brvheart 1,747 Posted June 4, 2012 Author Share Posted June 4, 2012 I'm just saying your "secular government" vs. "christian community" is a false distinction. The government is made up of "christians".I prefer this. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I'm just saying your "secular government" vs. "christian community" is a false distinction. The government is made up of christians.The government that protects your freedoms buddy.Don't forget that. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 I always knew you were big government. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Poor atheist...can't help but get their panties in a bunch whenever possible Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Literally praying for rain is pretty retarded though. Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 We should be grilling the presidential candidates to find out which has the best anti-recession prayer. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Literally praying for rain is pretty retarded though.Which is more retarded?Saying I'll pray for XSaying You can't say that Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Which is more retarded?Saying I'll pray for XSaying You can't say thatBelieving that praying for rain will bring rain is definitely the most retarded. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Believing that praying for rain will bring rain is definitely the most retarded.Because you know the framework of the universe and all cause and effect methods that are possible in all contexts? Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Nope. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 What a retard Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Praying for rain is different than praying for the souls of the dead and dying. I'm pretty sure you know that. I mean I don't pray, period, but I'm pretty sure you do and I'm pretty sure you know that rain dances (essentially) are ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 The difference being that praying for the dead isn't an attempt to actually bring them back to life. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Think you guys are confused, only Mormons pray for the dead, and some confused Catholics.Obama is a muslim...not a mormon.... Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Oh yeah, he seems to have made it clear that the prayers were for the living and not the dead: "All of us must have the people of Aurora in our thoughts and prayers as they confront the loss of family, friends, and neighbors, and we must stand together with them in the challenging hours and days to come."Either way, seems way less ridiculous than a prayer for rain. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Either way, seems way less ridiculous than a prayer for rain.In the entire history of prayer, the vast majority of prayers have been people entreating the God(s) to do some favor, grant some boon, have a good harvest, make their wife fertile, cure some illness, protect them from their enemies, w/e. If you accept the existence of God(s), then praying for rain seems like a completely reasonable and rational thing to do.It's the given that's the issue. Link to post Share on other sites
colonel Feathers 5 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 The difference being that praying for the dead isn't an attempt to actually bring them back to life.No but praying for an ace on the river, is an attempt to rearange the deck in the dealers hands. Link to post Share on other sites
BaseJester 1 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 The difference being that praying for the dead isn't an attempt to actually bring them back to life.Yes, it is, albeit in a supernatural and unverifiable sense. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Atheist finally admits that trying to say religion's cause war is silly Moreover, the chief complaint against religion -- that it is history's prime instigator of intergroup conflict -- does not withstand scrutiny. Religious issues motivate only a small minority of recorded wars. The Encyclopedia of Wars surveyed 1,763 violent conflicts across history; only 123 (7 percent) were religious. A BBC-sponsored "God and War" audit, which evaluated major conflicts over 3,500 years and rated them on a 0-to-5 scale for religious motivation (Punic Wars = 0, Crusades = 5), found that more than 60 percent had no religious motivation. Less than 7 percent earned a rating greater than 3. There was little religious motivation for the internecine Russian and Chinese conflicts or the world wars responsible for history's most lethal century of international bloodshed. Hope you guys finally accept this instead of making me mock you for saying this over and over and over again. Link to post Share on other sites
BaseJester 1 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Atheist finally admits that trying to say religion's cause war is sillyHope you guys finally accept this instead of making me mock you for saying this over and over and over again.In other words, religion has played some part in starting 40% of wars.And, the article continues:Although surprisingly few wars are started by religions, once they start, religion -- and the values it imposes -- can play a critical role. When competing interests are framed in terms of religious and sacred values, conflict may persist for decades, even centuries.So, sure, I accept that. It's just not a slam-dunk win for religion. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 In other words, religion has played some part in starting 40% of wars.And, the article continues:So, sure, I accept that. It's just not a slam-dunk win for religion.Yes it is....and his statement about religion's influence toward duration are irrelevant. Since places like the Balkans, Ireland etc may have religion at their roots, but the cause has long since passed into one of 'that's the way its always been' realities of life in the regions.At the end of the day, atheist are stuck having to swallow that another one of their oft touted foundations of truth that support their claims was always make believe, and there was never any data to support it, showing that atheist are founding their beliefs on faith and wishes, not science and facts. Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 At the end of the day, atheist are stuck having to swallow that another one of their oft touted foundations of truth that support their claims was always make believe, and there was never any data to support it, showing that atheist are founding their beliefs on faith and wishes, not science and facts.Though, it's unclear how the fraction of wars started in the name of religion addresses the overall issue that the central belief structures of all religions are false. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Though, it's unclear how the fraction of wars started in the name of religion addresses the overall issue that the central belief structures of all religions are false.Probably by using the same logic that let them write books and get sheep to buy them that said religion was the single greatest threat to mankind? Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 pretty sure most atheists download illegally bg Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Figures... Link to post Share on other sites
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