2+2 Is Run By Scumbags

[Bootsy Collins 0]

As someone who is friends with the community that is hosting the Ironman Podcast for 22q and JoeU personally, I was disgusted with the way this matter was handled by Mason.

I was in town this past week and decided to play at the Bellagio last night. I spotted Mason at the 20-40 game and after cashing out my chips, I decided to give him a piece of my mind. He really is a piece of work.

 

 

 

[ajs510 122]

2+2 and HFBoards (hockey) make me truly appreciate this forum and it's lack of overmoderation. Just in case I don't say that enough, Bob and Gov, you guys rock. Alan and Zach, still not sure about you two. <grin>

[fanapathy 0]

I don't post on 2+2 anymore but I recently saw this article: http://www.examiner....2-2-poker-forum

 

Have a heart. It's for charity. Stop being such nits. I get along fine with David Sklansky and feel like he really isn't too involved with all this crap, but Mason Malmuth and that kook moderator are greasy, slimy, nerdy, nutcases and they make me sick.

 

 

[Hockey Guy 4]

Rumor has it that Daniel will be appearing on the podcast. Hopefully they will confirm a time in short order but as of now no time for him has been set.

 

Here's a link to the guests & times they are appearing for easy checking for updates: http://podcastvegas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=195

[fanapathy 0]

In fairness DN,

 

These negative rants and blogs you've been making for probably a couple of years now.

 

While it's a good thing to call out people with too selfish intent, you're not exactly spreading positiviry anymore yourself.

You're not a saint and you're not living up to the positive persona you put up the first era of your time of fame. I don't think you're seeing this and it's questionable you're contributing something good to the community anymore. To say "this guy is a scumbag", even if true however in this case too biased - please give it a bit of thought as a lot of people listen to what you say.

GL and thanks for previously being a superb ambassador.

/2+2 poster

[rcgs59 15]

In fairness DN,

 

These negative rants and blogs you've been making for probably a couple of years now.

 

While it's a good thing to call out people with too selfish intent, you're not exactly spreading positiviry anymore yourself.

You're not a saint and you're not living up to the positive persona you put up the first era of your time of fame. I don't think you're seeing this and it's questionable you're contributing something good to the community anymore. To say "this guy is a scumbag", even if true however in this case too biased - please give it a bit of thought as a lot of people listen to what you say.

GL and thanks for previously being a superb ambassador.

/2+2 poster

 

 

 

get a life, Daniel does volunteer work at a food bank and does lots of other charity work, he helped Guy Lab with the One Drop as well. Daniel will always be a great poker ambassador. Daniel will call a spade a spade, glad he does this.

He also contributed to the hospital that his mom was in and participates in there charity efforts, so please don't comment when you are clueless of what he has done.

[ftpjesus 0]

To this day how Mason Mallmutt has gotten this far in the poker world blows me away. Not a single major poker title in his life, yet he's considered this poker God or something. As for ProfessionalPoker we wont even go there. I think the guy needs to get out of his basement (be it his own or his mothers) and go get some fresh air because it seems he lives to troll users and abuses those he disagrees with.

[Cruz 2]

To this day how Mason Mallmutt has gotten this far in the poker world blows me away. Not a single major poker title in his life, yet he's considered this poker God or something. As for ProfessionalPoker we wont even go there. I think the guy needs to get out of his basement (be it his own or his mothers) and go get some fresh air because it seems he lives to troll users and abuses those he disagrees with.

To be honest I don't have the negative feelings toward Mason Malmuth that DN and other folks in this thread have. MM and I have disagreed but he has always been polite and reasonable. I also believe that he would have come around in the DN ban episode if he hadn't been campaigned privately against doing so.

 

As for PP I'm in total agreement. He and the other moderators seem to speak often as one voice; and that voice is too often from Goofyville. I wish for one day 2+2 would let the rest of us read the moderators' thread so we can see what really makes 2+2 tick.

[DanielNegreanu 141]

I know Daniel's not referencing me personally. I can certainly understand both Daniel's and 2+2's side in the matter.

 

Would it be nice if 2+2 allowed SOME people to post charity threads? Of course. However, there have been instances across 2+2 where charity efforts where they were scams.

 

An example:

http://forumserver.t...499&postcount=1

 

A few things:

 

-outside of the fact that this podcast is for charity, it is content that is valuable to the community and CERTAINLY the members of the forum would be interested in it.

-no, I wasn't referring to you, I was reffering to the HORRIBLE response he got from PP belittling the size of his charity. Please explain why that was necessary and why he shouldn't have to apologize for that, especially if based on the "rules" it's size is irrelevant?

-If I'm not mistaken, 2+2 takes money from online poker sites that serve US customers. Are they willing to ensure those people's accounts who sign up if in the future the funds are siezed and players are scammed? Isn't there enough precedent with what happened on April 15th, 2011 to deem this practice unsafe and not in the best interest of the forum members?

 

As much crap as Mason wants to spout about this being to protect the integrity of the forums, the truth is that it's about MONEY. Fact is, if this charity podcast was willing to pay for advertising, Mason wouldn't think twice about it being a potential scam and he'd take the money. The smokescreen responses he gave is such obvious bull crap and chalk full of holes.

 

The post that was made wasn't simply "Hey guys give my charity some money." They were offering content, a podcast with a wide variety of interesting members of our community. Now, I don't know the answer to this, but were people allowed to listen to the podcast without donating any money? If so, the charity aspect shouldn't even matter. Well no, that's not true, it SHOULD matter because the people putting on the podcast wouldn't be profitting from this, a worthy cause would.

 

The rigidness of the policies just ends up being really stupid at times as well as totally hypocritical.

[DanielNegreanu 141]

Hey guys,My name is Johnny Sep..

 

I am the owner/host of the podcast,

 

First, thank you Daniel, I appreciate you making this thread and making people aware of your opinion. Secondly, I am aware of the 2+2 policy and I can't even say that I completely disagree with it, I think a better policy would be to do 5 minutes worth of research and verify that the charity is okay before completely dismissing and insulting it, obv ProfessionalPoker has that kind of time on his hands. Kevmath posted a link to the UCARE scandal, couple things, first while that was unraveling I did a 3 hour podcast to help expose all of those details, second, the charity didn't have a thread on 2p2, a user came to post about being rolled by the charity, you can't use that as an example of charity backfiring on 2p2 because it never makes it to NVG without the controversy.

 

May as well link to the Barry Greenstein playground thread as an example of the poker community doing something wonderful for a worth cause, or all the Ante Up for Africa threads, etc...

 

The two threads that were posted on 2p2 were posted by people uninvolved in my website and posted because they thought it was topical, I knew that someone would try to make a thread about it at some point so I reached out to Mason Malmuth in advance and that did not got well....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I honestly don't care what 2p2 does and what their policy is, I am fine with them saying no. What is not okay is the way they treat and talk to people, especially those attempting to do something good for someone else...

 

That's the part that is mind boggling to me.

 

What an absolute dick! Mason you are a piece of shit. A serious piece of garbage. I mean seriously!!! This guy comes to you FIRST with all the details, making sure he doesn't break any of your Nazi rules and you come at him with that ****ing response? You are such a scumbag. You make it seem like the guy was begging you for money or asking if it's ok to post tranny porn in NVG. You really think your response was appropriate?

 

Even if you want to stick to your guns and not let him post it, could you not have come up with something a little more kind? Maybe like, "Sorry, it's against our policy to allow that, but I wish you the best with your podcast."

 

You are so insanely rude Mason. Have you no heart whatsoever? Guy here is trying to do a GOOD thing and you treat him like he's being a nuisance. You just suck Mason.

[DanielNegreanu 141]

In fairness DN,

 

These negative rants and blogs you've been making for probably a couple of years now.

 

While it's a good thing to call out people with too selfish intent, you're not exactly spreading positiviry anymore yourself.

You're not a saint and you're not living up to the positive persona you put up the first era of your time of fame. I don't think you're seeing this and it's questionable you're contributing something good to the community anymore. To say "this guy is a scumbag", even if true however in this case too biased - please give it a bit of thought as a lot of people listen to what you say.

GL and thanks for previously being a superb ambassador.

/2+2 poster

 

You are entitled to your opinion sir, but I haven't changed. In fact, my earliest posts were much more harsh then they are today. I reserve the extra harsh criticisms for situations I deem to be more serious than others. Do I think Mason is an absolute scumbag? Oh yeah. Big time. A total doucheclown. I'm disgusted by the way he treats people and I'm not one to shy away from my opinions on stuff like that.

I've never been a saint, nor have I claimed to be. I never scammed anybody, never cheated at poker, or done things I felt were unethical, but I'm not a saint not will I strive to be one. I'll just be me, which occasionally includes a a rant or two about things that piss me off. Hey, you might not like that, but it's me being real rather than a politician.

[Cruz 2]

2+2 needs to give its members a lot more credit. A member posting a link to a podcast which discusses a charity is by no means the same as 2+2 endorsing that charity. Obviously anyone who listens to the podcast is going to use their own judgement in deciding if that charity is something to which they want to contribute. 2+2 could only conceivably be criticized if they overtly promoted some shady charity. That simply wasn't the case here.

 

If 2+2 were to receive compaints about the charity or have some other reason to believe the charity isn't above board then they should delete the post. Otherwise they shouldn't be trying so hard to protect its members from the outside world.

 

Charities save lives. I think that it would be far better to make a few mistakes than to not take every opportunity to save those lives.

[Jasep 1]

Hey Daniel, to answer the question you asked earlier...

 

No, their is no charge to listen to the podcast... Even if we don't raise a ton of money it is important to raise awareness... 1 in 2000 kids have this disease and it hardly gets any exposure. We want to help those children have a better life. I don't expect anyone who cannot afford it to have to pay to listen to us talk about it. If the listeners walk away feeling like they heard some good radio and got a lot of poker info and some knowledge about a serious affliction I will be just as happy and I am sure the charity will as well.

 

We do poker podcasts all week, every week and have never charged for it and we never will, this is one particular event is us trying to help out a very worthy cause.

 

To be fair, I have stated that anyone who wants a downloadable copy of the entire 50 hours after it is over can get it no problem if they donate something to the charity, 50 cents for all I care, but the reality of it is that if anyone contacts us and says "Hey guys, I would love to have a download of the show but I can't spare the 50 cents" I am going to give it to them for free anyway 100% of the time.

[Hockey Guy 4]

Hey Daniel, to answer the question you asked earlier...

 

No, their is no charge to listen to the podcast... Even if we don't raise a ton of money it is important to raise awareness... 1-2000 kids have this disease and it hardly gets any exposure. We want to help those children have a better life. I don't expect anyone who cannot afford it to have to pay to listen to us talk about it. If the listeners walk away feeling like they heard some good radio and got a lot of poker info and some knowledge about a serious affliction I will be just as happy and I am sure the charity will as well.

 

I just want to add that it's 1 in 2000 kids have this & not 1000 to 2000 total. This is a lot more common than anybody realizes.

 

Here's a story about it: http://pokerfuse.com/news/media-and-software/marathon-poker-podcast-benefiting-22qorg-charity-begins-weekend/

 

Thank you Daniel for taking a stand.

[rcgs59 15]

Daniel , you need to run for office

[Jasep 1]

I just want to add that it's 1 in 2000 kids have this & not 1000 to 2000 total. This is a lot more common than anybody realizes.

 

Here's a story about it: http://pokerfuse.com...begins-weekend/

 

Thank you Daniel for taking a stand.

 

Edited my post, you are correct sir... It was pretty late when I wrote that

[JoeU 2]

I just wanted to add here that since this shitstorm began, PP has privately apologized to me for the way he handled this. I really don't feel like posting this in the 2+2 thread just yet because some of the people in that thread are completely retarded and their views are a little warped.

 

Just to make sure I am clear, I never asked for any money. I posted that the podcast was happening, and people could learn more about 22q at the website. He read just the beginning and thought I would be asking for money for a charity and just deleted it.

 

And to make one more thing very clear, The guys at VPR approached me about doing this podcast for charity, I never asked them to do it. John has the biggest heart of just about anyone over there. When he was asked why he was doing this, he responded to me that "if his daughter had a problem, and needed help, he'd hope someone would do this for him". So when people talk about paying something forward, it has to start from the first step. It takes a pretty big person or group of people to take that first step. John, Brandon, and Kevin are that group.

 

The whole 2+2 policy chat and Mason's personal defense (and selfless plug for his charity) are just a footnote (but a very big footnote) to this story.

 

I am thankful to Daniel, and everyone else here for taking this fight up over there. Indirectly, you have started to raise awareness for 22q, which is my purpose and goal every day for my daughter.

 

 

Joe

[Breaking Bad Poker 1]

I gave up on 2+2 long ago and mostly due to the clueless moderators and their asshat ways. The matter detailed in this topic - and how the 2+2 mods (and management) handled it are not surprising in the least.

 

A mod like Kevmath is the rare exception.

 

At least you didn't have to deal with the idiot who goes by the user name, Rapini. He makes MM and DS look like Dale Carnegie.

 

What a shame...

[Loki7 0]

DN,

 

Sure it's about money. What's wrong with that? If Joe wanted to plug his piece in a TV show, in a newspaper, or, say, in Google ads (have his podcast/charity at the top of Google searches) for free, and was turned down, would you say people turning him down were scumbags as well? Truth is, 2p2, and particularly NVG, is not that much different. Sure owners want to make money. They are fully entitled to this for creating a hugely successful internet poker hub. And yes, 2p2 is allowing ads for some questionable sites. They are not angels, but they still have way more ethic and morals than 90% of the poker sites out there: they never advertised UB after the scandal, they shut down the site when the passwords were compromised, etc, etc. They could've probably handled the situation better and be a bit more polite and professional. Mason was never known for being gracious and diplomatic. Does this make him a scumbag though?

[DanielNegreanu 141]

DN,

 

Sure it's about money. What's wrong with that? If Joe wanted to plug his piece in a TV show, in a newspaper, or, say, in Google ads (have his podcast/charity at the top of Google searches) for free, and was turned down, would you say people turning him down were scumbags as well? Truth is, 2p2, and particularly NVG, is not that much different. Sure owners want to make money. They are fully entitled to this for creating a hugely successful internet poker hub. And yes, 2p2 is allowing ads for some questionable sites. They are not angels, but they still have way more ethic and morals than 90% of the poker sites out there: they never advertised UB after the scandal, they shut down the site when the passwords were compromised, etc, etc. They could've probably handled the situation better and be a bit more polite and professional. Mason was never known for being gracious and diplomatic. Does this make him a scumbag though?

 

 

Because he is flat out lying? If it's all about money, which is obvious, then just admit and stop trying to convince people that it's to protect people from getting scammed by an illegitimate charity. That's not true at all. If they paid for advertising they wouldn't give a crap if the charity was legit, as long as they get paid.

[All In Jim 0]

I gave up on 2+2 long ago and mostly due to the clueless moderators and their asshat ways. The matter detailed in this topic - and how the 2+2 mods (and management) handled it are not surprising in the least.

 

A mod like Kevmath is the rare exception.

 

At least you didn't have to deal with the idiot who goes by the user name, Rapini. He makes MM and DS look like Dale Carnegie.

Funny last sentence but I don't think people under 45 know who Dale Carnegie is.

[Hockey Guy 4]

Apparently I've been perma-banned on 2+2. I guess I tried one too many posts on the subject.

 

Every post I ever made has been deleted. Don't they realize some of those threads won't make sense now.

 

My god, think of the children.

[Loki7 0]

Because he is flat out lying? If it's all about money, which is obvious, then just admit and stop trying to convince people that it's to protect people from getting scammed by an illegitimate charity. That's not true at all. If they paid for advertising they wouldn't give a crap if the charity was legit, as long as they get paid.

 

Well, to be fair this does protect people against the kind of scams a Joe Shmoe would run. Your regular forum scammer is not going to pay up for an ad placement. Wouldn't protect against more elaborate scammers like Annie Duke, but hey, there's a lot more Joe Shmoes than Annies. So it is a legit reason, albeit perhaps not the main one. Does telling half the truth make you a scumbag though?

[Cruz 2]

Apparently I've been perma-banned on 2+2. I guess I tried one too many posts on the subject.

 

Every post I ever made has been deleted. Don't they realize some of those threads won't make sense now.

 

My god, think of the children.

 

That's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in a forum. It's true. Not only does it seem that you have been banned but every post you have ever made at 2plus2 has been deleted.

 

Kevmath just posted this:

"It should be noted that the thread about 2+2 and charities in ATF was nuked as the person who started the thread has vanished."

 

Behind every great police state stands a control freak.

[Hockey Guy 4]

That's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in a forum. It's true. Not only does it seem that you have been banned but every post you have ever made at 2plus2 has been deleted.

 

Kevmath just posted this:

"It should be noted that the thread about 2+2 and charities in ATF was nuked as the person who started the thread has vanished."

 

Behind every great police state stands a control freak.

 

Thanks for standing up & letting this be known.

 

My 2nd last post was in response to a green mod venice10 who posted this:

In this case, the main purpose of the podcast to to raise money, much like the Jerry Lewis marathon. In reading the various posts, nowhere have I seen anything that indicated that any subject of interest was going to be discussed outside of raising money. You yourself couldn't avoid combining "charity" with "podcast." Now if someone had posted, "DN is coming on this podcast with Jennifer Harmon and Erick Lindgren to discuss what it was like to be part of the top team on FTP and how they felt about taking all the money," it would be newsworthy and people would want to listen to it.

 

I bolded this part then responded that I had posted the guest list earlier in the thread & then posted it again with updated times for alot of the guests including DN & I thought this was not only topical but interesting. He is scheduled to appear @ 5PM tonight BTW. I also pointed out that they obviously have no idea what they are going to talk about with these guests & to assume they will be talking about the charity for 50 straight hours is kind of silly. I also said that it should be interesting & entertaining & if it's not I will turn it off myself just like anybody would with the Jerry Lewis Telethon.

 

Somebody then made a joke that I was actually DN & I jokingly responded that I obviously wasn't because I never called anybody a scumbag in my posts or called anybody any names at all. Next thing I know I'm nuked. I didn't realize posting the guest list, which I had posted already, was considered spam. Nowhere in my original thread or subsequent posts did I ever mention the name of the podcast or charity or link to them. Maybe they thought I called someone a scumbag. I don't know since I can't discuss it with anybody. Maybe they don't believe that I have absolutely nothing to do with the charity or the podcast other than being friendly online with 2 of the hosts. I suspect this but I'm not sure.

 

I also started a dupe after I was banned so I could respond to Kevmath who stated I had vanished. My exact response was "I'm pretty sure he was banned". This was immediately deleted & this account nuked. I obviously knew this would probably happen but I felt they were making it look like I requested it be taken down & I needed to set the record straight. I'm sure noone saw it though. This was all I was going to say on the subject & I have no ill will towards Kevmath or any mod for deleting a dupe because obviously they have to.

 

I see you're having a back & forth with Bobo Fett. He's a reasonable man too.