Creation Evolution Debate

[Balloon guy 158]

I'm not sure how high of a level this is at...if I understand correctly, it's just a couple of dudes from a religion forum.

His book on atheism being illogical was pretty good, as was his book on the Keyne's / Austrian economics models. So I don't know if you can say he's a dude from a religious forum, but it would be best to marginalize him quickly since he is winning.

I actually don't mind Vox's overall point, in that he doesn't seem to distinguish "gods" from very advanced extraterrestrial beings. I thought he'd be arguing ridiculous stuff, i.e. bible-specific god stuff.

But it does kind of force all the atheist to admit they are illogical, which can be problematic for book sales...

[speedz99 145]

His book on atheism being illogical was pretty good, as was his book on the Keyne's / Austrian economics models. So I don't know if you can say he's a dude from a religious forum, but it would be best to marginalize him quickly since he is winning.

Ok, I'll give him "religious author". Who's the other dude?

But it does kind of force all the atheist to admit they are illogical, which can be problematic for book sales...

Laugh out loud.

[Dread Aidan 8]

Ok, I'll give him "religious author". Who's the other dude?

A man in need of a proofreader.

[speedz99 145]

Aren't we all?

[Balloon guy 158]

Ok, I'll give him "religious author". Who's the other dude?

Don't really know, other than a well read atheist.I'm sure his follow up will be stronger than his initial volley. Mainly because the topic was Vox's to start.

[LongLiveYorke 38]

And there you have it. not only does he not find fault in the physics content of my post (not surprising, since reality isn't a matter of opinion), he goes a step further and agrees that God is responsible for the fundamental tautologies of reality - even helpfully providing a second example. I must say it's nice to see LLY isn't the dogmatic fundy secularist I thought he would be given his liberal education. Well done my man, well done.

Thanks

[El Guapo 8]

I had a 10-speed when I was a kid.

[LimbaughGod 0]

Nope.jpg. I hovered over the link and it contains "fag". I don't have any traffic with homosexuality, sorry, so I'm not going to click on that link. I totally agree with Oklahoma Republican state legislator Sally Kern that homosexuality is a greater threat to our great Nation than terrorism. As she put it when she spoke on August 31st with Peter LaBarbera of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality"You know if you just look at it in practical terms, which has destroyed and ended the life of more people? Terrorism attack here in America or HIV/AIDS? In the last twenty years, fifteen to twenty years, we’ve had maybe three terrorist attacks on our soil with a little over 5,000 people regrettably losing their lives. In the same time frame, there have been hundreds of thousands who have died because of having AIDS. So which one’s the biggest threat? And you know, every day our young people, adults too, but especially our young people, are bombarded at school, in movies, in music, on TV, in the mall, in magazines, they’re bombarded with ‘homosexuality is normal and natural.’ It’s something they have to deal with every day. Fortunately we don’t have to deal with a terrorist attack every day, and that’s what I mean.It’s more dangerous, and yes I think that it’s also more dangerous because it will tear down the moral fiber of this nation. We were founded as a nation upon the principles of religion and morality, if we take those out from under our society we will lose what has made us a great nation, we will no longer be a virtuous people, which we see happening already. And without virtue this nation will not survive."I also agree with the American Family Association (who righteously was recently tapped by Gov. Rick Perry to organize his Response Prayer Rally that was the jumping point for his entering of the campaign) spokesman Bryan Fischer who on his radio show Focal Point has multiple times identified fags as Nazi's, noting that the Nazi party was all gay, and called on all fifty states to criminalize homosexuality:"Both of the cases that went to the United States Supreme Court that dealt with the issue of whether states should criminalize sodomy, and of course they still ought to be able to do it, every state in the union criminalized sodomy until 1962 and then forty nine states until 1972, then they began to fall like dominoes. But by the time of the founding until the late 20th Century, homosexual activity was a felony offense in the United States of America, there is no reason why it cannot be a criminal offense once again, absolutely none."So no, I won't be clicking on your link, thank you very much. i am thankful that our politicians aren't ignoring this scourge of barbarian fags trying to destroy God and America. We need to ensure we don't suffer the same fate as Germany and allow ourselves to be overrun by Godless, secular, socialist homosexuals and their homosexual agenda. That would be gay.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

at least try and be funny.

[speedz99 145]

But then everyone will tell him he's "trying too hard".

[LimbaughGod 0]

at least try and be funny.

What's funny is that you don't understand the threat to our nation that Muslims, immigrants, our "urban" socialist "President", and homosexuals pose. Well, less funny and more sad. maybe you should start educating yourself. you should probably start with God. Let me try to give you some help:"Hubble Discovery Confirms God Created the UniverseDiscoveries made by NASA's Hubble and Spitzer Telescopes in 2004 appear to confirm the Genesis account of planet formation to be scientifically accurate.Contact: Paul Hutchins, 407-506-9000ORLANDO, Sept. 13, 2011 /Christian Newswire/ -- Since Biblical times, people have put their trust in the Genesis account of creation. In recent years however, some have challenged the account and say there is no scientific evidence to support Genesis. It appears now that discoveries made by NASA's scientist are confirming that the Genesis account is scientifically accurate. The idea of no scientific evidence to support it is now being turned upside-down by the very findings made in 2004 by NASA's Hubble and Spitzer Telescopes of proto-planetary disc that surround infant stars.According to NASA scientist, data from these two telescopes is revealing that planets like the Earth are formed in the exact same fashion as described at Genesis 1:2, 3. According to NASA, planets form inside a proto-planetary disc of dust and debris, starting out in a formless and chaotic state in total darkness, as describe in Genesis verse 2. "Now the earth proved to be formless and waste, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep."NASA's scientists have discovered that as the planets mature inside their dusty cocoon they suck up all the dust between them and the sun so that the planets slowly emerge from darkness into the light as described in Genesis verse 3. "Let light come to be." Then there came to be light.This NASA produced video made from the combined discoveries by Hubble and Spitzer appear to simulate Genesis simple description of how the Earth was formed in darkness and how light appeared gradually as the planet matured over time according to author J. Paul Hutchins. www.spitzer.caltech.edu/video-audio/691-ssc2004-08v3-Forming-a-Planetary-Gap After doing a two year study of the data put together by NASA scientist from these two telescopes, Hutchins says he was astonished to learn how accurately this scientific data lined up with the simple description of planet formation recorded in Genesis."

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

now that's comedy.

[timwakefield 68]

hahaSpademan sucks him in again...

I'd bet money it's not Spade.

[brvheart 1,752]

I think it would benefit us to embrace mystery rather than filling it in with imaginary supernature just to pretend we have an explanation.

That's fine... but I see no problem with filling in the hole either. THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!

[brvheart 1,752]

I do find the visual amusing...god having been around 'for infinity' before he creates the universe. I guess he was just kind of hanging out in, well, nothing. There was nothing for him to hang out in. Must have been a lonely, boring infinity, although at least he had an infinite amount of time to plan the universe. Although it sucks he couldn't build any models or draw out any plans to help himself out.

I know you're just shooting the shit, as it were... but I'm pretty sure no one over 8 has ever thought that God actually lived somewhere "in" the universe.

[brvheart 1,752]

Aren't we all?

yes

[Mills 0]

From the agnostic judge:‘Problem of Infinite Regress’ Point and Counter-point—TLDR, drawHow seriously are we supposed to take this guy if he can't be bothered to read something he is supposed to be judging, why agree to be a judge in the first place?

[Balloon guy 158]

From the agnostic judge:‘Problem of Infinite Regress’ Point and Counter-point—TLDR, drawHow seriously are we supposed to take this guy if he can't be bothered to read something he is supposed to be judging, why agree to be a judge in the first place?

Agnostics are known for being apathetic.

[speedz99 145]

Apatheistic.

I know you're just shooting the shit, as it were... but I'm pretty sure no one over 8 has ever thought that God actually lived somewhere "in" the universe.

I thought that god "is" the universe. Are you saying he lives "outside" of the universe? Like, a parallel universe or different dimension? Or in some undefinted region of reality, a space between spaces?

[Dread Aidan 8]

I thought that god "is" the universe. Are you saying he lives "outside" of the universe? Like, a parallel universe or different dimension? Or in some undefinted region of reality, a space between spaces?

I'm not totally sure what brv was getting at, but I would think that "God is the universe" would have to be correct by definition of God and universe. *goes to dictionary wikipedia*Universe - the totality of everything that existsAnd one of the traits of God is omnipresence ("the property of being present everywhere").

[brvheart 1,752]

I thought that god "is" the universe. Are you saying he lives "outside" of the universe? Like, a parallel universe or different dimension? Or in some undefinted region of reality, a space between spaces?

Yes. The reason it's just 'yes', even though you asked multiple questions, is because I don't really know. However, I believe that a person who believes in the Bible or Torah, could make a strong case that those texts support a God who lives 'outside' the universe.

[SBriand 4]

Yes. The reason it's just 'yes', even though you asked multiple questions, is because I don't really know. However, I believe that a person who believes in the Bible or Torah, could make a strong case that those texts support a God who lives 'outside' the universe.

If you don't know then how can you say it is yes. What do you think and why? Aren't you someone who believes in the Bible? If so then where is the strong case? Or any case at all.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

if you start with the "belief" that god exists, all data will lead you to only one place. brv simply tailors his path to avoid the more obvious nonsense of the christian faith.

[brvheart 1,752]

if you start with the "belief" that god exists, all data will lead you to only one place. brv simply tailors his path to avoid the more obvious nonsense of the christian faith.

I'm not tailoring anything. I'm taking it right out of Genesis. "God created the heavens and the earth.." etc etc.

[SuitedAces21 2,722]

where in the bible does it say that god exists outside of the universe?