tbrick412 0 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Notice that the article only says action against Merge processors and that knowledge of any actions or indictments against Merge or Merge skins is unknown. Processors have been having funds seized so imo this isn't much news and while subject poker is considered a trustworthy poker news source this article seems a bit of a stretch or a sensationalism. I'm no more nervous about Merge that I was before.Can Merge just eat the loss when some processors went down like Stars/FTP could? I doubt it Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I doubt they can as well but the 2+2 reps for all the skins have all said that all player funds are segregated which is more than we can say for FTP and AP/UB. They've had seizures since BF, the MyWallet/QuickTender seizure for one, and from all I heard all the players accounts were reimbursed but I might be wrong - things are kind of weird with e-wallets. Carbon does withdrawals in batches and they don't keep money between batches in processor accounts like Stars and FTP did, at least as I understand it and I believe this is true for all Merge skins since most share the cashier. I've always known any money I have on any US facing site is at high risk and I just don't think this "news" changes much. Link to post Share on other sites
uncooper 1 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Bob, do you know if Mr. Negreanu has seen the thread on 2+2 about the role of prominent poker players in the fight for regulation in the US? Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 Bob, do you know if Mr. Negreanu has seen the thread on 2+2 about the role of prominent poker players in the fight for regulation in the US?I'm guessing he hasn't seen it. Link to post Share on other sites
TwstdWrstr 10 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 On the Merge topic I can report I had a cashout approved Monday after a four week wait. All is not lost yet... assuming it doesn't bounce after deposit!/hidden brag Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Senator Reid mentioned legislation of online poker in his town hall meeting today and it was reported in the Las Vegas Sun http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/sep/1...d-ld-writethru/As for the 2p2 thread above, it would be great if Daniel would tweet the 2p2 action plan a few times. So far several Deuces Cracked pros and LuckyChewy and aejones from Leggo Poker, as well as Dennis Phillips, Durrrr, Andrew Robl and several others have stepped up to help get the word out. Even The Micros have tweeted the action plan more than once. I've been involved with this thread for quite awhile and I'm also on a Skype chatroom with Rich Muny "TheEngineer" and about 90 other 2p2ers who are fighting hard everyday for legislation. If you all have any suggestions or questions please let me know.The 2p2 action plan literally takes less than one minute a day! If you're not doing the daily tasks please do!BTW, if you're non US but use FB and/or Twitter and you miss us US players you can help too by retweeting or FB the action plan to your US friends and followers. Link to post Share on other sites
pokergosh 0 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Is there any hope for this rule to change guys ?P.S. Newbie question..I am just trying to figure out this really big forum..;-) Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Welcome! Who knows at the moment! I'd say we have 1.7:1 odds at the moment, so less than 50/50 IMO, but I'm in a Debbie Downer mood about legislation right now. I don't like this Fair Play USA popping up right now supporting the B&M casino interest and diluting the water for the Barton bill HR2366, but we'll see. I'm very leery of anything the B&Ms and Harry Reid support. Link to post Share on other sites
pokergosh 0 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 At the end is all about the money..Right ? Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 At the end is all about the money..Right ?Unfortunately yes! It's all about who contributes the most money to the corrupt politician's "campaign fund", also known as their pockets. Therefore I believe whatever bill comes out of Fair Play USA will be the one to pass but it won't necessarily be the best one for the interest of the online poker players. Fair Play USA is being backed by the big money casinos and they have to money to make big contributions, so that whatever bill is passed benefits them the most. Link to post Share on other sites
UncleHoot 0 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 At the end is all about the money..Right ?This whole mess is ALL about money, imho.My conspiracy theory:Pokerstars et al have been making billions. US casinos wanted to get in on the action. They realized that the chances of getting legislation passed are very slim, simply because poker players were generally happy with what they had (with some exceptions). They (Harrah's) put forth a bill that would have created a moratorium in the US until they could get their software up and running. i.e. US players would be locked out of the online poker world for several months (or more). Well, that legislation didn't end up going anywhere in Congress.New Plan: Get the Justice Department to do their dirty-work for them. Honestly, it was a beautiful plan. Use the Justice Dept to shut down the other sites, in essence creating a moratorium. This will create a backlash that will more or less force poker players to write their Congressmen about online poker. At that point, Harrah's et al can work to create a new bill that will give them the largest benefit. Harrah's comes out smelling like a rose. Congress looks good too. People will blame the Justice Dept for "Black Friday" and any grief that it caused, and who cares when "the cops" get blamed? Nobody. Oh, and Pokerstars et al will pay a hefty fine, so the government lawyers involved will all stand to make a really good paycheck as well. "Everybody wins."Of course, proving any of this would probably be about as difficult as proving who shot JFK, but I have to believe that this is the true reason we find ourselves where we are today. Link to post Share on other sites
pokergosh 0 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I totally agree.But the result of this rule is that the us players are leaving us for the right to play online..Also with this us casinos lose those players at live games cause most of the players were living at Texas or near some big casinos.. Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 @UncleHoot VERY WELL SAID! And my feelings exactly. I believe somewhere ITT there is an article that even says there was a joint letter to the DOJ from Harry Reid and Jon Kyl (strange bedfellows huh?) urging the DOJ to crack down on the online poker sites to "prove" they meant business in enforcing the UIGEA. It was also extremely suspicious that this happened right after Wynn Resorts announce their pending partnership with PokerStars. Casears shits a brick and gets Reid on the phone and what do you know, here comes Black Friday! Then several months back after the Barton bill HR2366 comes out the American Gaming Association (B&M casinos) come out saying they don't support the Barton bill and another bill that they will support will come out in the fall. Now in comes Fair Play USA! Our best hope at this point is HR2366 gets attached to whatever bill/proposal that comes out of the Deficit Super Committee and the Fair Play USA won't have a chance. It's pretty obvious the FPUSA bill will be where states have to vote to opt in which means about 15 states will automatically be included (already have legal poker) and the rest will have to pass legislation to opt in. I can see about 10 other states at most that might opt in the first year, so only about half the states will have legal online poker and the rest of us won't even have Merge or Bodog left to play on, since any new bill strengthens the UIGEA and those sites will be shut down immediately. Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 AGA comes out with pro legislation video today, interesting timing huh?http://www.youtube.com/user/AmericanGaming...p;utm_campaign= Link to post Share on other sites
hank213 1,823 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 This whole mess is ALL about money, imho.My conspiracy theory:Welcome to my party. Grab a brew, don't cost nothin.Here's the little conspiracy theory I thought up a couple days ago.Imagine you're one of the biggest B&M casino corporations in the U.S. You've seen all the cash going to FTP and PS meanwhile your revenue stream has been shrinking and volatile at best. But you're no fool. Nope, you've been researching and perfecting your own poker software that will allow you to get into this lucrative market. However, overcoming the nearly decade long lead in the market place held by FTP, PS, UB et al is going to be an expensive proposition. The advertising budget that will be required to make this new venture sustainable is going to be significant. But there's an easier and less expensive way.You've earned a lot of pull with some government heavyweights, why not get them to do your dirty work for you? Then, a couple of years later, after the competition has been thoroughly gutted, or maybe even put out of business outright, you get your government lapdogs to work on repealing the legislation that served you so well in stifling your competitors but is now a hindrance to your desire for dominance the marketplace. Tell them about all those lovely tax dollars, not to mention campaign dollars, they'll get from the near-monopoly in online U.S. gaming. In five or so years you've grabbed your company the lion's share of a multi-billion dollar empire in what amounts to the most hostile of takeovers. Link to post Share on other sites
Dread Aidan 8 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I'm here for the free beer. Link to post Share on other sites
uncooper 1 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 It's pretty obvious the FPUSA bill will be where states have to vote to opt in...What are you basing this statement on? Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 What are you basing this statement on?What does she base anything on?Also 1.7:1 < 50% apparently too. Link to post Share on other sites
uncooper 1 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 What does she base anything on?Also 1.7:1 < 50% apparently too.I know she's pretty active in the Poker Legislation forum on 2+2, so it could be correct. I just haven't heard/read that myself, and it seems awfully speculative. Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 What are you basing this statement on?Fair Play USA issued a statement a few days back and they highly stressed state's rights in choosing to participate in online poker. It's pretty likely (although yes to a point this is a guess but an educated one) that the bill FPUSA comes up with will very closely resemble the bill Harry Reid purposed last year which had a state opt in option and not the auto opt in. So it is somewhat speculative and definitely not fact at this point but based on their early statement I won't be surprised if that's how it ends up. “States and tribes have rights that must be protected by authorizing them to decide for themselves whether to accept or prohibit online poker and make use of sophisticated technologies already in use in other industries to enforce those decisions,” said former Pennsylvania Governor Tom RidgeTom Ridge is on the Advisory Board for Fair Play USA and this is from where I formed my opinion.I try not to make statements that have no basis what so ever, normally when I say something that is 'just my opinion' I say so. Otherwise I base what I say on the large number of things I read or watch and also from what I hear from people who are more in the know, like PPA reps. Yes I'm very involved on 2p2 with online poker actions and I'm involved in two Skype groups set up by Rich Muny (VP of PPA player relations) so I do hear a lot of things about what's going on. I tried to share what I hear with you all but obviously some of you seem to prefer that I not do so. Oh and I'm perfectly aware that 1.7:1 is less than a 50% chance, I was just attempting a bit of levity using poker odds. I do believe we have less than 50% chance of legislation anytime soon and this is just my opinion based on what I know. If you all prefer I'll keep what I know/think to myself instead of sharing with you all, just let me know.Update: Fair Play USA just released a new statement today and they mention Harry Reid is drafting a bill. http://www.lvrj.com/business/freeh-ridge-t...-129911423.html"Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., also is drafting a bill after trying to get one passed in the final days of Congress last year." Link to post Share on other sites
tbrick412 0 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 \Yes I'm very involved on 2p2 with online poker actions and I'm involved in two Skype groups set up by Rich Muny (VP of PPA player relations) so I do hear a lot of things about what's going on. I tried to share what I hear with you all but obviously some of you seem to prefer that I not do so.I don't think he was trying to be condescending when he asked where you got your facts.Any discussion is good even when people are disagreeing with you, keep it coming. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted September 23, 2011 Author Share Posted September 23, 2011 I don't think he was trying to be condescending when he asked where you got your facts.Any discussion is good even when people are disagreeing with you, keep it coming.Yes please keep it coming. Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I don't think he was trying to be condescending when he asked where you got your facts.Any discussion is good even when people are disagreeing with you, keep it coming.I wasn't referring to uncooper at all, I should of made it clear, he was just asking for clarification. It was the "where does she get anything" comment I took exception to, silly me. Link to post Share on other sites
tbrick412 0 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I wasn't referring to uncooper at all, I should of made it clear, he was just asking for clarification. It was the "where does she get anything" comment I took exception to, silly me.Ah I didn't see that one. I mean most ppl troll on here nowadays, myself included, but that shouldn't get in the way of civil conversations either Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Ah I didn't see that one. I mean most ppl troll on here nowadays, myself included, but that shouldn't get in the way of civil conversations eitherstfu Link to post Share on other sites
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