nutzbuster 7 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 If If If...we could play that game all damn day.I love how NBC still wants to trump this up... "Zimmerman, A White man with hispanic heritage". Seriously? Lets highlight the most controversial angle to decribe him. You think thed'y have learned their lesson.And Trevons father is also on the Police interview transcript where he told investigators the screams did not belong to his son when he heard the recordings two days after the shooting.:insert carnival music here: Link to post Share on other sites
irishguy 14 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 I think the "if's" are pretty reasonable especially on a forum where the "slippery slope" argument is thrown around daily. I'm not even talking about how the media has spun the story, the only facts that seem to be known are that Zimmerman after being told not to followed and approached Martin-its very reasonable to suggest from his tone in the recorded calls that it was in a hostile or aggresive manner and boggles me that people think theres nothing criminally wrong with that nor should there be. With the little we actually know I don't think he should be facing the charges he is but to say that he's not accountable is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 He was not told 'not to follow'He was asked if he was following, when he said yes they clearly said : That is not necessary"This is after multiple other calls where the police arrived too late to catch the persons breaking into houses in this community.Zimmerman is responsible for escalating the situation, I agree with you. But he was never ordered to not follow as has been reported. He also is the one calling the police from the beginning, which clearly makes the prosecution fools for trying him on pre-meditated anything..Two guys, made a mole hill into a mountain, and one of them paid way too high a price.But involuntary manslaughter is the worst he should be tried for. And his attorney would have a reasonable defense that he was entrusted to 'watch' the neighborhood, and the high level of crime gave him a reasonable excuse to escalate.I think a jury could go either way.But it is interesting that the media has completely dropped this story, now that its not a clear case of a white guy chasing down a child who was only eating skittles and shot him in the back for being black. In the mean time they are ignoring the number of racists attacks on whites by blacks who are citing Trayvon as their reason. Link to post Share on other sites
phlegm 6 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 He was not told 'not to follow'He was asked if he was following, when he said yes they clearly said : That is not necessary"This is after multiple other calls where the police arrived too late to catch the persons breaking into houses in this community.Zimmerman is responsible for escalating the situation, I agree with you. But he was never ordered to not follow as has been reported. He also is the one calling the police from the beginning, which clearly makes the prosecution fools for trying him on pre-meditated anything..Two guys, made a mole hill into a mountain, and one of them paid way too high a price.But involuntary manslaughter is the worst he should be tried for. And his attorney would have a reasonable defense that he was entrusted to 'watch' the neighborhood, and the high level of crime gave him a reasonable excuse to escalate.I think a jury could go either way.But it is interesting that the media has completely dropped this story, now that its not a clear case of a white guy chasing down a child who was only eating skittles and shot him in the back for being black. In the mean time they are ignoring the number of racists attacks on whites by blacks who are citing Trayvon as their reason.It is not really clear that zimmerman did in fact escalate the situation. According to him, after being told to back off, he did, then was jumped by martin.An interesting fact about this whole thing is, suppose zimmerman never called 911,and the only evidence was the injuries to zimmerman, and a shot martin. They wouldnt have charged him with anything. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 I think the "if's" are pretty reasonable especially on a forum where the "slippery slope" argument is thrown around daily.I'm not even talking about how the media has spun the story, the only facts that seem to be known are that Zimmerman after being told not to followed and approached Martin-its very reasonable to suggest from his tone in the recorded calls that it was in a hostile or aggresive manner and boggles me that people think theres nothing criminally wrong with that nor should there be. With the little we actually know I don't think he should be facing the charges he is but to say that he's not accountable is ridiculous.I also believe that we should start jailing people, for not breaking the law, if anything bad ends up happening based on their less than optimal decisions. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 It is not really clear that zimmerman did in fact escalate the situation. According to him, after being told to back off, he did, then was jumped by martin.An interesting fact about this whole thing is, suppose zimmerman never called 911,and the only evidence was the injuries to zimmerman, and a shot martin. They wouldnt have charged him with anything.No, Zimmerman escalated the situation, not enough to deserve being attacked for it, but he did. Trayvon made it worse, not enough to die for, but he made it worse.The real problem is that two people who are mostly stupid have created a situation where the media has fanned a racism charge where the real charge should be a stupidity charge. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 No, Zimmerman escalated the situation, not enough to deserve being attacked for it, but he did. Trayvon made it worse, not enough to die for, but he made it worse.The real problem is that two people who are mostly stupid have created a situation where the media has fanned a racism charge where the real charge should be a stupidity charge.And really, that should probably be the end of the discussion. If either one of them was sensible the whole thing could've been avoided. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 No, Zimmerman escalated the situation, not enough to deserve being attacked for it, but he did. Trayvon made it worse, not enough to die for, but he made it worse.The real problem is that two people who are mostly stupid have created a situation where the media has fanned a racism charge where the real charge should be a stupidity charge.We don't know how exactly Zimmerman escalated in the situation. If he did in a way that Trayvon was scared for his life, then Trayvon could have tried to defend himself by attacking Zimmerman.Unfortunately we'll never know exactly what happened.during those few minutes Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 no. When someone breaks a law.This was very well done. Link to post Share on other sites
phlegm 6 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Tell me where Im wrong here.If Martin knew zimmerman had a gun, would he have attacked him? Prolly no. Since all physical injuries are on zimmerman, then martin is the true aggressor. Attacking someone cause they are following you, or even acting aggressive toward you is not legal. Nad zimerman not been armed, wouldnt martin be the one in trouble here? Link to post Share on other sites
irishguy 14 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 No, Zimmerman escalated the situation, not enough to deserve being attacked for it, but he did. Trayvon made it worse, not enough to die for, but he made it worse.The real problem is that two people who are mostly stupid have created a situation where the media has fanned a racism charge where the real charge should be a stupidity charge. AgreedI also believe that we should start jailing people, for not breaking the law, if anything bad ends up happening based on their less than optimal decisions. Very intelligent insight. Link to post Share on other sites
irishguy 14 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Tell me where Im wrong here.If Martin knew zimmerman had a gun, would he have attacked him? Prolly no. Since all physical injuries are on zimmerman, then martin is the true aggressor. Attacking someone cause they are following you, or even acting aggressive toward you is not legal. Nad zimerman not been armed, wouldnt martin be the one in trouble here? Theres no way to know..if the gun was visible and the tone Zimmerman was using it's plausible to think Martin was afraid for his life..It all totally depends on how you view aggressor. The line is blurry here..depending on how you define being aggressive if he grabbed Martin by the arm etc..the whole situation was stupid and shouldn't have happened Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Very intelligent insight.I appreciate that. I had you pegged for an idiot, but it's nice to see that you have the ability to rise above your initial personal feelings to see the truth. Link to post Share on other sites
irishguy 14 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I appreciate that. I had you pegged for an idiot, but it's nice to see that you have the ability to rise above your initial personal feelings to see the truth. Well I still think you're an idiot-maybe just an arrogant prick because clearly you missed the point in the bolded in your well thought out intelligent and insightful reply.I think the "if's" are pretty reasonable especially on a forum where the "slippery slope" argument is thrown around daily.I'm not even talking about how the media has spun the story, the only facts that seem to be known are that Zimmerman after being told not to followed and approached Martin-its very reasonable to suggest from his tone in the recorded calls that it was in a hostile or aggresive manner and boggles me that people think theres nothing criminally wrong with that nor should there be. With the little we actually know I don't think he should be facing the charges he is but to say that he's not accountable is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Well I still think you're an idiot-maybe just an arrogant prick because clearly you missed the point in the bolded in your well thought out intelligent and insightful reply.I'm confused. How can you think I'm an idiot AND think my thought was intelligent and insightful. You crazy. Note to SA21: This whole sentence was a joke.Also: kind of dumb. Please point me to the person that said that they knew that Zimmerman had done nothing wrong, and that nothing he did should be against the law. Link to post Share on other sites
irishguy 14 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 no. When someone breaks a law. I also believe that we should start jailing people, for not breaking the law, if anything bad ends up happening based on their less than optimal decisions. I'm confused. How can you think I'm an idiot AND think my thought was intelligent and insightful. You crazy. Note to SA21: This whole sentence was a joke.Also: kind of dumb. Please point me to the person that said that they knew that Zimmerman had done nothing wrong, and that nothing he did should be against the law.hmm tough to see how I got the impression that thats what you were saying... Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 hmm tough to see how I got the impression that thats what you were saying...I totally agree. Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Since all physical injuries are on zimmerman, then martin is the true aggressor.ummm... Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Uh Oh...If he thought the brothers in jail were going to target him before.,.... Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 The city manager's name is N Bonaparte. That made me laugh. Link to post Share on other sites
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