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This was pretty comprehensive except you forgot the small matter about the vast majority of us not being able to play online poker any more. Even 4BB has a fraction of the strategy talk that it used to.Plus, all of the good sports talk has moved over to spoolios now.
Yea, as BigD stated that was pretty much a given. Most forums in all industries have went the way of the dinosaurs since twitter and other social media have gone viral. I was just stating some ideas not based on market conditions to try and get more involvement here.
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Did anyone find Jerry?
True story: Jerry was the herald of the exodus. The way he was at the table one minute and an empty seat the next minute is very much like how most of the posters have disappeared from FCP since that time.
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Sweet is really the last poster on FCP who has not peaked in his humor capabilities.Go forth, you're our last hope.
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I used to beat the drum for years that Doyle Brunson was a cheat, and through simple logic most of the old school vegas pros were likely cheats and I got shouted down by Rounders fanboys who had signed copies of super system and said everything I was saying was just slander. And I just laughed and shook my head. These days, I've seen you make several long posts on the issue and no one even bothers to speak out against them. Maybe it's just because FCP is so dead that there's no one left even to take issue. But I think part of it is that people aren't quite as naive as you think they are anymore. In 2007? No doubt . But after online company after online company rips people off, Poker Legend after Poker legend are revealed to be irrefutable thieves that the cognitive dissonance required to defend these degenerates simply becomes too difficult to maintain.
LOL lets see some old posts over the course of "years" with you "beating the drum" about brunson being a cheat. these rants about the corrupt nature of poker in general from you, scram, and sklansky are really hilarious. sounds like three losing players to me.
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At least, with corporate fraud, embezzlement and the like, there are laws against it. Fines that can be levied. Theoretical punishments. THey may not be enforced, but the laws are there. There's NOTHING illegal about marking a deck of cards at a casino. Nothing illegal about getting on skype with 3 friends and colluding in an online room. No punishments. No consequences.
wow this gets worse and worse. i mean, what the hell are you talking about? and what is motivating this weird tirade about the poker world. people get away with all sorts of shit in every field. and many don't. and it has little to do with legality. but this is lost on you.and i don't get it, it's ok for people to get away with things as long as there are laws against it that aren't enforced? what a strange idea. as long as the laws are there? laws aren't there if they aren't enforced...a casino will kick out someone marking cards. poker sites have for the most part always done what they can to get rid of colluders when they have some evidence of the act. should it be illegal to collude on some third party poker site? its already against the rules of the poker site... wtf... you really think there should be federal laws or something against collusion on poker sites?you have played online poker before right?
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LOL lets see some old posts over the course of "years" with you "beating the drum" about brunson being a cheat. these rants about the corrupt nature of poker in general from you, scram, and sklansky are really hilarious. sounds like three losing players to me.
Sounds like a complete fucking retard to me.The developmental trajectory of the poker world and the naive retards its scalped in the process is what's hilarious. Whether the 'old Vegas poker crew' were cheats or not isn't even a matter of debate. They were. Most have admitted to as much, if you know any of them personally (or know anyone who knows them), that era is openly discussed/mocked when there aren't any cameras around. Of course, when the cul-de-sac kids needed gods to lord over this new poker world they stumbled into, that part didn't quite fit in with the squeakier ethics of the new guys, so they pretended it didn't exist.The corrupt nature of online poker has to be the most amusing, though. Corkies like you howled and shouted for YEARS that online poker was pure as the driven snow, created all sorts of contorted narratives as to why it 'wasn't in the best interests' of poker sites to be dishonest... Then, UB/AP.Oh, but that was an outlier! Surely, HOWARD LEDERER, CHRIS FERGUSON and ISAI SCHEINBERG can be trusted!When the economic pyramid collapsed, the narrative changed, but still, the same old retarded Pollyannas, skipping through the snakes, anyone who points it out IS JUST A LOSING PLAYER HAHAHAHA. It's like you couldn't be any more fucking dumb if you sat down and drafted a nine point strategy entitled "How I could be any more fucking dumb"
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Whether the 'old Vegas poker crew' were cheats or not isn't even a matter of debate. They were. Most have admitted to as much, if you know any of them personally (or know anyone who knows them), that era is openly discussed/mocked when there aren't any cameras around. Of course, when the cul-de-sac kids needed gods to lord over this new poker world they stumbled into, that part didn't quite fit in with the squeakier ethics of the new guys, so they pretended it didn't exist.The corrupt nature of online poker has to be the most amusing, though. Corkies like you howled and shouted for YEARS that online poker was pure as the driven snow, created all sorts of contorted narratives as to why it 'wasn't in the best interests' of poker sites to be dishonest... Then, UB/AP.Oh, but that was an outlier! Surely, HOWARD LEDERER, CHRIS FERGUSON and ISAI SCHEINBERG can be trusted!When the economic pyramid collapsed, the narrative changed, but still, the same old retarded Pollyannas, skipping through the snakes, anyone who points it out IS JUST A LOSING PLAYER HAHAHAHA.
who are you replying to here? it couldn't be me. i don't even understand what you're going on about. i never thought online poker was pure. no serious people did, unfortunately for your wild story. anyone who plays poker online, which has been technically illegal for a while now, knows they are putting their money at risk. just losing players and weaklings in general who complain about this stuff.and it IS in the best (long term) interest of poker sites to be legit. but people don't always see or follow their best long term interest. the fact that there have been scams doesn't change anything. it was predictable and it proves the rule. full tilt makes more money in the long run if they were still legit, even if they get away with everything. they blew it. i dont see how this whole story of old world gambling shootouts and train robberies relates. a few of these corrupt poker pros ran tilt. but things like enron, worldcom, and bernie madoff happen in entirely regulated, domestic, "respectable" fields as well. so...the poker world today is mostly just honest people playing a card game. yours and bigDs conspiracy theories not withstanding.
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LOL lets see some old posts over the course of "years" with you "beating the drum" about brunson being a cheat.
okay....here's a thread I started about meeting russ ghttp://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry3148958here's an off handed joke I make about ithttp://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry1730961here's a thread I made called "doyle brunson cheated at poker"http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry1387369here's a thread about dirty poker, where I express belief that Brunson cheated but disparaged the book for not offering smoking gun proof of poker cheatinghttp://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry1252862Here's a thread called "voice an unpopular opinion" where I declare that I believe that all the old school poker players including brunson are poker cheatshttp://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry1025839here's a thread about a doyle hater, where I talk about how absurd it is to hate on doyle, just because he's popular, but then I bring up the fact that he was likely a road cheathttp://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry1025839This doesn't really have to do with his cheating, but I take a shot at his ethics for endorsing edura stripshttp://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry3361687here's a post where I comment on Frank Rosenthal's website ( who was the character ace rothstein from the move casino was basedhttp://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry2880654here I make a joke about taking the over on how many bodies doyle has buried in the desert, while not explicitly about his cheating, is informed by what I think his moral universe is.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry2115071here I express the assumption that doyle is a golf cheat and greases his clubshttp://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry2067797here's a thread about Zee justin's cheating, and someone questioning why no one brings up doyle's cheating past, another person freaking out about it, and me weighing in with my 2 centshttp://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry1941473a thread about the top 5 poker players of all time, with me mocking someone for thinking doyle didn't cheathttp://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry1385206and those are just the threads I could find when cross referenced Doyle with BigDMcgee and Brunson with BigDMcGee. There may be more when I don't type either Doyle, or Brunson in my post. Those posts were made from 2005 to 2009 as far as I can tell.
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a casino will kick out someone marking cards. poker sites have for the most part always done what they can to get rid of colluders when they have some evidence of the act. should it be illegal to collude on some third party poker site? its already against the rules of the poker site... wtf... you really think there should be federal laws or something against collusion on poker sites?you have played online poker before right?
You are completely misunderstanding my point. I wasn't arguing that there should be laws against colluding. I am saying that there are no consequences against cheating, no real ones, no punitive ones. And because of that, there is absolutely no incentive for people not to cheat, other than the starry eyed hope that everyone can just agree that cheating is wrong. A casino kicking someone out isn't punishment for theft. Sending someone to jail is punishment for theft. Kicking someone out of a casino is an inconvenience. Getting banned from a poker site is an inconvenience. Those aren't punishments. Listen, I know people will steal even if there are risks involved with it. But there are no risks involved with cheating, particularly in a live, public poker room. The very, very worst thing that will happen to you is you get kicked out. Who is that going to deter? At least online you risk losing the money you stole from people ( that you kept online). A live poker room will even let you walk out with your money. If they even give enough of a shit to kick you out. Because do you really think casinos care about poker cheating? As long as you're paying the rake, casinos are happy. The only time the eyes in the sky bother to watch anything that goes on in a poker room is if there's a jack pot, or there's some dispute between players about one literally taking money off another's stack. Other than that, I promise you there's not a man hour being spent watching the poker room, because if cheating is occurring, it's not the casino's money that's being stolen. Not that the eyes in the sky could even catch things like soft collusion.Also, I think you're probably taking this personally because you consider yourself an honest poker pro, and you think I'm suggesting the only way you can win at poker is to cheat. I don't think that at all. But I do think, that if you've played at any level live other than the very lowest, that you've been cheated by people who don't share your rigorous objectivist ethics. And you're making a large error if you think everyone in the poker world shares your ethical code.
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Apparently I really enjoy the phrasing, "Corkies like you howled and shouted for YEARS..."I'm going to be crow barring this into a real life conversation as soon as possible. Consider it stolen.

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Apparently I really enjoy the phrasing, "Corkies like you howled and shouted for YEARS..."I'm going to be crow barring this into a real life conversation as soon as possible. Consider it stolen.
It's got a bit of a Burroughs feel to it...
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