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It really is a shame that we didn't get even more aggressive in our desire for Canada. If we had the oil sands right now, this economic collapse would have been greatly lessened.

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I much prefer bare insults to tone trolling. Thanks. However, be a little more accurate. You should have left it at the quote edit and the "See? No tone trolling there."The "fake" thing is just unin

It really is a shame that we didn't get even more aggressive in our desire for Canada. If we had the oil sands right now, this economic collapse would have been greatly lessened.
Well, see, you guys WERE aggressive for Canada, as much as you could have been at the time. It's just that you failed miserably.The War of 1812
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I was talking to one of my Canadian friends about US lawyers and he was telling me how some guy sued his company for a super ridiculous lawsuit. I said I thought all scummy people who sued were Americans, he said "Well, he was from Quebec"

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It really is a shame that we didn't get even more aggressive in our desire for Canada. If we had the oil sands right now, this economic collapse would have been greatly lessened.
Why?
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We buy more foreign oil from Canada than any other nation. More than from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, or Venezuela, and it's not close. We buy something like 50% more from Canada than the 2nd place country.
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We buy more foreign oil from Canada than any other nation. More than from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, or Venezuela, and it's not close. We buy something like 50% more from Canada than the 2nd place country.
what material difference does it make if canada is an independent entity vs. being another state? prices probably don't differ much, as that oil would still be competing on a world market, unless you're saying you'd have the government nationalize those oil fields (I'm 100% sure you're not).another issue I have with the claim: they're pretty tiny, though rich per-capita. even though they didn't get crushed like we did, we're talking $1.5T GDP vs. our $14.5T. http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/that spread between wti and brent is massive. I've actually heard that the pipeline the right was screaming about was intended to help move canadian oil overseas quicker, which would obviously close the spread a bit (prices move higher here). I'm not an energy trader, but it's intuitive: that oil wants to go overseas.this post is mostly tongue in cheek. the oil debate is nonsense.
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All economic gains and profits are split among the people of the country. Currently we have no economic gain from resources in Canada, so even if you're just going by GDP, an increase of 10% is still a 10% increase. I didn't say we wouldn't have had economic issues, I just said they would have been lessened, which is true. Cliffs: The founding fathers were pussies for not finishing the job with regards to Canada.

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All economic gains and profits are split among the people of the country. Currently we have no economic gain from resources in Canada, so even if you're just going by GDP, an increase of 10% is still a 10% increase. I didn't say we wouldn't have had economic issues, I just said they would have been lessened, which is true. Cliffs: The founding fathers were pussies for not finishing the job with regards to Canada.
looks like it'd have been a lot less than a 10% bump... probably more like a difference of 100-200B at most, having canada vs. not during this recession. so, lessened by a hair or two? I don't know.I'm glad they stayed independent. they're a reasonable option for bailing on the US later down the road should we go full fascism.
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All economic gains and profits are split among the people of the country. Currently we have no economic gain from resources in Canada, so even if you're just going by GDP, an increase of 10% is still a 10% increase. I didn't say we wouldn't have had economic issues, I just said they would have been lessened, which is true.
Sure we do. Otherwise, why would we import their oil?
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Bob, I like you, and I think I like Canada more than the U.S. in their current incarnations... this whole religious right movement thing has really pushed us down the shit-hole.With that said, I could single handedly defeat Canada in a war.And this isn't because I'm Spademan, god of war, philosopher king, and force of nature given anthropomorphic form, but rather because it's Canada.

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Sure we do. Otherwise, why would we import their oil?
Well. We do have to pay for it.Spade: post more. Maybe even something non-religious or non-political. Is that even possible?
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Well. We do have to pay for it.
The motivation for trade is getting more value in return. The US wanted oil more than the money.
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It's called a trade "deficit" for a reason. However, my point was, that we get no monetary gain from selling resources we don't own.

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Bob, I like you, and I think I like Canada more than the U.S. in their current incarnations... this whole religious right movement thing has really pushed us down the shit-hole.With that said, I could single handedly defeat Canada in a war.And this isn't because I'm Spademan, god of war, philosopher king, and force of nature given anthropomorphic form, but rather because it's Canada.
I drive by a small army base on my way to work. For some reason, seems like every military vehicle in the area was holed up there this weekend. Probably at least 50 troop transport trucks. My only thought, seeing that many military vehicles in one place (in Canada) was that it was a giant waste of money, since there is no way we have that many full-time (since reserves are pointless) soldiers in this area of Canada.So basically, I'm saying you're right. The point is though, you didn't, and you haven't. Why not? Maybe the US should divert some of that military spending into being all cool and funny and non-offensive and having great beer, and maybe that will be a better deterrant to stop being attacked and shit.
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I drive by a small army base on my way to work. For some reason, seems like every military vehicle in the area was holed up there this weekend. Probably at least 50 troop transport trucks. My only thought, seeing that many military vehicles in one place (in Canada) was that it was a giant waste of money, since there is no way we have that many full-time (since reserves are pointless) soldiers in this area of Canada.So basically, I'm saying you're right. The point is though, you didn't, and you haven't. Why not? Maybe the US should divert some of that military spending into being all cool and funny and non-offensive and having great beer, and maybe that will be a better deterrant to stop being attacked and shit.
So if we are weak and unable to wage war, the bad guys will leave us alone?I think you just made the case for why Canada needs to be invaded, because allowing this level of wrong to go unpunished is -EV for the gene pool
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canada's culture is objectively better. if I could find a job in toronto or vancouver, I would happily move.
I wouldn't mind living in Canada. But I bet it's kind of a hassle to actually move to another country and I'm pretty lazy, so I guess I'll just stick it out here.
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I wouldn't mind living in Canada. But I bet it's kind of a hassle to actually move to another country and I'm pretty lazy, so I guess I'll just stick it out here.
I've driven through lots of Canada: Alberta, British Columbia etc.Summer time is beautiful in BCThe rest of the year you couldn't pay me to live in that backwoods dump.It might explain why we had to make it a law that Canadians can only visit America for 6 months total a year. Many of the Canadians who I know have to keep track of the days because they want all 6 months before they are forced to go back.There is a good reason why only people like checky have a hard time getting to move to Canada...
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canada's culture is objectively better. if I could find a job in toronto or vancouver, I would happily move.
Downtown Toronto and Vancouver are not significantly different than most major cities in the US.
So if we are weak and unable to wage war, the bad guys will leave us alone?I think you just made the case for why Canada needs to be invaded, because allowing this level of wrong to go unpunished is -EV for the gene pool
"cool and funny and non-offensive and having great beer" = weak?Seriously, your trolling has been plain awful lately.
I wouldn't mind living in Canada. But I bet it's kind of a hassle to actually move to another country and I'm pretty lazy, so I guess I'll just stick it out here.
It is a hassle. We totally stick it to immigrants too. You know all that awesome socialist stuff, like health care? Yeah, not so much for non-citizens. And it takes a billion years to get citizenship.It's pretty much a catch-22. If you are born in Canada you will be awesome and have an awesome life. But it's cold and you're probably ugly.
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I've driven through lots of Canada: Alberta, British Columbia etc.Summer time is beautiful in BCThe rest of the year you couldn't pay me to live in that backwoods dump.It might explain why we had to make it a law that Canadians can only visit America for 6 months total a year. Many of the Canadians who I know have to keep track of the days because they want all 6 months before they are forced to go back.There is a good reason why only people like checky have a hard time getting to move to Canada...
Saying "I've driven through lots of Canada: Alberta, British Columbia etc." would be like me saying "I've driven through lots of the US: Michigan, New York, etc." And that law is a Canadian law, not an American one. Again, good try with facts. You lose most of your Canadian rights if you are out of the country more than 6 months of the year, and it sucks for tax purposes too.I mean, you're not wrong about what you said, just about what you're basing it on. It is freezing as hell here, 95% of the country (in terms of land mass) is basically uninhabited or uninhabitable, and in the time I've written this post, it has gone from sunny to raining.
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"cool and funny and non-offensive and having great beer" = weak?Seriously, your trolling has been plain awful lately.
You are the one trying to make the case that Canada: the county that is 'cool' non-offensive and has 'great' beer is the ideal country to avoid terrorists.Since Canada is one of the weakest countries militarily, I just added that. You don't get to claim your country is better unless you acknowledge the realities of your country too.And let's face is, the Boy Scouts could drive up the middle, establish a front that allows the girl scouts to take BC and then join up with Bekins Home security to sweep through the east in time for summer break to be over.And there is nothing you guys could do to stop it.So you'll have to forgive me if I think a country that relies on the hope that no one ever invades them as a country that deserves to be invaded. Don't complain about theft when you leave your front and back door unlocked, and have a sign that says: Please don't steal all our stuff because we like you" on your front lawn.
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