rcgs59 15 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Okay I am furious right now on several counts. I was in hand and another player told a player to call my c-bet because I was flush drawing.1. she cannot tell another player what hand I have or what play to make.2. regardless of my c-betting I looked at my hud and she folds to cbets on the turn3. because of the chat she called and I was dumb and tilted at that point and should have not called the river but regardless I felt she would of folded. My question is the play and chat. The mod did nothing and refer me to the rules which I know. That player should have been counseled not to discuss play that she is not involved with. am I right or wrong?I could of had 2 pair or a bigger pair. Yes I was flush drawing in position but that is not the point. I felt I could of pushed her off the handPokerStars Game #61763283756: Tournament #389646963, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2011/05/06 16:17:02 ETTable '389646963 8' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: alynutza_85 (1379 in chips) Seat 2: rcgs59 (3449 in chips) Seat 3: toots19 (4486 in chips) Seat 4: lr@iseUf0_ld (2283 in chips) Seat 6: Katya $he$ta (7284 in chips) Seat 7: kaleegirl (4495 in chips) Seat 8: luckyfairy24 (2015 in chips) Seat 9: stardust189 (723 in chips) rcgs59: posts small blind 75toots19: posts big blind 150*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to rcgs59 [Kd Td]lr@iseUf0_ld: raises 150 to 300Katya $he$ta: folds kaleegirl: folds luckyfairy24: calls 300stardust189: folds alynutza_85: folds rcgs59: calls 225toots19: calls 150*** FLOP *** [Qd 8d 2c]rcgs59: bets 660toots19: calls 660lr@iseUf0_ld: folds luckyfairy24: folds *** TURN *** [Qd 8d 2c] [Tc]rcgs59: bets 1386lr@iseUf0_ld said, "call"lr@iseUf0_ld said, "she waiting for diamonds"toots19: raises 1386 to 2772rcgs59 said, "you I am reporting"rcgs59: calls 1103 and is all-inUncalled bet (283) returned to toots19*** RIVER *** [Qd 8d 2c Tc] [3c]*** SHOW DOWN ***rcgs59: shows [Kd Td] (a pair of Tens)toots19: shows [Jh Qh] (a pair of Queens)toots19 collected 7498 from potrcgs59 finished the tournament in 16th placelr@iseUf0_ld said, "told you"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 7498 | Rake 0 Board [Qd 8d 2c Tc 3c]Seat 1: alynutza_85 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: rcgs59 (small blind) showed [Kd Td] and lost with a pair of TensSeat 3: toots19 (big blind) showed [Jh Qh] and won (7498) with a pair of QueensSeat 4: lr@iseUf0_ld folded on the FlopSeat 6: Katya $he$ta folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: kaleegirl folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: luckyfairy24 folded on the FlopSeat 9: stardust189 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 fold preflop oop vs utg raiser Link to post Share on other sites
Skeleton Jelly 2 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I was dumb and tilted at that point and should have not called the river but regardless I felt she would of folded.You puzzle me.Edit: Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 People should def shut up when they are not in a hand. Doubt Stars do anything about it though. You will get the "They will be warned" email. Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 fold preflop oop vs utg raiserI was on the button and K10 suited is a good call. The fact I felt I could push her off that handwith my betting and the stats I had on her.dfghjkljust got this back from StarsHello Rose,Thank you for contacting PokerStars.We have forwarded your email to a Poker Specialist for their review and action. You will receive a response as soon as possible on regard to this rule violation.Your patience is appreciated.Regards,Andrea C.PokerStars Support Team Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I was on the button and K10 suited is a good call. The fact I felt I could push her off that handwith my betting and the stats I had on her.oh weird, hand history shows you were in the SB and acted first, my bad Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Anytime the chat involves game play send an e-mail to Stars support. The chat moderators are only there to keep chat polite. They're volunteers who get a few fpp's for doing what they do and they have no ability to do anything but give somebody a chat ban for swearing etc. If you want somebody to get an official warning etc then it has to go through support. Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 Anytime the chat involves game play send an e-mail to Stars support. The chat moderators are only there to keep chat polite. They're volunteers who get a few fpp's for doing what they do and they have no ability to do anything but give somebody a chat ban for swearing etc. If you want somebody to get an official warning etc then it has to go through support.thx Bob done Link to post Share on other sites
kobe2odom8 14 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 ya you should def be folding in the sb there, but I still think you are cute. I'd probably fold the button as well Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 I was on the button and K10 suited is a good call.??rcgs59: posts small blind 75 Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted May 6, 2011 Author Share Posted May 6, 2011 ya you should def be folding in the sb there, but I still think you are cute. I'd probably fold the button as wellI know most of the time it's a fold but that's my fav hand lol<3 baby, I miss you so much:( I miss all you degen'son a good note played 3 times in the last week at various casinos and I am up 800 over 3 sessions Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 oh weird, hand history shows you were in the SB and acted first, my badI still think KTs is close to a fold with a UTG raise and call but it's not awful. As for the chat, yes this is 100% against the rules and she will probably get a warning. She had QJ, the donkey nuts, and hit top pair she wasn't folding. If you could put her on a queen then I don't love the turn bet, I think a c/f here was best. Link to post Share on other sites
lurbz 2 Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 btw, stars does do things about it sometimes, had a 180 of two guys @ FT talking in czech and revealing their hands to each other in blatant collusion, they'll essentially note them at stars and get permabanned if they do it again Link to post Share on other sites
pokerinc 0 Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Someone raising qj UTG is never folding toppest pair on that turn. Especially since they've picked up the gut shot.The chat didn't influence anything. The money was going in. Link to post Share on other sites
kobe2odom8 14 Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Someone raising qj UTG is never folding toppest pair on that turn. Especially since they've picked up the gut shot.The chat didn't influence anything. The money was going in.oyb Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Someone raising qj UTG is never folding toppest pair on that turn. Especially since they've picked up the gut shot.The chat didn't influence anything. The money was going in.QJ was the bb not UTG but she's not folding either.Also in re-evaluating the hand you were the small blind so you flatted with KTs OOP and then you donk bet on a flush draw against a UTG raiser in a 4 way pot, why? I don't think this is ever a good move, not the pre-flop flat call and especially donk betting on a draw in a 4 way pot. What if you donk and then get re-raised all in? Then you have to fold and miss your chance to see a turn card. When you get called by the BB you have to figure she hit a piece of that flop or has a pair so chances are she's not folding to your turn bet. Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted May 7, 2011 Author Share Posted May 7, 2011 either she was tanking a long time or she was slow rollingI did looked at my hud stats and she folded plenty to big c-betsI normally don't over play these hands but this hand just thought it might work.It was a gamble and I lost, but just wondered if it was a due to the chat because of the time she took to tank.before big mouth chatted her crap Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted May 7, 2011 Author Share Posted May 7, 2011 Fast reply :)Hello Rose,Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. We agree that these comments were inappropriate and violated PokerStars Card Room rule #20 which states: “You may not make any chat comments which may affect the play of any hand or tournament, even if you are an observer. There are two exceptions to this rule: 1. In cash game hands which are heads up (everyone else has folded, or the hand started with two players) the two players involved may chat as they wish. 2. In tournaments which are heads up (everyone else has been knocked out of the tournament, or the tournament started with two players), the two players involved may chat as they wish.” Our complete set of Card Room Rules can be found here: http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/policies/. Although many of our players are not aware of all proper poker rules and etiquette, this player has now been warned about this incident. We will take further action if the player breaches our rules again. The help of vigilant players like yourself is vital in policing our site. We greatly appreciate your assistance in maintaining the integrity of our games. If there is anything else we can help you with, please let us know.Regards,KielPokerStars Support Team Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 I figured they would warn her, but STOP donk betting especially in multi-way pots OOP! Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted May 7, 2011 Share Posted May 7, 2011 Rose look at stack sizes, that's a fold with K10 arr day long baby. Link to post Share on other sites
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