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You have proof, as in fact, that they were radical Islamists? I think you have reason to believe, or a sneaky suspicion to be honest.

 

Sneaky suspicion? The Russian government contacted the FBI a few years ago because they believed the older brother had become a dangerous radicalized Islamist. The FBI has released this information, and it has been widely reported.

 

Why are you balking at the idea that he was an Islamist?

 

 

Every single person (except Bob) has posted things in this thread that would qualify as a hate crime in any other first-world country in the world. Hope you guys sleep well at night, knowing that your hatred for them is worse than the hate that you think they have for you, and a hell of a lot less scary.

 

You're insane.

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I usually think of the sick thread first, and go there first. Then I go to twitter, cnn, 4bb, and then usually back to the sick thread, which might be finished loading.

Humans are the worst.

I'm pretty sure that the response to the marathon bombing vs the response to the Texas explosion are vastly different because one was an accident, and the other was purposeful.

Sneaky suspicion? The Russian government contacted the FBI a few years ago because they believed the older brother had become a dangerous radicalized Islamist. The FBI has released this information, and it has been widely reported.

 

Why are you balking at the idea that he was an Islamist?

 

 

 

 

You're insane.

 

I am not, just that you don't have proof it was his motivating reason. If you do show it to me. I am open to evidence. And also, we don't know if he wouldn't have latched onto another radical ideology if he was from say Oklahoma, as I alluded to in that post.

 

 

 

Edit for clarity, being Islamic isn't immoral. Bombing innocent people is the problem. Not all Islamic people bomb innocent people. Being Islamic isn't immoral, bombing or killing people is the problem.

 

 

In other news,

 

 

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How about if I called Trump an unethical immoral person that believes in torturing prisoners before a trial because he has ties to Christianity?

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I am not, just that you don't have proof it was his motivating reason. If you do show it to me. I am open to evidence. And also, we don't know if he wouldn't have latched onto another radical ideology if he was from say Oklahoma, as I alluded to in that post.

 

 

 

Edit for clarity, being Islamic isn't immoral. Bombing innocent people is the problem. Not all Islamic people bomb innocent people. Being Islamic isn't immoral, bombing or killing people is the problem.

 

Being Islamic isn't immoral. Being Islamist is.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism

 

You find those beliefs to be morally acceptable? It is the most harshly misogynistic belief system in the entire world, for one.

 

 

But I know muslim people that treat their wives fine, are good and loving parents, productive citizens and don't have a bad bone in their bodies.....

 

But I do believe that being misogynic is immoral. Christianity is misogynic but I don't believe all Christians are immoral. I reserve that for people like Balloon Guy.*

 

*You knew it was coming BG hahaha

 

Being an athiest or a baptist or a mormon and being misgynic is immoral as well.

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Yes if a bomb goes off in London the most likely bomber will be a Jihadist

 

Remember the London Subway Bombings ?

 

http://en.wikipedia....London_bombings

 

Well, it happened once, so obviously, any future situations will be the same. Good sample.

 

 

I said nothing about restricting the search. You're inventing that. I said they were probably radical Islamists. You are now apparently trying to argue against the fact that they are probably radical Islamists, despite the fact that it has become clear that they are in fact radical Islamists.

 

The bombs were not designed to be "minimally lethal." You're seriously fucking stupid if you think they were.

 

I'm arguing about whether we had enough information before the fact to "know" that.

 

And yes, they were "radical" Islamists. Not Islamists.

 

Yah, this is a very strange thing to say about a bomb that was packed with metal shrapnel and set off in a large crowd of people.

 

If they wanted to make something go boom and be minimally lethal they would have blown up a mail box on an empty street.

 

You guys might want to research bombs. If you wanted to kill people or create damage and terror, setting off two bombs containing ball bearings in garbage bags would not be the way to do it.

 

Now, if, as recent reports suggest, they had some grand plans to also blow up transportation systems, that is a whole different thing.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism

 

You find those beliefs to be morally acceptable? It is the most harshly misogynistic belief system in the entire world, for one.

 

I'm mostly with RR on this - the beliefs are no more reprehensible than conservative Christianity.

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To illustrate my contention with this, if I said "Christians are immoral, look at the Westboro Baptists". It simply opens up the door to the argument that not all Christians are radical Christians and thus the argument changes to whether Christianity, Islam, or whatever is immoral, not the fact that any ideology or pathology that leads you to kill innocent people is immoral.

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You guys might want to research bombs. If you wanted to kill people or create damage and terror, setting off two bombs containing ball bearings in garbage bags would not be the way to do it.

 

Now, if, as recent reports suggest, they had some grand plans to also blow up transportation systems, that is a whole different thing.

 

 

Your thought process as shown by you doubling down on a really really dumb statement is astounding.

 

They used what they had access to. They didn't have 500 KG of Semtex or some radioactive medical waste to make a dirty bomb.

 

Saying that oh they aren't so bad since they only set off a Claymore Mine like bomb and not something really really nasty is amazing.

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But I know muslim people that treat their wives fine, are good and loving parents, productive citizens and don't have a bad bone in their bodies.....

 

Islamism is a radical offshoot of Islam. They are not the same thing. Most Muslims are good and loving parents, productive citizens, etc. Most Muslims aren't Islamists.

 

 

 

Being Islamic isn't immoral. Being Islamist is.

 

 

To illustrate my contention with this, if I said "Christians are immoral, look at the Westboro Baptists". It simply opens up the door to the argument that not all Christians are radical Christians and thus the argument changes to whether Christianity, Islam, or whatever is immoral, not the fact that any ideology or pathology that leads you to kill innocent people is immoral.

 

I don't know how you could misunderstand my statement. Being Islamic isn't immoral. You seem to have read that to say Being Islamic is immoral.

 

Can we agree that Westboro Baptists are immoral? Then we should be able to agree that Islamists are immoral.

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I'm mostly with RR on this - the beliefs are no more reprehensible than conservative Christianity.

 

 

You're insane.

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Now, for example, I will say teaching Creationism is immoral. It does harm to people or specifically inhibits the good desires of people in many ways.

 

Teaching darwinian evolution has led to eugenics, communism and nazism.

 

Creationism has led to most Ivey League schools being founded.

 

 

As Tim has so eloquently put it,

 

You're insane

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al qaeda magazine ( who knew they had a magazine ) teaches how to use kitchen devices to make bombs

 

Last year al qaeda tells jihadist to bomb US sporting events

 

But I understand..let's all calm down and see if it wasn't really the influence of the Tea Party or Rush Limbaugh before we lay this at the feet of islamic terrorist...

 

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Well, it happened once, so obviously, any future situations will be the same. Good sample.

 

Yes, prior to the Marathon bombings there had been precisely one terrorist attack carried out by radical jihadists in recent years. 1. One. Since Bob only linked to one, that means there has only been one.

 

MADRID TRAIN BOMBING [191 killed. 1460 injured]

7/7 [53 killed, 700 injured]

9/11 [3000 killed]

WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMBING ('93) [6 killed]

US EMBASSY BOMBINGS IN TANZANIA AND KENYA [224 killed, 4000 injured]

1993 MUMBAI BOMBINGS [257 killed, 700 injured]

2006 MUMBAI BOMBINGS [207 killed, 700 injured]

COIMBATORE BOMBINGS [46 killed, 200 injured]

USS COLE BOMBING [17 killed, 39 injured]

AUSTRALIAN EMBASSY BOMBING [9 killed, 150 injured]

DELHI BOMBINGS [60 killed, 180 injured]

MOSCOW AIRPORT BOMBING [37 killed, 180 injured]

 

 

 

This is a very small sample. I did not include any attacks in Israel, for example, where the vast majority of Islamic jihadist bombings take place. I also did not include any failed attacks.

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Islamism is a radical offshoot of Islam. They are not the same thing. Most Muslims are good and loving parents, productive citizens, etc. Most Muslims aren't Islamists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know how you could misunderstand my statement. Being Islamic isn't immoral. You seem to have read that to say Being Islamic is immoral.

 

Can we agree that Westboro Baptists are immoral? Then we should be able to agree that Islamists are immoral.

 

islamists can be used to describe a follower of Islam, or it can be used to refer to a follower of the strictly fundemental sect. Sorry, if I confused that you were refering to the latter. I can agree that a case could be made that the desire to believe in fundamental Islam or be an Islamist is not a good desire, and could be considered immoral. Same goes for fundamentalist Christians, Mormons, etc.. if we are going to refer to the parts or the specific reasons why they are immoral.

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So you're reasoning is that since two things are religions, anything one group does applies to all other religions?

 

But things atheist do would not apply to all atheist?

 

Got it!

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Yes, prior to the Marathon bombings there had been precisely one terrorist attack carried out by radical jihadists in recent years. 1. One. Since Bob only linked to one, that means there has only been one.

 

MADRID TRAIN BOMBING [191 killed. 1460 injured]

7/7 [53 killed, 700 injured]

9/11 [3000 killed]

WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMBING ('93) [6 killed]

US EMBASSY BOMBINGS IN TANZANIA AND KENYA [224 killed, 4000 injured]

1993 MUMBAI BOMBINGS [257 killed, 700 injured]

2006 MUMBAI BOMBINGS [207 killed, 700 injured]

COIMBATORE BOMBINGS [46 killed, 200 injured]

USS COLE BOMBING [17 killed, 39 injured]

AUSTRALIAN EMBASSY BOMBING [9 killed, 150 injured]

DELHI BOMBINGS [60 killed, 180 injured]

MOSCOW AIRPORT BOMBING [37 killed, 180 injured]

 

 

 

This is a very small sample. I did not include any attacks in Israel, for example, where the vast majority of Islamic jihadist bombings take place. I also did not include any failed attacks.

 

Catholicism has killed millions by there ideology banning abortion and anti-contraception. Is Catholicism evil. Can I go around calling all Catholics evil? What does that serve? I am only pointing out that it probably serves us best to stick to specifics or the point gets derailed. Any ideology that promotes killing innocent people is wrong. End. Stop.

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So you're reasoning is that since two things are religions, anything one group does applies to all other religions?

 

But things atheist do would not apply to all atheist?

 

Got it!

 

No, that's exactly my point. An atheist ideology that promoted killing innocent people would be unethical. That doesn't make all athiests unethical.

 

Edit- That is not to say that we can't be critical of specific policies of an ideology. Just that we should be careful when using blanket statements. I mean, don't get me wrong, I think religon is a huge problem, but simply pointing the blame at Islam is short sighted in this case. Why aren't we going bonkers on what religon the old white terrorist that blew up half of Texas is?

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Catholicism has killed millions by there ideology banning abortion and anti-contraception. Is Catholicism evil. Can I go around calling all Catholics evil? What does that serve? I am only pointing out that it probably serves us best to stick to specifics or the point gets derailed. Any ideology that promotes killing innocent people is wrong. End. Stop.

 

Insane does not cover the depth of your confusion.

 

Catholics have KILLED millions by promoting the birth of children?

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