and gave Clinton the white house.

 

top comment is a semi-balanced take on the issue. I don't think the dems have had better candidates, just revolutionary campaigners. Look at the stuff from the Clinton campaign in Spin (

) or The War Room (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXZdaP4SvD0). Obama also made better use of technology and stuff like the colored artwork to dispatch McCain and Romney.

 

I think Trump is going to murder Hillary in the same way he murdered all the rest of the standard candidates, and I'm going to love every minute of it. I think she has the ability to adapt and make a serious race out of it, but it will be an uphill battle to shake off the 'status quo' label he will apply to her. I hope that he doesn't erode the system in worse ways than some of his predecessors, but I think he has enough business sense to do a decent amount of offsetting good.

 

it is plausible that Trump has lied about his net worth to fend off his creditors. I don't see that as a negative. it's all a huge poker game, and I'd like our guy to have the ability to represent a hand. unrelated, I really enjoyed the line, "I inherited $1 million and I turned it into $10 billion more than anyone else on this stage has."

[brvheart 1,752]

I mean, there is a near zero chance that Trump has less than 1 billion. He almost certainly has nothing close to 10 billion, and might not even have the 4.5 billion that Forbes and Google claim he has... but he definitely has more than a billion.

[Balloon guy 158]

https://www.reddit.c...linton_win_due/

 

top comment is a semi-balanced take on the issue. I don't think the dems have had better candidates, just revolutionary campaigners. Look at the stuff from the Clinton campaign in Spin (

) or The War Room (https://www.youtube....h?v=lXZdaP4SvD0). Obama also made better use of technology and stuff like the colored artwork to dispatch McCain and Romney.

 

I'm not sure that the republicans are not just completely inept when it comes to running national campaigns. Bush winning against Algore was probably the last decent campaign, and had Algore just begged Clinton to stand on stage he probably would have won.

 

Bush vs Kerry, Come on, Lurch is a tree trunk. If you can't beat a tree trunk who marries women for money you don't deserve your man card.

 

Obama 1 to be honest I think the Dems could have saved about $500million on ads because the country was tired of Bush/war/republicans and the first black guy was a cool thing. I didn't like the guy and still thought it was a good thing that a black guy got elected. But McCain demanded they run a clean campaign...that was stupid.

 

Romney was also too stupid to go after the ball. This whole gentler kinder conservative thing was dumb.

 

 

So I don't know that the dems have had better, as much as they've been up against worse.

 

I think Trump is going to murder Hillary in the same way he murdered all the rest of the standard candidates, and I'm going to love every minute of it. I think she has the ability to adapt and make a serious race out of it, but it will be an uphill battle to shake off the 'status quo' label he will apply to her. I hope that he doesn't erode the system in worse ways than some of his predecessors, but I think he has enough business sense to do a decent amount of offsetting good.

 

 

Hillary will be reduced to a screaming caricature of a beaten bully crying how it wasn't fair. Unless she arranges Bill to get shot for the sympathy vote, which is probably already planned, she's a guarantee loser. Which is why the dems will beg Biden to come in if they have any desire to be in the WH.

 

Funny how no one even really considers Bernie. He's such a side show freak that we all know he can't win

[brvheart 1,752]

Man, I'm so glad Romney didn't win.

[Balloon guy 158]

I mean, there is a near zero chance that Trump has less than 1 billion. He almost certainly has nothing close to 10 billion, and might not even have the 4.5 billion that Forbes and Google claim he has... but he definitely has more than a billion.

 

Not sure how you are so sure Forbes and Google 'might' be wrong.

 

Net worth is a weird thing. If he gets hit by a defective bus and the lawyers figure out his worth, I bet $10b would be closer than $4.5b counting future income etc.

 

Not sure why it matters much, after the first $Billion, they say it's all them same.

[Balloon guy 158]

Man, I'm so glad Romney didn't win.

 

It actually would have been better for Hillary because I don't think Romney would have spent $100billion a month buying treasury bills to prop up the stock market, giving us the illusion of a good economy (with stagnant growth)

 

The real financial cure of cutting government dramatically, would have been distorted by the press to make it look like Romney is enriching his rich buddies, when in fact he would be trying to shore up the foundational wealth of this country.

 

But probably too late now no matter what ( unless we can invent another interweb, or fusion power or something ) I have a bleak outlook on the future for the country's economy. Banks are going to have to fail, jobs are going to be lost, then the rest of the world will quickly learn how much we've been supporting their economies with our military that they hate.I should probably quit reading Austrian economist...

[FCP Bob 1,312]

I think Gary Johnson and the Libertarians are going to be interesting this time

 

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21699452-gary-johnson-could-launch-libertarians-big-third-party-run-guns-weed-and?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/gunsweedandrelevance

[InternetExplorer 2,609]

the productivity collapse is a real thing. Jeremy Siegel has been on it for at least the last two years or so. no one has a good explanation for it, that I have seen anyway. not that it will be an issue. I don't think the economy will play much of a role in this election, provided the markets just trade sideways. the data is otherwise great domestically speaking, so I don't really know where the pessimism would come from.

[mrdannyg 274]

"Well its true that in politics (and sports) you get on a team and will ignore all proof that your side is wrong. New England supporters still support the Patriots even though they are cheaters....

 

But I could say the same for Bernie supporters, that they are for either: Free college, legal pot, or taxing rich. Or a combination of all three. They could care less about history of socialism, about Bernie's career, or about the likelihood that any of those things will come to pass if he's elected. His wife bankrupts a college with poor leadership, and hasn't turned over his tax returns, but only Trump is accused of hiding something.

 

Trump jumped to the front and stayed there by talking about illegal immigration. Something most American's are concerned about. The notion that the richest, strongest and best country in the world cannot control it's own borders is baloney. The establishment republicans have talked about controlling the border, but nothing, nothing has been done. If Bush, or Rubio, or Cruz had actually done anything to control out borders, Trump would have failed.

 

Add to that that the press votes 85%+ democrats, not a single reporter on the WH press pool is a republican, that the leads of many news shows are former democrat operatives, and you can understand why Trump supporters don't buy what they report.

 

I've heard Trump, I've followed him, he's not a racist, but that's the narrative forced down the public's throat. Many of the left just hear that and buy it lock stock and barrel.

 

Once you recognize he's not a racist, nor a sexist, then you realize all those stories that he is are just propaganda.

 

Small wonder why anything else they say is ignored. "

 

 

I can't use quotes where I am, sorry.

 

I don't know how you can say he is not racist. He has said tons of racist things and proposed racist policies. Maybe, in his heart, he isn't racist. I don't really care - he has acted racist and promoted racism. He glorifies in it, pretending that saying actually dangerous and offensive things is just "not being PC". The guy gives press conferences where he refers to Warren as "Pocahontas" many times, and you're saying the media is shoving the racism down our throats? No, that's him, and he's doing it on purpose. The whole "the media is left-wing" is such a sad crutch.

 

As for the borders, you're listening to propaganda over actual evidence. The United States has incredible control over its borders. More Mexicans are leaving the country than illegally staying, and the ones that are here are a net benefit to your economy. Illegal immigrants have a lower crime rate and negligible terrorism occurences. Americans are worried about illegal immigration because they are told it is a problem by people too lazy or uninterested in them knowing what the real problems are. They are blamed by politicians because they are a target that can't defend themselves. Don't confuse any of that with it actually being a problem, because it isn't.

 

You said that the richest country in the world can't control its own borders is baloney, and that previous Republicans did nothing about them. Both of those things are untrue by even the most basic look at actual evidence.

 

If you're worried about dangers, maybe start ignoring the illegal immigrants who have negligible crime rates and pay attention to your candidate who wants to remove every environmental protection. If you're worried about the economy, maybe don't worry about illegal immigrants who are a significant net benefit economically and pay attention to the candidate who wants a protectionist economy that will stagnate growth and who is setting an amazing precedent by asking for a private company building a widely-benefitting (economically, if not environmentally) pipeline to give the government a percentage of their profit. But hey, the guy says he will be great for the economy, so every conservative is ignoring that his main policies of high tariffs, uncertainty in trade negotiations, effective corporate tax increases and reduction of cheap labour sources are all terrible for the economy. Because "Buy America" worked out so well for the automobile industry!

[Balloon guy 158]

Actually 100% of illegal immigrants break the law, that's what the word illegal means.

 

When they get a job, they are breaking the law, when they get welfare, unemployment, drive on the roads, attend school, go to the emergency room, they break the law.

 

When they take a job, they lower wages for everyone, they take a job that an employer would fill with an American, or legal immigrant, probably at a higher wage, which is the result of a smaller work force btw.

 

 

 

And I can understand why a liberal would be okay that only a small number of women are raped every day, that drunk illegals only kill about 10 people a day, it's a tiny number using statistics. We can sacrifice a few children to molestation if it lets you sleep better knowing you care more than the racist republicans. We hear that we need stricter gun controls even if it only saves one life, but illegals, well we'll just let some people get raped, murdered and run over. Fair trade.

 

 

Warren takes the space reserved for an American Indian, of course her excuse is she has high cheek bones

 

 

 

But it's Trump calling her Pocahontas that is wrong, probably for giving her an actual Indian name.

 

You guys scream racist if anyone on the right says illegal.

 

You want to know what I would do if I hated black people? I'd support democrats. They have done more damage to the black community than the KKK and Trump casino combined. Algore had a great solution to reduce black on black crime...throw them a basketball, but it's the republicans who are racist.

 

Trump is ignoring the cries by the media and the populous is loving it. You can only cry wolf so log before we all ignore you.

 

He's going to win, he's going to strengthen our borders, and he's going to make America great again. I'm sure the second thing he will do is declare all environmental restrictions removed and mass pollution as a legal way to do business. But first he'll build the wall, and make Mexico pay for it.

[mrdannyg 274]

I can see why Trump just making up whatever he wants to support an argument that usually doesn't pass basic logic or ethical tests has found an audience.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

typical liberal. doesn't refute any well made point, just baseless name calling.

[Balloon guy 158]

Danny, we used to have such better arguments. Why you quitting so early?

 

Shoot, rhetorical arguments are the most fun too, never need to prove anything, just make broad speculations, appeal to authority, and throw in a few strawmen. It's why I didn't link any 'proof' to my arguments. In fact I had links, and went back and deleted them since yours was pure rhetoric.

 

We could argue about something else, but Trump's the elephant in the room.

 

Well, the only non-libertarian elephant

 

[FCP Bob 1,312]

I think they seriously debated whether there should be Driver's Licenses at the Libertarian Convention in between naked guys giving speeches.

 

In the end they nominated 2 well liked multi term Governors to be their Prez and Vice-Prez candidates but getting there seemed quite entertaining

[Balloon guy 158]

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/145309172876/the-risks-of-a-trump-presidency

 

Good article by Delbert creator about election

[FCP Bob 1,312]

Yup, Trump isn't a racist.

 

But because he's said such racist things he doesn't think that any Hispanic Judge can be fair to him.

 

Hey, lets give him the nuke codes.

 

[Scrim 115]

Balloon Guy taking scalps.

Trump is an example of what happens when "racist" stops working as a magical word. It had a good run, from the 60's up until about how, but it became oppressive and he's the backlash against that.

 

They'll keep saying it, though, oblivious to the fact that it doesn't have the effect it once did. It's now about as bad as calling someone a blasphemer. Once upon a time, it was enough to prevent them from getting a job. Now, nobody cares. That's where "racist" is heading as a bludgeon for racial identity politics and issues with a racial nexus, where you either support some policy that works for the interests of non-whites, or you're a "racist".

 

Maybe Canada can hold out and be the last bastion where anyone gives a **** about that word.

[Balloon guy 158]

But they know he's a racist.

 

They know it, deep down.

 

Forget the black woman that works for him and made a video telling how he gave her a top level job and she made a video that went viral, that's irrelevant to their intimate knowledge of a man they never met.

 

Forget that protesters today are giving Trump the election:

 

Or Hillary is subliminally admitting she's going to lose:

 

Imagine Donald Trump sitting in the Situation Room, making life-or-death decisions on behalf of the United States. Imagine him deciding whether to send your children into battle. Imagine if he had not just his Twitter account at his disposal when he’s angry, but America’s entire arsenal.

 

Yes, let's all imagine Trump as president.

And her big line, He's not president, yet

 

 

She's a buffoon, hopefully she can find some way to defeat Bernie so she can run against Trump