navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Cause you're Sirens. I'm Stripes. God chose our roles when you and I play. If it helps to visualize, how are you gonna speed faster than me with less than 2 pair when drawing 1 at a time and I'm drawing 3? It's really fun when you think about when our kids play. Let's say sons for the ease of this post. If your son plays Sirens against me and I play Stripes it'll basically be like me playing a toddler until he's probably about 20 years old. At that time it'll be like me playing a young teen who is just learning the game. His best option is to play Stripes against me. He'll play closer to his actual age playing this way, of course then I play Sirens and while I still have a monstrous edge it's not as large as the converse. NOW, when you play my son and he plays Stripes, he plays his exact age since you're leveraging him directly. Of course, if he plays Sirens it's you w/ a huge edge depending on how talented he is. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Just to be a nice guy I'll give you some information that I don't yet know how to leverage: You are generally always going to draw one, but which card to pitch is never going to be set in stone. NEVER. Oh, I know, this is a good time to point out that we need a clock. Since either of us will come to right decisions given the time, we need to ensure that neither is given an advantage. See how leveraging leverage works? Me: "How many do you want buddy?" You: ".................................one." Me: "yup." You: "How about you?" Me: "5, no wait, pat, no 3, no 1, pat, wait, yeah 3." SNAP, SNAP, SNAP Link to post Share on other sites
MinhLyFan 1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Sometimes, I don't need to be faster than you to win as a speeder. And the thing is, drawing one allows me to go as fast as I need whenever I need. So when you draw three, how can you possibly go faster than a man drawing one and then hits the gas? I am 4/5s the way to the nuts and you're only 2/5s, and I have a head start. In that spot, How am I less capable of leveraging the leverage of information drawing less cards? Link to post Share on other sites
MinhLyFan 1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 And I would love adding a clock to this match....! Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 The sooner you can play Nash Equilibrium the easier it is for you and the more difficult it is for the other. The sooner you turn in to the speeder the better it is for me. The sooner I turn in to the cop the better it is for you. Remember the solution lies at the center. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 but... let's say your son is the STRIPES and my son is the SIRENS. Your son beats me. Does mine beat you? Link to post Share on other sites
MinhLyFan 1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I am at the center. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Okay, we'll add a clock. 12 hours at the most between posts. But I'd love to go faster. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Homie, you start the hand at the other end of the snowflake, we race to the middle, if you start at the middle I WIN! You can't go for the middle. When you say "I am at the center" you are basically saying "I am shooting for the 8-ball first." You play like you and I play like me. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 how can you possibly go faster than a man drawing one and then hits the gas? why would i go faster than a man drawing one who hits the gas? I'm the speeder I'm not trying to overtake the cops to show them who's boss. But I can go faster. The FBI agent. Link to post Share on other sites
MinhLyFan 1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 To what end? Link to post Share on other sites
MinhLyFan 1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Sometimes in games there are multiple solutions. But once the solutions exist, they are in competition with each other. At that point, the game is new, and the solution to the second game, which is also the solution to the first is the true solution. In HULH people argue that the bot playing in bellagio is playing the solution to Hulh. But if I built a bot, my bot would win more money. So what good is a solution to a game that produces lesser results of a different strategy? Which strategy is really the solution? Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 The FBI agent is when you're speeding and I make a super nut hand. Link to post Share on other sites
MinhLyFan 1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I was asking to what end will we be playing. And why can't I do that drawing one? Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Sometimes in games there are multiple solutions. Only recently was this discovered. But once the solutions exist, they are in competition with each other. You vs. Me in Stripes vs. Sirens At that point, the game is new, and the solution to the second game, which is also the solution to the first is the true solution. Well done. So what good is a solution to a game that produces lesser results of a different strategy? When that solution produces greater results than that strategy. Which strategy is really the solution? YOU ARE SIRENS I AM STRIPES Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 I was asking to what end will we be playing. I have a feeling we'll know. And why can't I do that drawing one? You can speed drawing one, that's fine, but the sooner I realize you're speeding the sooner I can play Nash. Which equals ship the pot navy's way. Link to post Share on other sites
MinhLyFan 1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Why do you get to realize I'm speeding faster than I get to realize you're speeding? I have played this game a million times, and the end is never what you think. Complex Games have always had more than one solution. But most often games are played within games which limit the number of solutions dramatically. And we are both playing sirens. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Why do you get to realize I'm speeding faster than I get to realize you're speeding? I'm not sure yet I know how I want to leverage the answer to that question. I have played this game a million times, and the end is never what you think. Complex Games have always had more than one solution. :-/ I'm not so hot on this. If you want me to give you my thoughts please provide an example. And we are both playing sirens. STRIPES! SNAP! SNAP! SNAP! Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Stripes men take pride. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 If your son is a Stripes! man and mine is a Sirens! man yours beats me. Does mine beat you? Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 When I was a boy I made fun of my best friend's father for preferring the company of men. I'm sorry for that. I love them now and loved them then and never thought either any less a man. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 SNAP! SNAP! SNAP! SNAP! SNAP! Link to post Share on other sites
MinhLyFan 1 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 1-0. This has left the world in ruins, and it will continue to do so until gameplay becomes more valuable than victories. I have spent my whole life ruining things, And I don't want to do that anymore. I just want to play. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted December 2, 2013 Author Share Posted December 2, 2013 Why do you think it's easier to get annoyed with this game than with others? Link to post Share on other sites
MinhLyFan 1 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Because when I play it, I can't win. Link to post Share on other sites
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