Zach6668 513 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 with all due respect to Zach(please dont take it the wrong way) A real life example like Steve's is worth 100 more times than an article written in a text book.. I respect the need for options... What does this even mean? Link to post Share on other sites
gruven 530 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Just getting caught up... one point: Serge, you said Robyn Doolittle is a cheap journalist because she's taking advantage of the Rob Ford Story being hot right now. Will you say the same thing in 33 years when the leafs finally win a cup and Lance Hornby rushes out a book on the drive to the cup? Or will that be okay because you agree with the author? Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 What does this even mean? Seriously, you dont understand what that means? Steve gave a REAL world example of his family, his needs and wants. Most of the stuff that you have posted, written about dont involve real life stories..They are concepts, they are beliefs..They maybe real life, but Steves post actually meant something to me, because its real life... Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Just getting caught up... one point: Serge, you said Robyn Doolittle is a cheap journalist because she's taking advantage of the Rob Ford Story being hot right now. Will you say the same thing in 33 years when the leafs finally win a cup and Lance Hornby rushes out a book on the drive to the cup? Or will that be okay because you agree with the author? yes..everything is linked to the Leafs..Great analogy.. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Typical Toronto Star and Robyn Doolittle. It’s always anonymous. Everything’s anonymous…you know I could put a book together that’s anonymous sources about Robyn Doolittle and all the shenanigans at the Toronto Star, but we have a job to do and that’s to save the taxpayer’s money.” Doug Ford omg, i love that they're still pushing the "save the taxpayer's money" line. Because that's the only promise they haven't been explicitly shown to have broken. Well, they have been explicitly shown to have broken those promises too, but the people who still back him just pretend to ignore things like "budgets" and "deficits". Henry Ford was a Nazi Sympathizer and a huge anti-Semite. http://www.pbs.org/w...d-antisemitism/ I win. Godwin's Law has been invoked. Bob wins. I love cars. That autocorrected to cats and almost left it because I love cats too but the rest wouldn't make sense. I recently got a new car and already have a short list of cars I'll be looking at in 3 years. I love to drive. I will always have a car because of that. Also I love road trips. The wife can't fly without either being ridiculously medicated or being sick the entire time due to an inner ear issue. So we've always gone on aw seine road trips. Like Detroit to Vegas stopping at places like the painted desert and Grand Canyon. I also live in a city with very little public transport. We have buses but there are few and they don't go everywhere. At the apartment job I drove 26 miles to work. Took 20-30 min to get there. 45-60 to get home. I did look to see if I could do it by bus. Between walking over a mile to the bus top it took 3 bus changes and approx. 2 hrs travel. My wife works just a bit over a mile from work. She would have to walk a mile to the bus stop then take a 20 minute bus ride to get then next quarter mile since there's a loop before she gets dropped off at the hospital. It's crazy and not very sufficient. So we each have a car and that's fine. So I should be on the pro car side. But I'm Not. I just want a choice. We've always discussed moving to DC but waiting on Jin and issues with leaving family behind has slowed the process. But we like the setup. Live in a suburb outside DC. Sell one car. Use the Metro to get in and out of city. Car for trips back to Michigan and other places. Trains to Philly and NYC where friends live eyc etc. We want the OPTION. Options give us the best of both worlds. I don't see how having options is the end of civilization. I tried to read this again with the word "cat" substituted instead of "car". It didn't really work, unless you had a Clifford-sized cat or something. But I appreciate the thought. I also want an option to be able to use only one car to get get to the Metro and get in and out of the city. For cat trips back to Michigan. Etc. Seriously, you dont understand what that means? Steve gave a REAL world example of his family, his needs and wants. Most of the stuff that you have posted, written about dont involve real life stories..They are concepts, they are beliefs..They maybe real life, but Steves post actually meant something to me, because its real life... As per usual, you have said something that is the opposite of true. Effectively all 'soft science' theories are have come about as a way to explain behaviours. They are an aggregation of opinions. So while Steve's opinion i valuable, and his points well made, most of Zach's theories are actually worth hundreds or thousands of times what his post was, because they came about as ways to explain why thousands of people feel certain ways, rather than just taking the opinion of one person and trying to draw conclusions from it. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 No, my theories are invented in a prototype utopia with no application to the real world. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 my = my entire (future) profession's Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 never mind, Im tired of this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 omg, i love that they're still pushing the "save the taxpayer's money" line. Because that's the only promise they haven't been explicitly shown to have broken. Well, they have been explicitly shown to have broken those promises too, but the people who still back him just pretend to ignore things like "budgets" and "deficits". Bob wins. I tried to read this again with the word "cat" substituted instead of "car". It didn't really work, unless you had a Clifford-sized cat or something. But I appreciate the thought. I also want an option to be able to use only one car to get get to the Metro and get in and out of the city. For cat trips back to Michigan. Etc. As per usual, you have said something that is the opposite of true. Effectively all 'soft science' theories are have come about as a way to explain behaviours. They are an aggregation of opinions. So while Steve's opinion i valuable, and his points well made, most of Zach's theories are actually worth hundreds or thousands of times what his post was, because they came about as ways to explain why thousands of people feel certain ways, rather than just taking the opinion of one person and trying to draw conclusions from it. Do you know what works amazing in text books, on paper and in theory? Communism Link to post Share on other sites
Babying 613 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I love cars. That autocorrected to cats and almost left it because I love cats too but the rest wouldn't make sense. I recently got a new car and already have a short list of cars I'll be looking at in 3 years. I love to drive. I will always have a car because of that. Also I love road trips. The wife can't fly without either being ridiculously medicated or being sick the entire time due to an inner ear issue. So we've always gone on aw seine road trips. Like Detroit to Vegas stopping at places like the painted desert and Grand Canyon. I also live in a city with very little public transport. We have buses but there are few and they don't go everywhere. At the apartment job I drove 26 miles to work. Took 20-30 min to get there. 45-60 to get home. I did look to see if I could do it by bus. Between walking over a mile to the bus top it took 3 bus changes and approx. 2 hrs travel. My wife works just a bit over a mile from work. She would have to walk a mile to the bus stop then take a 20 minute bus ride to get then next quarter mile since there's a loop before she gets dropped off at the hospital. It's crazy and not very sufficient. So we each have a car and that's fine. So I should be on the pro car side. But I'm Not. I just want a choice. We've always discussed moving to DC but waiting on Jin and issues with leaving family behind has slowed the process. But we like the setup. Live in a suburb outside DC. Sell one car. Use the Metro to get in and out of city. Car for trips back to Michigan and other places. Trains to Philly and NYC where friends live eyc etc. We want the OPTION. Options give us the best of both worlds. I don't see how having options is the end of civilization. we have family in the dc area. They will not let their kids on the metro because they believe it to be unsafe. I personally have not taken the metro in dc Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 No, my theories are invented in a prototype utopia with no application to the real world. To be fair, I felt like this about most of my economics courses. Do you know what works amazing in text books, on paper and in theory? Communism The first three responses I thought of all insulted your intelligence. So let's try this instead. Go find a textbook and see what it says about communism. Let me know if it says "it works great" or something more like 'has serious ethical and implementation issues and has historically resulted in collapse and corruption'. Also, you're thinking of socialism, not communism. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 To be fair, I felt like this about most of my economics courses. The first three responses I thought of all insulted your intelligence. So let's try this instead. Go find a textbook and see what it says about communism. Let me know if it says "it works great" or something more like 'has serious ethical and implementation issues and has historically resulted in collapse and corruption'. Also, you're thinking of socialism, not communism. nope I have studied it extensively..Communism in theory is a great thing..Everyone is healthy, everyone is fed, housed..Everyone has a decent standard of living. Again my experiences are from studying communism AND seeing it first hand ..I visited Armenia after they became an independent state. A lot of people were actually upset that they became independent...A lot of the theories and concepts of communism are great for a lot of people..However in application we have seen it has serious issues, corruption being a main one..Capitalism rules in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites
iBeaver 409 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The whole world is unsafe. Driving Jin to the Henry Ford Museum is unsafe. Last week on our way there had an idiot in a jeep cut me off and I saved myself from going into the median wall. You take your chances going outside every day. The summer fair in my city has a bunch of tough guys carrying rifles to excercise their right to be douche nozzles. One dumb altercation and there is now an increased chance if bullets flying through the air. I worry a lot about when he gets older. Just thinking about letting him leave for school and walk the 2 minutes to the school grounds will kill me with worry but you can't live scared. I obv wouldnt let him ride any subway system alone before at least the age if 15 anyway. Just my thoughts. I think about this a lot. I have to be less if a worrier since my wife and mother in law are worriers to a fault. Wife was scared to let him climb the slide stairs. Took me half the summer to get him to not be scared of climbing them again. Taking him Sunday to go skating for first time and wife came home with huge elbow and knee pads. Jesus he won't be able to actually skate with this crP on plus it will be some time where he isn't skating fast enough to hurt himself falling. He's short and all. Plus he lands and crashes in the hardwood floors all say long. Helmet, yes. Link to post Share on other sites
iBeaver 409 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Sorry I ranted and went off on a huge tangent there. Pretend it's about communism and of course, cats. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Just my thoughts. I think about this a lot. I have to be less if a worrier since my wife and mother in law are worriers to a fault. Wife was scared to let him climb the slide stairs. Took me half the summer to get him to not be scared of climbing them again. Taking him Sunday to go skating for first time and wife came home with huge elbow and knee pads. Jesus he won't be able to actually skate with this crP on plus it will be some time where he isn't skating fast enough to hurt himself falling. He's short and all. Plus he lands and crashes in the hardwood floors all say long. Helmet, yes. Its what moms do, well, at least what a lot of the ones I have seen do. I guess its our job as dads to provide the other side. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 The most dangerous thing you do every day is drive your car. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 To be fair, I felt like this about most of my economics courses. The first three responses I thought of all insulted your intelligence. So let's try this instead. Go find a textbook and see what it says about communism. Let me know if it says "it works great" or something more like 'has serious ethical and implementation issues and has historically resulted in collapse and corruption'. Also, you're thinking of socialism, not communism. I never took an economics class over the course of my economics degree that told me communism was perfect, or even good. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The most dangerous thing you do every day is drive your car. I think if we had better highways, more car friendly initiatives, less pedestrians breaking laws, less bicycles we would have a lot less car accidents. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The most dangerous thing you do every day is drive your car. You mean in terms of transportation only right Zach? Cause I think the most dangerous thing people do every day is smoke, eat unhealthy foods and drink. There's a lot more people dying from other things than car deaths. Stop spinning so much, we get your point. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Serge is just trolling now. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 I only said that in light of what you were talking about. I don't have the citations handy, but I thought I read somewhere that car crashes accounted for more deaths than any other cause, though it might have been in younger people (where effects of smoking and bad eating haven't caught up to them yet.) Not spin, I just think most people don't realize how intrinsically dangerous this activity they do velvety day is, and take it for granted. Frankly, I think that's probably part of the pro car spin more than the anti-car lobby (of which I don't consider myself). Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I only said that in light of what you were talking about. I don't have the citations handy, but I thought I read somewhere that car crashes accounted for more deaths than any other cause, though it might have been in younger people (where effects of smoking and bad eating haven't caught up to them yet.) Not spin, I just think most people don't realize how intrinsically dangerous this activity they do velvety day is, and take it for granted. Frankly, I think that's probably part of the pro car spin more than the anti-car lobby (of which I don't consider myself). its not even close http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/84-215-x/2012001/tbl/T001-eng.pdf Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Serge is just trolling now. semi.. i was being facetious Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share Posted February 4, 2014 You're right, it must have been a certain age range. Let me see if I can find my source. Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 You're right, it must have been a certain age range. Let me see if I can find my source. here 25-34 http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/84-215-x/2012001/tbl/t004-eng.htm but again..its irrelevant..how else do healthy people die at that age..Naturally its by accident.. the number btw is accidents, not car accidents.. Link to post Share on other sites
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