Feb 2011 4.40 Challenge

[FARGOpokerND 22]

Thanks for doing some math. I'm glad that posting the hand got a good discussion going. All players being equal, I would agree that this is a good spot to shove, but when you factor in the skill level of opponents and the value of seeing more hands, I would still be hesitant to shove.

I can't tell, are you putting yourself down?

[Tehtoe 3]

Any shove is generally unexploitable

keep up the good analysis tho, you're a hero.

[king_tanner 84]

Bubble girl finished 19th with ATo v K2sAs for doing more of these, if we did $2.20 180 turbos I wouldn't mind but these are just painful.

shoulda folded. %'s tell me to only push if the cards are of the same soooooooootHow is a 2.20 less painful compared to a 4.40? Isn't everyone morons at both buyin levels?

[DiamondDixie 12]

keep up the good analysis tho, you're a hero.

I'm pretty sick of this discussion (and the smartass replies) but what I meant to say here is anyone can SAY any shove is unexploitable....It's a shame everyone one on this forum isn't as good as some people think they are.

[DiamondDixie 12]

shoulda folded. %'s tell me to only push if the cards are of the same soooooooootHow is a 2.20 less painful compared to a 4.40? Isn't everyone morons at both buyin levels?

It's not the morons it's the slow play that's painful, I certainly don't want to play with a bunch of sharks, the $2.20 180s are turbo and move fast and finish in 1.5 hours vs. 4 hours for the $4.40s. Since there isn't a 180 in the $5 range and the next one is $7.70 the $2.20s are the closest buy in to the $4.40. I just greatly prefer turbos, not to mention you can load 8 to 10 $2.20 180s in a matter of minutes while the $4.40s take forever to load.

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[CorvairShaggy 5]

It's not the morons it's the slow play that's painful, I certainly don't want to play with a bunch of sharks, the $2.20 180s are turbo and move fast and finish in 1.5 hours vs. 4 hours for the $4.40s. Since there isn't a 180 in the $5 range and the next one is $7.70 the $2.20s are the closest buy in to the $4.40. I just greatly prefer turbos, not to mention you can load 8 to 10 $2.20 180s in a matter of minutes while the $4.40s take forever to load.

I agree here. I always play turbos, and I guess this is why they call it "grinding". So far, it seems the type of players in the $2.20s and $4.40s are the same. I like to get into shove/fold mode faster. I like flippin.

[donk4life 34]

I'm pretty sick of this discussion (and the smartass replies) but what I meant to say here is anyone can SAY any shove is unexploitable....It's a shame everyone one on this forum isn't as good as some people think they are.

really, i don't understand why people give you smart ass replies!

[Nvrquit 0]

It's not the morons it's the slow play that's painful, I certainly don't want to play with a bunch of sharks, the $2.20 180s are turbo and move fast and finish in 1.5 hours vs. 4 hours for the $4.40s. Since there isn't a 180 in the $5 range and the next one is $7.70 the $2.20s are the closest buy in to the $4.40. I just greatly prefer turbos, not to mention you can load 8 to 10 $2.20 180s in a matter of minutes while the $4.40s take forever to load.

Play during the day, they fill up fast. Can get about 10 up in a hour.(If you run ok)

[FARGOpokerND 22]

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Sick post quality, Josh.

[Good Tom Hunting 0]

I can't tell, are you putting yourself down?

No, the opposite. I was trying to say that since I believe my skill level is higher on average than the skill level of the remaining players, I wouldn't want to shove in such a small EV spot there with that stack size. I will usually muck 44 in that spot with ~ 15 to 30 bb

[FARGOpokerND 22]

No, the opposite. I was trying to say that since I believe my skill level is higher on average than the skill level of the remaining players, I wouldn't want to shove in such a small EV spot there with that stack size. I will usually muck 44 in that spot with ~ 15 to 30 bb

I was talking about you saying you are not good in my situation when I shove into you because I shouldn't shove with poor quality of players behind me (and since you were behind me, you made an indirect shot at yourself)Also, if you are going to make marginal folds with 44, it should be 18-22bb, not 15 or 30bb... I still am quite positive its a shove in any case, although it is closer to breakeven play 18-22.

[vbnautilus 48]

Would anyone be interested in doing this once every other month and/or once every four months or something like that, and that at end of the year do a Tournament of Champions or something like that?

no.

[outsider13 0]

Yeah, bi-annually is more than enough.

[Good Tom Hunting 0]

I was talking about you saying you are not good in my situation when I shove into you because I shouldn't shove with poor quality of players behind me (and since you were behind me, you made an indirect shot at yourself)

Hmmmm, I'm sure I was talking about weak players in general, not me, at least thats what i meant to say.

[Canary3 1]

I agree here. I always play turbos, and I guess this is why they call it "grinding". So far, it seems the type of players in the $2.20s and $4.40s are the same. I like to get into shove/fold mode faster. I like flippin.

I'm in the same boat. I just don't have the time to play for 4 hours at a time.

[babylondonks 5]

Hmmmm, I'm sure I was talking about weak players in general, not me, at least thats what i meant to say.

Don't listen to Adam for a number of reasons:1) He has Fargo in his name2) the ND in his name stands for Nuclear Disarmament, and if we did that then Mohammed Yusuf Hussein and his lackeys would win3) He has a silly avatar4) He shoved 44 with a >20bb stack5) He doesn't like Illmatic

[MaxStPolish 4]

Don't listen to Adam for a number of reasons:5) He doesn't like Illmatic

As in the Nas album???

[kobe2odom8 14]

Don't listen to Adam for a number of reasons:1) He has Fargo in his name2) the ND in his name stands for Nuclear Disarmament, and if we did that then Mohammed Yusuf Hussein and his lackeys would win3) He has a silly avatar4) He shoved 44 with a >20bb stack5) He doesn't like Illmatic

+1

[FARGOpokerND 22]

Never said I didn't like it! I just wasn't that into it, just like you aren't that into Kanye's College Dropout.Also...with 10 left in a 4.40...PokerStars Game #57132630795: Tournament #361050338, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2011/02/04 20:28:40 CT [2011/02/04 21:28:40 ET]Table '361050338 19' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: JohnnyJonas (11992 in chips) Seat 2: ADDILAC299 (52377 in chips) Seat 3: Mr RakaJohn (48320 in chips) Seat 4: TheGreatModi (14618 in chips) Seat 8: billbigs1004 (39158 in chips) JohnnyJonas: posts the ante 100ADDILAC299: posts the ante 100Mr RakaJohn: posts the ante 100TheGreatModi: posts the ante 100billbigs1004: posts the ante 100ADDILAC299: posts small blind 500Mr RakaJohn: posts big blind 1000*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to ADDILAC299 [6d 6h]TheGreatModi: folds billbigs1004: raises 2000 to 3000JohnnyJonas: folds ADDILAC299: calls 2500Mr RakaJohn: folds *** FLOP *** [2d 9d 5h]ADDILAC299: checks billbigs1004: bets 3000ADDILAC299: calls 3000*** TURN *** [2d 9d 5h] [8s]ADDILAC299: bets 5225billbigs1004: calls 5225*** RIVER *** [2d 9d 5h 8s] [7h]ADDILAC299: bets 11630billbigs1004: raises 14370 to 26000ADDILAC299: raises 14370 to 40370billbigs1004: calls 1833 and is all-inUncalled bet (12537) returned to ADDILAC299*** SHOW DOWN ***ADDILAC299: shows [6d 6h] (a straight, Five to Nine)billbigs1004: shows [Jc Td] (a straight, Seven to Jack)billbigs1004 collected 79616 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 79616 | Rake 0 Board [2d 9d 5h 8s 7h]Seat 1: JohnnyJonas (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: ADDILAC299 (small blind) showed [6d 6h] and lost with a straight, Five to NineSeat 3: Mr RakaJohn (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 4: TheGreatModi folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: billbigs1004 showed [Jc Td] and won (79616) with a straight, Seven to JackThen busted in 9th 88<AK sigh.

[babylondonks 5]

Adam Fargo 11:46 am well thats fine cuz i didn't like illmaticoh

[FARGOpokerND 22]

Adam Fargo 11:46 am well thats fine cuz i didn't like illmaticoh

That was a hate statement because you put me on life tilt with your dissing of Kanye.

[MaxStPolish 4]

illmatic is the ****ing shit.

[kobe2odom8 14]

Thoughts on this one Lisa?PokerStars Game #57134405481: Tournament #361065507, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2011/02/04 19:18:50 PT [2011/02/04 22:18:50 ET]Table '361065507 9' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: leafnation72 (18810 in chips) Seat 2: ADDILAC299 (20337 in chips) Seat 3: jonsi-be (30299 in chips) Seat 4: neoli (13944 in chips) Seat 7: Thiago Vaz81 (55602 in chips) Seat 9: k0tSiO5 (17681 in chips) leafnation72: posts the ante 100ADDILAC299: posts the ante 100jonsi-be: posts the ante 100neoli: posts the ante 100Thiago Vaz81: posts the ante 100k0tSiO5: posts the ante 100ADDILAC299: posts small blind 500jonsi-be: posts big blind 1000*** HOLE CARDS ***neoli: folds Thiago Vaz81: folds k0tSiO5: folds leafnation72: folds ADDILAC299: raises 19237 to 20237 and is all-injonsi-be: calls 19237*** FLOP *** [8s Tc Kd]*** TURN *** [8s Tc Kd] [3c]*** RIVER *** [8s Tc Kd 3c] [6c]*** SHOW DOWN ***ADDILAC299: shows [Ah 4c] (high card Ace)jonsi-be: shows [Qs Td] (a pair of Tens)jonsi-be collected 41074 from potADDILAC299 finished the tournament in 11th place and received $8.64.*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 41074 | Rake 0 Board [8s Tc Kd 3c 6c]Seat 1: leafnation72 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: ADDILAC299 (small blind) showed [Ah 4c] and lost with high card AceSeat 3: jonsi-be (big blind) showed [Qs Td] and won (41074) with a pair of TensSeat 4: neoli folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: Thiago Vaz81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: k0tSiO5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)