Dept Of Justice Indictments

[aucu 3]

I think that US online poker players are going to learn VERY VERY quickly how a VPN (Virtual Private Network) functions. They are cheap, you can log in a foreign city, and all you need is an address in the country you are logging into. Don't log in any city from France because they have the retarded "French only" government monopoly.If you registered as "Bob Smith" open a new account using your middle name "Bob Newton Smith (these are examples of course) and quite legitimately PS or FTP is off the hook. Your address should be a friend that you can visit and therefore you have a legit address.When I travel I play anywhere except France where it is blocked and now I will have to hook up to my VPN in Canada to play if I am travelling in the US.I live in Canada so not affected but I already have a whole bunch of friends that want to visit ... if anyone wants info on Vancouver (free of charge of course) email me.Let's keep in percpective that on the road to poker regulation, this scenerio of US AG's foaming at the mouth shutting everything down is not an unforseen situation, and the reason that FTp & PS have been banging the drum in overseas markets with (ironically) freer markets than in today's USA.There is so much money in it for the governments regulating online poker that the prognosis for regulation is probably good. Let's just hope that the politicians understand the moral behind the fable about the goose that lays golden eggs and negotiates a settlement quickly because right now the DOJ is strangling the US goose ... but only the US goose.Just my two cents. The interent is full of VPN but do some research and pick a reputable one.

Over the years I've lived long term in three different countries and changed my address with poker sites each time, they always ask for a copy of a utility bill in my name at the new address as proof, which has never been a problem. So rather than opening a new account you may be able to "move" but you may have to set up some kind of banking arrangements as well outside of the USA.

[Scriptpro727 0]

I think that US online poker players are going to learn VERY VERY quickly how a VPN (Virtual Private Network) functions. They are cheap, you can log in a foreign city, and all you need is an address in the country you are logging into. Don't log in any city from France because they have the retarded "French only" government monopoly.If you registered as "Bob Smith" open a new account using your middle name "Bob Newton Smith (these are examples of course) and quite legitimately PS or FTP is off the hook. Your address should be a friend that you can visit and therefore you have a legit address.When I travel I play anywhere except France where it is blocked and now I will have to hook up to my VPN in Canada to play if I am travelling in the US.I live in Canada so not affected but I already have a whole bunch of friends that want to visit ... if anyone wants info on Vancouver (free of charge of course) email me.I guess this means Rose becomes the official FCP intermediary for all of our VPN's?Let's keep in percpective that on the road to poker regulation, this scenerio of US AG's foaming at the mouth shutting everything down is not an unforseen situation, and the reason that FTp & PS have been banging the drum in overseas markets with (ironically) freer markets than in today's USA.There is so much money in it for the governments regulating online poker that the prognosis for regulation is probably good. Let's just hope that the politicians understand the moral behind the fable about the goose that lays golden eggs and negotiates a settlement quickly because right now the DOJ is strangling the US goose ... but only the US goose.Just my two cents. The interent is full of VPN but do some research and pick a reputable one.

[Scriptpro727 0]

I guess this means Rose becomes the official FCP intermediary for our VPN's?

[nutzzcase 0]

The problem is not playing but cashing out. You won't be able to cash out with and bank account in the US.

[rcgs59 15]

I guess this means Rose becomes the official FCP intermediary for our VPN's?

?hey I am willing to let people use my addy but I also don't want to jeopardize my account with StarsIf I can help anyone in a poker way let me know. You guys here have always been my 1st family :)on that Sad note it really kills me that most of you can't play. It has sent me on a major donkey tilt the last 2 days were I should be cleaning up on the tables more. FeltStars isn't a bad skin. I am playing in a WSOP league there and out of 2 games I FT twice, and lead the standings hope my luck continues there.

[nutzbuster 7]

More to love and some additional perspective...http://www.billrini.com/2011/04/16/fallout...rstars-pullout/

[tbrick412 0]

More to love and some additional perspective...http://www.billrini.com/2011/04/16/fallout...rstars-pullout/

yeah i recommend everyone read this, very well written and a good read.

[nutzbuster 7]

Another Gem. http://potcommitted.blogspot.com/2011/04/e...ot+Committed%29

[rcgs59 15]

yeah i recommend everyone read this, very well written and a good read.

agree well written and a very sad because of the truths in it

[grgimpy 0]

agree well written and a very sad because of the truths in it

i really hope they are right about fast tracking the regulation of online poker. if this really happens, the games are going to be much juicier in the coming years.From the above article: Kim Lund's quote really stuck out:

The US market did not just die. It rebooted. CTRL. ALT. DELETE. And it will reboot much faster now. The void left by this raid is too juicy for the government not to want to taste. Tomorrow. Hopefully some of the ridiculous lobbying is now silenced and things can proceed in the quickest possible manner. Dear PPA, shut the hell up.

[flintsword 4]

Over the years I've lived long term in three different countries and changed my address with poker sites each time, they always ask for a copy of a utility bill in my name at the new address as proof, which has never been a problem. So rather than opening a new account you may be able to "move" but you may have to set up some kind of banking arrangements as well outside of the USA.

So you have a friend in a Canadian city agree to put you up. You open a new (singular intended) because your US persona is gone and toast. You are now a bona fide tourist visiting Canada and on Canadian soil you can play on PS or FTP as long as you claim residence and can prove it.It will not be easy but doable. It will take a little work.I was in France a few hours ago and if I wanted to play FullTiltPoker, I would have to register at fulltiltpoker.fr because only licensed dot FR poker sites can operate in the French market. I picked up four poker magazines in French and 75%+ of the ads and stories were about dot.fr sites of every kind. The WSOPE has moved to Cannes this year which is interesting because ironically all the PS and FTP advertising is legal there ... except it is fulltiltpoker.fr & pokerstars.fr Now think about it a minute ... what France has is probably the best case scenario for the US, but first PS and FullTiltPoker are going to have to settle this DOJ thing.My comment about VPNs (Virtual Private Networks) is an obvious way for some people to go but here is the bottom line for serious winning poker players in the U.S. ... if you want to play online poker you will have to take yourself out of the US and go to a country that allows you to play, and change your address with PS or FullTiltPoker.My suggestion of just registering your full name with a middle name in a new account was to avoid the problem of PS and FullTiltPoker deciding to not allow U.S. players to play even if they leave the U.S. to avoid potential troubles with the DOJ downstream.Banking arrangements are easy in Canada, Britain, France, etc, but they will take some work and a fixed address of some sort. I have been using a Bank of Montreal Mastercard forever to put money when needed on my FTP account, since my learning curve in PLO has been savage and you get a $2.75 service charge for a $500 deposit. The debit says clearly FULLTILTPOKER and not some bogus florist etc.This being a forum, I just floated the idea as practical and included some (hopefully) useful data. I really feel for a lot of my friends that depend on poker for their livelihoods.

[rcgs59 15]

Another Gem. http://potcommitted.blogspot.com/2011/04/e...ot+Committed%29

good one, I was there when she won the PCA ladies event, I was railing at her table. sigh Kristen

[aucu 3]

So you have a friend in a Canadian city agree to put you up. You open a new (singular intended) because your US persona is gone and toast. You are now a bona fide tourist visiting Canada and on Canadian soil you can play on PS or FTP as long as you claim residence and can prove it.It will not be easy but doable. It will take a little work.I was in France a few hours ago and if I wanted to play FullTiltPoker, I would have to register at fulltiltpoker.fr because only licensed dot FR poker sites can operate in the French market. I picked up four poker magazines in French and 75%+ of the ads and stories were about dot.fr sites of every kind. The WSOPE has moved to Cannes this year which is interesting because ironically all the PS and FTP advertising is legal there ... except it is fulltiltpoker.fr & pokerstars.fr Now think about it a minute ... what France has is probably the best case scenario for the US, but first PS and FullTiltPoker are going to have to settle this DOJ thing.My comment about VPNs (Virtual Private Networks) is an obvious way for some people to go but here is the bottom line for serious winning poker players in the U.S. ... if you want to play online poker you will have to take yourself out of the US and go to a country that allows you to play, and change your address with PS or FullTiltPoker.My suggestion of just registering your full name with a middle name in a new account was to avoid the problem of PS and FullTiltPoker deciding to not allow U.S. players to play even if they leave the U.S. to avoid potential troubles with the DOJ downstream.Banking arrangements are easy in Canada, Britain, France, etc, but they will take some work and a fixed address of some sort. I have been using a Bank of Montreal Mastercard forever to put money when needed on my FTP account, since my learning curve in PLO has been savage and you get a $2.75 service charge for a $500 deposit. The debit says clearly FULLTILTPOKER and not some bogus florist etc.This being a forum, I just floated the idea as practical and included some (hopefully) useful data. I really feel for a lot of my friends that depend on poker for their livelihoods.

Fortunately I just got this email

Dear aucu,As you may have heard, due to recent developments in the USA, we had to make changes to our website address. We have moved the PokerStars website to www.pokerstars.eu. Our Support email address has also moved to support@pokerstars.eu.These developments do not have any impact on your ability to play real money games and tourneys on PokerStars - it is business as usual for all players outside the USA. Sit & Go's, Multi-Table Tourneys and cash ring games at all stakes and limit types are running normally. You can rest assured that player balances are safe.If you have any further questions, please contact us at support@pokerstars.eu. In the meantime, please continue to enjoy playing our games! We thank you for choosing PokerStars.The PokerStars TeamFind the Poker Star in you!

Setting up banking in a country that you do not have legal residency in, may be a no go in many places (Honduras, Nicaragua,,,,) with the exception of places like Grand Cayman where you need to provide them with a reason you are opening an account (such as I live in Mexico and don't trust the banks) and a banking reference (a letter from a bank stating that you have been a client in good standing for x years)Getting a utility bill in your name is easy (phone, power, gas, cable) as long as you are able to receive mail at said address, the bank will want this as well.If anyone really wanted to they could get a place in a Mexican beach town and set up shop to provide "residency" for USA players and pretend that a house was an apartment building with as many units as needed and a server that they could log on to and virtually play from out of the country. Should get a Mexican cell phone with international roaming to provide a phone number that customer service could call.Anyone doing this would have to be someone of good standing such as JC.I have no interest in doing this myself because I don't have the time and I'm no hard core player.This kind of thing would be much harder to pull off in Canada as pretending your house is an apartment building and getting custom made utility bills may be hard.Don't could on the USA government authorities acting logically just because there is revenue and jobs at stake, just look at what they have done to the offshore oil industry which is worth so much more.Making the jump to physically and fiscally move to a new country is a big decision that needs to be investigated and thought out.

[rcgs59 15]

In case people are unaware why we haven't heard from our leaderRealKidPoker Daniel NegreanuNot ignoring #BlackFriday and as much as I'd love to discuss it, I've been advised not to for now. As soon as I can, I'll add my two cents.

[gatortom64 1]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker/colum...&id=6372121After indictments, poker industry looks forward--------------------------------------------------------------------------------By Gary WiseSpecial to ESPN.comThere is no entity in the poker industry whose fate did not take a sharp turn Friday.As we learned Friday, the Department of Justice arraigned 11 prominent members of the poker industry for fraud and money laundering to the tune of billions, among other charges, seized five URLs, froze more than 75 bank accounts and effectively jettisoned PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker from American culture. Now, as the dust begins to settle, we take stock of events as they've unfolded, try to answer some of the questions raised and do some educated guesswork on what tomorrow's poker industry may look like.Since the announcement:• DOJ spokesperson Caroline Sullivan confirmed to ESPN.com that Chad Elie and John Campos were taken into custody early on Friday and Bradley Franzen was arrested after the DOJ statement was released. Franzen will be arraigned on Monday in the Southern district of New York.• Some two weeks after announcing partnerships with PokerStars and FullTiltPoker, respectively, Wynn Resorts and Station Casinos each announced they had terminated their alliances.• Full Tilt Poker issued a statement assuring players' funds were safe and withdrawal requests would be honored. • PokerStars made a similar announcement to their clients, adding "outside the US it is business as usual." They also moved their online base of operations to www.pokerstars.eu. Similarly, FTP moved to www.fulltiltpoker.co.uk.• FTP issued a news release in conjunction with CEO Ray Bitar (who was also charged) in which Bitar voiced his disappointment with the DOJ's decision to bring charges. FTP voiced support for Bitar and the company announced it was suspending "real money" play in the United States, but was continuing to provide peer-to-peer play elsewhere.At present, there have been no statements from UB.com. PS and FTP have left the U.S. market along with some 25 to 40 percent of their respective customer bases. What now? For the market: While the events of the past month (namely, the partnerships between land-based and online casinos and the recent experiments in limited legalization in the District of Columbia) suggested forward momentum for the online poker industry as it was constituted then, now that momentum shifts back to land-based casinos and online operators that have stayed out of the U.S. market or have limited U.S. play to non-real-money play. Both bwin.party digital entertainment and Zynga appear to be in good shape to capitalize on Friday's developments, with the former's reported search for partnership with a land-based giant seemingly intact. The departure of Poker Stars and Full Tilt Poker leaves a large gap in the U.S. poker market which other operators may seek to exploit. While the threat of additional arraignments looms large, we may see reflections of late 2006, when Party Poker's departure from the U.S. market in the wake of the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act's (UIGEA) passing was seized as an opportunity by PS and FTP, among others. It's been almost five years since PS and FTP made the decision to continue their operations in the U.S., and it took that long for the DOJ to build its cases against them. 2011's renditions may see that as plenty of time to build their coffers. . ARTICLE CONTINUED AT LINK ABOVE

[jowest 0]

Just call me Mr. Bright side:Many of us had made deposits to full tilt that had instantly credited to our full tilt accounts, but had not left our bank accounts. I deposited $160 in February and it never left my bank. There it sat yesterday.....staring at me. I slowly came to the realization that even though I did not cash in the tournament I spent the money on, full tilt failed to process it from my account. Long story short, I never LOST the $160. I used it last night to buy into a live cash game and cashed out after 1 single hour of play for a profit of $500 (weak sick brag). For the many customers who were wondering when the money will be taken from their bank accounts.....the answer it never. Enjoy.

[TwstdWrstr 10]

I would think if/when we get our balance payouts the sites would deduct any owed deposit amounts before sending a final reimbursement.However if a player would end up in the red i doubt they would be able to collect the difference, but at this point thats just speculation.

[Veranor 0]

This is all a big pile of crap.The US Government, in their infinite wisdom, are trying to keep money from leaving the US. Why? We're broke! Any hint of money / currency / gold leaving the US will result in the Government cracking down. You can thank Republicans and the many Tea Party representatives that infuse religion into their political practice, believe in big oil, and complete cutting of most, if not all, government programs. So who does that leave? Democrats? They sit around and spend money on random shit thinking, "this will help," when all it really does is lodge us further into debt. Then when the dust settles, they say they didn't know this would happen.It's not stopping here. Pretty soon, any activity that runs the risk of losing US dollars to foreign consumers will be banned/blocked. If everyone on here really cared, they will do 1 of 2 things:A) Move to another countryB) Riot/March the capitalI don't see anything else coming of this. It is a sad day for online / live poker. Live poker in the fact that the pros will no longer have the respect for B&M casinos that they did in the past. Online poker in the fact that I know thousands of players are out of work and will soon be broke. No unemployment there. No one will consider your job a reputable one. I do, but I am not the hammer that will provide you with money to get by.I'm impacted too by this, but I have a job. My impact is not that significant, as I was trying to build a bankroll from nothing to a lot in MTTs. My stats are out there. I'm slowing improving, but now I guess I won't be improving anymore.

[CobaltBlue 662]

I was discussing with someone the other day that poker actually might be a good thing for the US trade deficit. Yes, some money goes out, but a lot of money probably comes into the US from the global poker market.

[rcgs59 15]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/day-2-qj-live-show

[FCP Bob 1,312]

I did a small test withdrawal to Moneybookers from Poker Stars on Friday night and it was just put in my Moneybookers account.I did a $2K withdrawal via cheque tonight and I'll let everybody know when it arrives.

[TwstdWrstr 10]

I did a small test withdrawal to Moneybookers from Poker Stars on Friday night and it was just put in my Moneybookers account.I did a $2K withdrawal via cheque tonight and I'll let everybody know when it arrives.

brags itt

[kepper 0]

I did a small test withdrawal to Moneybookers from Poker Stars on Friday night and it was just put in my Moneybookers account.I did a $2K withdrawal via cheque tonight and I'll let everybody know when it arrives.

I've had a cheque withdrawal from stars pending since Friday

[slink 1]

Is ther any indication that the owners of FT (Lederer etc.) and PS will face any kind of charges?

[FCP Bob 1,312]

I've had a cheque withdrawal from stars pending since Friday

A cheque would always be pending from Friday until the next business day which is today so even if all this hadn't happened that wouldn't have changed.