TrueAce13 18 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Don't really know what to think. Is this to save face? Does he really want to tell the whole truth? KidPoker... WUG THOUGHTS?! http://www.pokernews.com/news/2012/09/the-lederer-files-an-introduction-13421.htm Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I'm guessing that the theme will be that he no longer was involved in the day to day operations and that Ray Bitar didn't let him know how bad the situation was and he'll try to point the finger of blame in every direction that he can. Link to post Share on other sites
king_tanner 84 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 wow 7 hours. Sounds like some hard hitting reporting by pokernews. yawn Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Part 1 - I haven't watched it yet but my understanding is that it's about how Tilt got started. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Brian Balsbaugh@Balsbaugh The book on Ray Bitar in the industry was that he was an incompetent boob, but was bulletproof bc he had Chris & Howard's total backing. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Part 2 http://www.pokernews.com/news/2012/09/the-lederer-files-the-uigea-segregated-accounts-retirement-13432.htm Link to post Share on other sites
Hockey Guy 4 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Part 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2DxUJxGzSO4#! sorry can't figure out how to embed a video. Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 way too soft on the interview so far. He is still lying and covering up Joe Navarro @navarrotells I think the questions were too global and not specific to my taste but perhaps in later interviews there will be more of that Joe Navarro @navarrotells Finished the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g1wFJx461U&feature=youtu.be… but what we dont know is how many people in that room Joe Navarro @navarrotells I find it interesting that the hands dont come apart until 25:00>palm up consistent with the reality of unveiling what he says for firsttime Issues are just that discomfort, but what is the cause, embarrassment, stupidity, failure to know better, hiding ? Joe Navarro @navarrotells At around 22:50 > talking about Chris Furgeson, not wanting to make $ distribution, look at the eyebrow arching, very emphatic. With introverts you look for gravity defying behaviors or emphasis and we see those here also in the interview Joe Navarro @navarrotells I should say I have only met him once for about a minute and have never talked to him but only saw him and he was this same way Joe Navarro @navarrotells I do find it interesting that he is not dressed to do perception management, no make up, just as he always seems sort of shy & reserved Joe Navarro @navarrotells There is at the 20:00 mark discomfort talking about money (feet are withdrawn), dry mouth, etc. but that is just from the topic. Joe Navarro @navarrotells 19:50-59 note toes defying gravity when he says "certainly wanted him removed." consistent with emphasis http://www.youtube.com/watch? Joe Navarro @navarrotells Problem with deception is that there is no single behavior indicative of deception, there is no Pinocchio effect for humans Joe Navarro @navarrotells Watch the thumbs for emphasis which rise when he is confident about what he is saying at around 18 min 45] 59sJoe Navarro @ navarrotells At about 15 minutes we see him relax more right leg comes forward, fingers remain interlaced http://www. youtube.com/watch?v=3g1wFJ x461U&feature=youtu.be … 45] 2mJoe Navarro @ navarrotells We see the feet together, sitting very contrite, high shoulders etc. consistent with what we know about him shy, introverted and so forth 45] 3mJoe Navarro @ navarrotells We see the usual amount of discomfort anyone would experience when being questioned. http://www. youtube.com/watch?v=3g1wFJ x461U&feature=youtu.be … lip compression, etc. 45] 4mJoe Navarro @ navarrotells So as we look at video we note location, who is there, how many people are there, and who orchestrated this eventhttp://www. youtube.com/watch?v=3g1wFJ x461U&feature=youtu.be … Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Part 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2DxUJxGzSO4#! sorry can't figure out how to embed a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2DxUJxGzSO4# Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Why a seven hour video just put him in a room with Daniel for fifteen minutes and I'm sure the time would be much better spent 1 Link to post Share on other sites
king_tanner 84 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I wish they would have a poker representative who plays the game and everyone trusts to gather questions and run the interview (someone like Daniel, but not Daniel because he would probably just flip out). Not some random pokernews guy who we have never seen before. Someone who will ask follow up questions. For example in video 1 when Howard says I think I wasn't on salary at the beginning. How is that an "I think".... he knows if he was on salary or not. Not that anyone cares about that, but we need someone who will be more concise and get to the shit that we care about, not 3 hours of lead up questions. Link to post Share on other sites
coug2828 8 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 NOBODY KNEW ANYTHING!! They modeled their company after the count room scene from "Casino". Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I wish they would have a poker representative who plays the game and everyone trusts to gather questions and run the interview (someone like Daniel, but not Daniel because he would probably just flip out). Not some random pokernews guy who we have never seen before. Someone who will ask follow up questions. For example in video 1 when Howard says I think I wasn't on salary at the beginning. How is that an "I think".... he knows if he was on salary or not. Not that anyone cares about that, but we need someone who will be more concise and get to the shit that we care about, not 3 hours of lead up questions. He's the guy that runs pokernews - they could get him on 60 minutes he's not going to just come out and say - we were buying maseratis and laughing at the fools we couldn't replay - it probably won't come out exactly for years the only real question is if they were bunglers or theives - lederer seems to be banking on the we were bunglers side of the story which is pretty hard on his professor image Link to post Share on other sites
Cruz 2 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 One thing that I find kind of strange is that Chris Ferguson was the head honcho at FullTilt from the very beginning and somehow kept that real quiet. With all those commercials, it seems that he was in a real good position to market himself to the public. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 One thing that I find kind of strange is that Chris Ferguson was the head honcho at FullTilt from the very beginning and somehow kept that real quiet. With all those commercials, it seems that he was in a real good position to market himself to the public. He has no personailty - well he has the personality of a chair - it's hard to market that - ballroom dancing and throwing cards at fruit is not nearly as fun as watching Phil Ivey angrily glare at opponents so he can earn enough money to fuel his craps obsession Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I'm guessing that the theme will be that he no longer was involved in the day to day operations and that Ray Bitar didn't let him know how bad the situation was and he'll try to point the finger of blame in every direction that he can. lol so far this is spot on. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Part 3 http://www.pokernews.com/news/2012/09/the-lederer-files-the-backlog-and-black-friday-13436.htm Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Lederer reminds me of this Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 part 4 http://www.pokernews.com/news/2012/09/the-lederer-files-black-friday-aftermath-13444.htm Link to post Share on other sites
Eleusis 2 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Maybe I'm just gullible and stupid, but to me, Howard's interview has an air of truth to it so far (episode 4). Though, I guess it also reminds me of the Iran/Contra scandal when Reagan just couldn't remember anything. Hmmph. I'm reserving judgement for now. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Parivs is well researched but it's like he has his questions and just asks them and moves on to the next The interviewer here needs to follow up and challenge the answers like perhaps "how do you feel having made 40 mill when all these players got screwed under your name and what did you feel morally obligated to do about it?". Based on his actions not much 1 Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 agree with Keith, interviewer is way to passive and is not challenging his answers at all. Very disappointed in this the interview. the magic man and Howard Stern piece was a hell of a lot better lol Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,321 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiSDJPEUqME&feature=youtu.be Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 sigh, I mean we knew he was gonna just claim ignorance, but the whole "i just don't remember" for half the answers is so tilting. Not that b/c he isn't really wanting to answer questions, its just like, "dude, this situation is such a massive issue in your life, you can't convince me that you just don't remember something". Being one of the owners of this company, you remember every detail about the downfall. Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 part 6 http://www.pokernews.com/news/2012/09/the-lederer-files-outstanding-member-loans-tapie-13449.htm Link to post Share on other sites
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