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End of the day Zimmerman should be tried for escalating the incident into a killing. The kid didn't deserve death even if he was casing the place. What that translates into legally I don't know, manslaughter maybe?The story has become a racist lightning rod though, and Zimmerman and his family are going to be killed because of opportunist idiots latching onto this kid's death for their own personal gain.It's just all bad.
That's all reasonable people are asking for: a trial. You can't just send him home. I would say this is 2nd Degree Manslaughter which is when you cause someone to die because of recklessness. It carries a maximum sentence of 15 years; I would think if he was guilty of that as a first time offender he would get 5-7 years.I think we all agree that the liberal media is demonizing Zimmerman and trying him in the media and the conservative media has responded by trying to undermine the image of Trayvon Martin and point out the opportunism of the Al Sharptons of the world. That's what the media does now and it is too bad.
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If you have any evidence that anyone has said this kid exhibited actual suspicious activity, now would be a good time to share.
Zimmerman hasn't been arrested yet. Or has he?
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Explain how what I wrote was racist BS please.911 never said: "Do not chase him", They said "That's not necessary"And I love your double standards.Zimmerman couldn't know the kid was 6'3" and muscular and had tattoos and suspended from school for pot and punching bus drivers...but the kid knew he had a gun so he would never turn and punch the guy.I guess the guy punched himself?
You can see a gun. You can't see tattoos through a sweatshirt or know a person's school history by looking at him. My theory is plausible because of the power of human vision. Yours assumes super powers. Unless you just assume Martin had tattoos and a history of suspensions because he's big and black which is what Sharpton would say happened.I think that assuming someone is a criminal getting away based on 1) he is walking down a street and 2) I don't know him-----because that's how it was sometimes in this countries' history is racistZD, he has not been arrested. He was not even taken to a police station, ffs.
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That's all reasonable people are asking for: a trial. You can't just send him home. I would say this is 2nd Degree Manslaughter which is when you cause someone to die because of recklessness. It carries a maximum sentence of 15 years; I would think if he was guilty of that as a first time offender he would get 5-7 years.I think we all agree that the liberal media is demonizing Zimmerman and trying him in the media and the conservative media has responded by trying to undermine the image of Trayvon Martin and point out the opportunism of the Al Sharptons of the world. That's what the media does now and it is too bad.
What conservative media? I haven't seen anything like that. Has there been something like that on foxnews. I don't watch foxnews so I wouldn't know. Is the media really "undermining" his image or rounding it out a bit.
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You can see a gun. You can't see tattoos through a sweatshirt or know a person's school history by looking at him. My theory is plausible because of the power of human vision. Yours assumes super powers. Unless you just assume Martin had tattoos and a history of suspensions because he's big and black which is what Sharpton would say happened.I think that assuming someone is a criminal getting away based on 1) he is walking down a street and 2) I don't know him-----because that's how it was sometimes in this countries' history is racistZD, he has not been arrested. He was not even taken to a police station, ffs.
Waiting for an explanation of my racism...although I suspect its just projection...
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You can see a gun. You can't see tattoos through a sweatshirt or know a person's school history by looking at him. My theory is plausible because of the power of human vision. Yours assumes super powers. Unless you just assume Martin had tattoos and a history of suspensions because he's big and black which is what Sharpton would say happened.I think that assuming someone is a criminal getting away based on 1) he is walking down a street and 2) I don't know him-----because that's how it was sometimes in this countries' history is racistZD, he has not been arrested. He was not even taken to a police station, ffs.
I don't think BG's point is that Zimmerman knew these things, it is that the smiling picture(probably years old) , and constant use of the word 'skittles' in media reports is bullshit designed propaganda to support the narrative they want to portray, namely that there is a rash of blacks being killed by whites for simply walking around with hoodies. It is bullshit, the article I linked also goes towards that end, not the guilt or innocence of Martin or Zimmerman.
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What conservative media? I haven't seen anything like that. Has there been something like that on foxnews. I don't watch foxnews so I wouldn't know. Is the media really "undermining" his image or rounding it out a bit.
so when the liberal media points out he was holding a bag of candy and not a gun they are purposefully trying to make him sympathetic but when conservatives websites start digging around into whether he has been done anything wrong in the past ever (because then this whole thing is totally justified!) they are just rounding it out a bit.
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Here comes Pot Odds RAC. Must be a gun thread.Zimmerman was bloodied and beaten. You can die from a single punch to the face. Easily. For Example: http://www.lvrj.com/news/murder-charge-dro...-140758103.htmlYou don't have to wait for your dying breath to use lethal force.Zimmerman might have been able to deescalate the situation better. But had no legal requirement to do so. Everything else is speculation. There don't seem to be many more facts to support a legal argument beyond that.Based on the definition of Self Defense and Florida Laws, Zimmerman apparently acted within the Law.To make this a race issue on the National Level is even more ridiculous. I do predict a riot in Detroit over a case that happened in Florida.

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Here comes Pot Odds RAC. Must be a gun thread.Zimmerman was bloodied and beaten. You can die from a single punch to the face. Easily. For Example: http://www.lvrj.com/news/murder-charge-dro...-140758103.htmlYou don't have to wait for your dying breath to use lethal force.Zimmerman might have been able to deescalate the situation better. But had no legal requirement to do so. Everything else is speculation. There don't seem to be many more facts to support a legal argument beyond that.Based on the definition of Self Defense and Florida Laws, Zimmerman apparently acted within the Law.To make this a race issue on the National Level is even more ridiculous. I do predict a riot in Detroit over a case that happened in Florida.
So, you're saying it would be okay if I were to punch you and then shoot and kill you with my concealed handgun when you punch me back? Cool.
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Zimmerman might have been able to deescalate the situation better. But had no legal requirement to do so.
"might?" ha-ha.No, he had no legal requirement to not follow someone with a gun but that might negate his self-defense claim.
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Here comes Pot Odds RAC. Must be a gun thread.Zimmerman was bloodied and beaten. You can die from a single punch to the face. Easily. For Example: http://www.lvrj.com/news/murder-charge-dro...-140758103.htmlYou don't have to wait for your dying breath to use lethal force.Zimmerman might have been able to deescalate the situation better. But had no legal requirement to do so. Everything else is speculation. There don't seem to be many more facts to support a legal argument beyond that.Based on the definition of Self Defense and Florida Laws, Zimmerman apparently acted within the Law.To make this a race issue on the National Level is even more ridiculous. I do predict a riot in Detroit over a case that happened in Florida.
Its not about Zimmerman having been able to deescalate the situation its about the fact that he instigated it. After being advised not to, while armed he followed Martin because he looked "suspicious", he sounded incredibly paranoid and irrational in the tapes that I've heard and can only imagine how he sound as he approached Martin. Was the gun visibable? Did he identify himself as neighborhood watch..if I had a guy follow me for several minutes, could see a gun and was rambling I'd likely be scared for my life and defend myself in whatever way I could.
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so when the liberal media points out he was holding a bag of candy and not a gun they are purposefully trying to make him sympathetic but when conservatives websites start digging around into whether he has been done anything wrong in the past ever (because then this whole thing is totally justified!) they are just rounding it out a bit.
Again I ask! What conservative media? I am familiar with many of the conservative blogs and none are saying much at all about any of this. So you think things like him being 6ft 3 inches tall being suspended from school for punching a bus driver should be left out of media accounts? A guy has been tried and convicted to death in the media already, and yet media, who point out that this kid may not be exactly the person the mains stream media has been portraying for a week now, are somehow deficient? Come on, I don't think you even believe that.
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Here comes Pot Odds RAC. Must be a gun thread.Zimmerman was bloodied and beaten. You can die from a single punch to the face. Easily. For Example: http://www.lvrj.com/news/murder-charge-dro...-140758103.htmlYou don't have to wait for your dying breath to use lethal force.Zimmerman might have been able to deescalate the situation better. But had no legal requirement to do so. Everything else is speculation. There don't seem to be many more facts to support a legal argument beyond that.Based on the definition of Self Defense and Florida Laws, Zimmerman apparently acted within the Law.To make this a race issue on the National Level is even more ridiculous. I do predict a riot in Detroit over a case that happened in Florida.
It appears to me as I've pointed out before that if Trayvon had a gun he would have been within his rights to shoot and kill Zimmerman before Zimmerman got close to him based on Florida law. You can't claim self defense when you are the one who initiates the conflict.
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So, you're saying it would be okay if I were to punch you and then shoot and kill you with my concealed handgun when you punch me back? Cool.
Did I say that?By punching me in the first place you've started an assault. Most Self Defense laws require that you are acting within the law when you defend yourself - you can't be in the process of committing a crime or in a place you are not legally allowed to be. So, no. You don't get to start an assault and then claim self defense. By all accounts that I have read, Zimmeman was acting in a legal manner prior to using lethal force. The one thing that might doom Zimmerman is that you can't be actively escalating a situation. Some legal definitions of Self Defense include a provision for avoidance of a deadly situation (This is true even with some "Stand Your Ground" legislation). The "avoidance" can refer to you not also being part of the escalation. For example someone cuts you off on the road (or you cut them off). You start screaming at each other. You flip him off. He stops his car. You decide to stop your car too, and keep screaming at the other guy, then get out of the car and continue to escalate. You approach each other. And then finally the other guy pulls a gun and then you shoot him in self defense. You had plenty of opportunity to avoid this confrontation, but kept engaging and escalating.Zimmerman probably has the right to investigate and detain. The question in this case is: "Did Zimmerman under Florida law have a requirement to Avoid the conflict?"
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It appears to me as I've pointed out before that if Trayvon had a gun he would have been within his rights to shoot and kill Zimmerman before Zimmerman got close to him based on Florida law. You can't claim self defense when you are the one who initiates the conflict.
I mean, Yes you are correct, we all seem to agree on that part, if he was simply walking through the neighborhood and Zimmerman had his gun drawn. Yet, even with all the media hype, the state and fed govt getting involved there still isn't an arrest. Would you consider the possibility that maybe what has made it into media reports is not exactly what happened. Are you saying the Florida law says it would be ok to kill someone who is following you? Or even punch them for that matter? I don't think so. If your point is this law is unclear you may be right, but as of now the facts are very unclear as well.
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It appears to me as I've pointed out before that if Trayvon had a gun he would have been within his rights to shoot and kill Zimmerman before Zimmerman got close to him based on Florida law. You can't claim self defense when you are the one who initiates the conflict.
There isn't any proof of who initiated and escalated the Conflict at this point. If Zimmerman was carrying a weapon and identified himself properly and wasn't acting aggressively, then just having a weapon isn't an aggressive act - even though many people, especially Non Americans, have an irrational fear of guns.
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Again I ask! What conservative media? I am familiar with many of the conservative blogs and none are saying much at all about any of this. So you think things like him being 6ft 3 inches tall being suspended from school for punching a bus driver should be left out of media accounts? A guy has been tried and convicted to death in the media already, and yet media, who point out that this kid may not be exactly the person the mains stream media has been portraying for a week now, are somehow deficient? Come on, I don't think you even believe that.
I don't believe any of the nonsense you wrote here. I don't think trying and convicting the shooter is any different from trying to try and convict the victim.first they were ignoring it: http://themoderatevoice.com/142222/nearly-...martin-killing/this is my favorite: http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was...n-a-drug-dealer
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Again I ask! What conservative media? I am familiar with many of the conservative blogs and none are saying much at all about any of this. So you think things like him being 6ft 3 inches tall being suspended from school for punching a bus driver should be left out of media accounts? A guy has been tried and convicted to death in the media already, and yet media, who point out that this kid may not be exactly the person the mains stream media has been portraying for a week now, are somehow deficient? Come on, I don't think you even believe that.
First I've seen numberous mention of the size of this kid, second from accounts that are being released today he was suspended for a pot related offence. Are either of these things all that relevant considering the only reason any of this happened is because while armed he followed a kid because he looked suspicious (ie black, in a hoodie)? People saying "if he wasn't dressed that way" or "look at his history" are right in line with questioning a rape victim for what she wore and he sexual history.
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There isn't any proof of who initiated and escalated the Conflict at this point. If Zimmerman was carrying a weapon and identified himself properly and wasn't acting aggressively, then just having a weapon isn't an aggressive act - even though many people, especially Non Americans, have an irrational fear of guns.
I guess I have an irrational fear of poisonous snakes and all other things that could easily kill me.There's plenty of proof who initiated the conflict. He followed after someone with a gun after being told not to do so. He said "these ****ers always get away". This kid sure didn't get away. I think the idea that following after someone in the dark who is just walking with a loaded gun isn't an aggressive act is the funniest thing I've heard said in connection to this case.
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I don't believe any of the nonsense you wrote here. I don't think trying and convicting the shooter is any different from trying to try and convict the victim.first they were ignoring it: http://themoderatevoice.com/142222/nearly-...martin-killing/this is my favorite: http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was...n-a-drug-dealer
But you don't' see a difference between the ABC news and www.wagist.com. Which me, and most of the rest of the world has never heard of.
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People saying "if he wasn't dressed that way" or "look at his history" are right in line with questioning a rape victim for what she wore and he sexual history.
ding, ding, ding. Not to mention you can't say the media is biased and is crucifying Zimmerman and then claim that all these new reports about his pot suspension and gold teeth and tattoos came from liberal media biased for Martin. Unless, Zealous is admitting that the mainstream media isn't really that biased after all.
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But you don't' see a difference between the ABC news and www.wagist.com. Which me, and most of the rest of the world has never heard of.
I'd post Fox News coverage of the Martin incident if there was any.
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Zimmerman probably has the right to investigate and detain. The question in this case is: "Did Zimmerman under Florida law have a requirement to Avoid the conflict?"
There isn't any proof of who initiated and escalated the Conflict at this point. If Zimmerman was carrying a weapon and identified himself properly and wasn't acting aggressively, then just having a weapon isn't an aggressive act - even though many people, especially Non Americans, have an irrational fear of guns.
Zimmerman was neighbourhood watch. He had no right to detain anybody and even if he did what was the reason to detain the kid, walking while Black wearing a hoodie ?
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