CobaltBlue 662 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I can see him doing it with any AQ combo and the other hands Colbalt mentions. Yeah as played, pre-flop he could have QQ here and even 88 but there are enough hands he can have that are beaten here to make a call reasonably profitable. Like I said I'm stubborn but honestly I've played 100s of thousands of hands online and live (mostly online) and I have to say I rarely get beaten by set over set.Just one 'l', please. In ~500 hours of live poker, I believe I've been oversetted 4 times. I did win one though...and no, I didn't make quads or a flush...I got the guy to fold. Link to post Share on other sites
bbgun 0 Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 I can see him doing it with any AQ combo and the other hands Colbalt mentions. Yeah as played, pre-flop he could have QQ here and even 88 but there are enough hands he can have that are beaten here to make a call reasonably profitable. Like I said I'm stubborn but honestly I've played 100s of thousands of hands online and live (mostly online) and I have to say I rarely get beaten by set over set. If he has a club draw we stand 36% or so chance of losing if he hits his draw but a 64% chance of winning. While I can understand a fold and certainly don't think it was bad, I still think calling will be profitable enough here to make a call okay. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.I don't think he ever shoves 200+bb w AQo. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 the thing is, if utg villain is a good player then has range is going to be widened to more combo draws (all broadway clubs, and t9cc). I feel that if it was a weaker player, and he played it like this, I love the fold b/c his range is prolly 2 hands (QQ or 88). and again, we have a set and those usually win! Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I didn't know you could play live online. Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 thousands of hands online and live (mostly online) Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Oh. Okay. Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I think we should fold pre. If I'm wrong I stand corrected. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I think we should fold pre. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.Only reason I'd fold pre is if a shorter stack behind is super likely to jam and then the EP isolates. Link to post Share on other sites
babylondonks 5 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I stand corrected. Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I wish I was pretending...not fun folding a $1K winner.Honestly, if you made yourself a rule that you never folded a set on the flop, you'd be extremely happy with your game long term and would never have regrets.Of course, with every rule there are "exceptions", but honestly, myself included, most players suck at finding the exceptions when they run across them. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 3. As played, can we find a fold here? Link to post Share on other sites
bbgun 0 Posted September 3, 2011 Author Share Posted September 3, 2011 Well played. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Just one 'l', please. In ~500 hours of live poker, I believe I've been oversetted 4 times. I did win one though...and no, I didn't make quads or a flush...I got the guy to fold.I find this hard to believe, as many hands as you've played online that this hasn't happened more to you. I can't imagine I've played much more than you and I've been oversetted dozens and dozens of times. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 I find this hard to believe, as many hands as you've played online that this hasn't happened more to you. I can't imagine I've played much more than you and I've been oversetted dozens and dozens of times.Oh, it's happened gobs and gobs online. I've played several million hands. I was just saying that it has happened like 4 times in probably 15k hands of live poker. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 This happened in Florida.NEVER EVER EVER FOLD A FLOPPED SET IN A LIVE GAME IN FLORIDA. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 This happened in Florida.NEVER EVER EVER FOLD A FLOPPED SET IN A LIVE GAME IN FLORIDA. Link to post Share on other sites
GOCUBSGO 77 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I wish I was good enough at poker to even consider folding a flopped set. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I wish I was good enough at poker to even consider folding get all the money in every time I flopped a set. Link to post Share on other sites
imatstarbucks 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 lol at all the responses. regardless of live or online. makes no difference. I agree the line is very odd, which can be confused as strong. But ive been in these spots before. and I've folded monsters.. (Why did i fold a monster) you ask??because I was playing without proper bankroll management. this is 1/2 NL. if OP showed up with a few hundred to play some poker. he is scared money. If OP has a 4k BR he is insta calling this flop./end thread. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 lol at all the responses. regardless of live or online. makes no difference. I agree the line is very odd, which can be confused as strong. But ive been in these spots before. and I've folded monsters.. (Why did i fold a monster) you ask??because I was playing without proper bankroll management. this is 1/2 NL. if OP showed up with a few hundred to play some poker. he is scared money. If OP has a 4k BR he is insta calling this flop./end thread. you're an idiot Link to post Share on other sites
imatstarbucks 0 Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 you're an idiotYou obviously have no concept of reality. If you actually think what I said was wrong, you need to seriously re-examine your game.do you see why? Link to post Share on other sites
bbgun 0 Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 lol at all the responses. regardless of live or online. makes no difference. I agree the line is very odd, which can be confused as strong. But ive been in these spots before. and I've folded monsters.. (Why did i fold a monster) you ask??because I was playing without proper bankroll management. this is 1/2 NL. if OP showed up with a few hundred to play some poker. he is scared money. If OP has a 4k BR he is insta calling this flop./end thread. At the time, my bankroll was about $6K. I don't play much anymore because I deal in this room now. It wasn't about scared money, I have no problem putting all my chips in when I need to. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 2/4 FRI raise to $12 in EP with $900 behind, CO (probably decent reg) flats, BB callsFlop :jhCheck, I bet $26, CO calls, BB foldsTurn :7dI bet $61, CO callsRiver :2cI bet $146, he banks all the way down and shoves for $390 total, I puke-fold Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 2/4 FRI raise to $12 in EP with $900 behind, CO (probably decent reg) flats, BB callsFlop :jhCheck, I bet $26, CO calls, BB foldsTurn :7dI bet $61, CO callsRiver :2cI bet $146, he banks all the way down and shoves for $390 total, I puke-foldHe's repping exactly T9hh or AThh (I mean WTF do people ever slowplay on that board, especially for both the flop and turn?) and not raising those hands OTF is pretty horrible since so little of your value range wants to fold that flop and you probably don't barrel that texture with air a ton. He could even have a weirdly played KQ or some other value hand or even **gasp!** a missed draw or worse made hand that he's now turning into a bluff. Folding here seems really really REALLY bad if you are asking, especially getting better than 3-1. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 He's repping exactly T9hh or AThh (I mean WTF do people ever slowplay on that board, especially for both the flop and turn?) and not raising those hands OTF is pretty horrible since so little of your value range wants to fold that flop and you probably don't barrel that texture with air a ton. He could even have a weirdly played KQ or some other value hand or even **gasp!** a missed draw or worse made hand that he's now turning into a bluff. Folding here seems really really REALLY bad if you are asking, especially getting better than 3-1.If he's flatting the flop and turn with KQ, it seems really strange for him to shove the river. Like, can he really expect to get value from many worse hands? The only value hand that I beat is a strange JJ. If he's bluffing, I'd expect he would shove faster than he did. It seemed like a classic, "time down to make hand look weak with the nuts" situation. There aren't too many air flush draws...which means he'd have to be turning a made hand into a bluff.It's close enough that if I had KK, I'd probably call (since it adds QQ as a value hand that I beat). If I had a decent read, I think I could call, but based on my limited reads (anonymous tables), he was probably a somewhat competent reg (he bought in for the max and hadn't done anything of strange note yet).It certainly pained me a lot, but I feel that of all the times that I've made this call in the past, I'm getting shown AT/T9 here like 80-90% of the time. If I'm shown those hands more than 75% of the time, it's a losing call. Link to post Share on other sites
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