donk4life 34 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I've never seen babylon or donk4 type so much....i bring out the big guns when bob calls me a troll Link to post Share on other sites
tbrick412 0 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 My hgod you are sexy Link to post Share on other sites
BellaireDrew 2 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 i bring out the big guns when bob calls me a trollTROLL!!! Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 i think shoving with 44 with any stack in these is good cuz it's a 4.40i mean im not superstition or anything but its goota mean something, right?/2cents Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I've never seen babylon or donk4 type so much....I've never seen you post outside of the strat forums beforeI hope all is well again in the fcp community! I think this just shows how trrbl 440s are... they just make everyone hate life and one another. Link to post Share on other sites
CorvairShaggy 5 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I am quite drunk, just thought I'd preface this post with that.I think donk4life pretty much hit the nail on the head here. There are a lot of guys who have come and gone on FCP since I've been a member who are always convinced of them being right and refuse to accept guidance; I can't say I was much differnt back then (nor am I that much different now tbh). But it does lead to a lot of bullshit in this forum which gets tough to deal with. Nobody posts in the strat threads anymore, particularly tourney strat (movin' on up thread aside, which is fantastic. Kingjames deserves member of the month again) and so it really seems like nobody is here to learn. There are a bunch of players who are really good still hanging around the site still, but it has turned into a bit of a clique because of a lot of them interact outside of this forum. This turns into people not taking anything too seriously, peers, other posters, themselves, etc. Not going to try and excuse all our actions because I know I'm not the nicest kid on the block these days, but we treat just about everyone the same. If you do something silly you're gonna be ridiculed, if you do something sensible you're still going to be ridiculed, whether you're tehtoe or mercury. If you're willing to learn and try and mutually make everyone better then that's great I'm always trying to get better and I think discussion and working with peers is one of the most effective methods of that. FCP can prove a medium for that, but really it's a bit like rose says: boys will be boys. I don't think it's actually because we're all boys, but it's as apt a phrase as any I can think of right now. I have actually heard of effective blinds before, and I'm sorry for not being around to back you up Dixie, because it is actually quite a useful way of measuring a stack and whether to push/fold/raise etc. But my natural response when people mention an effective stack is going to be the smaller stack remaining in the hand, a remnant from a cash game upbringing, which most of us from the boys club have. It shouldn't matter though, I hope you don't take your ball and go home because I do like fresh blood around here, even if it's just so I can poke fun at more people I really have no idea where I'm going with this, so just imagine this post as a supplement to donk4life's, it's just drunker and with better punctuation WOW! This is probably one of the best posts recently. It really explains why the atmosphere is the way it is here. Me being a "beginner" for lack of a better term, and people like Dixie and a few others that are just now getting into poker, have landed here in search of getting better. A lot of you guys have been here since the "poker boom" and have really worked on your games and got it to the point it is now to where most of you are solid winning players. After this post, I can see things from another perspective now, as you "old vets" probably do get annoyed by "newbies" coming in here arguing that their point of view is right, because of flawed thinking/discussion. BUT, I think the part about being a clique is correct. There are still some of us that come here (now and in the future) that do want to learn and get better, but I guess some of you are just jaded by having to fight with the newbie know-it-alls all the time, mostly in the past. There is not alot of new people coming here, so flaming them from the get-go is not a good way to build back up, if that is what some of you really want.I really do respect most of you guys, and do not get into big discussions like Dixie did, because I am a puss and did not want to get flamed like she did. I do enjoy coming here, I guess because my life is boring and sucks right now, which is why I got back into poker. I post in the strat section and have an on-going thread that I created to try to get better in the $3 rebuys, which some of you may have read, but only Highway and a few others actually post. I actually have been getting better and starting to understand more because of that thread, but the process is slow. Grant it, some of that stuff may seem very basic and stupid to you advanced, solid players, but can you remember when you guys started and some of that stuff seemed difficult to you? It was only after posting and discussing that you got better, and got to the point you are now. Go back and read some of the archived posts. Some of you a few years ago were posting goofey strat stuff that if I copied and pasted what you said a few years ago as my own thought today, I would be flamed for saying it.Basically, please take it easy on us little guys that are trying to learn and get better. Of coarse we have flawed thinking, because we have not been taught any better. Grant it, one's personality can really misconstrue the point, that is why I hate internet forums because you can not really get across your point sometimes in a paragraph or so.Anyway, just my .02. Carry on flamers, trollers and the likes Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I doubt he'll even remember he made this post tomorrow.You need a thick skin to survive around here...no idea how Rose has made it for this long Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 4 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 BUT, I think the part about being a clique is correct. There are still some of us that come here (now and in the future) that do want to learn and get better, but I guess some of you are just jaded by having to fight with the newbie know-it-alls all the time, mostly in the past.This-ish.It's weird to see how GenPop has turned from the place for trolls/newbs/donks to more of a clique. I try to wade into the waters here, but it's too insulated. You guys talk about being "really good" and "trying to teach you how to be better" and stuff like that and it just comes off as snobbish. And when I say "you guys" I mean both sides. I don't want to get too into this argument because I'm not one for giant online discussions anymore. But this thread is full of things I used to say here and everyone just thought I was a dick (because I was). Everyone just needs to reign in their egos a bit and have some fun.My .02. Carry on. Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 i hate hate hate hate hate being arrogant, but myself and others have been winning players for a number of years now, with pretty decent win-rates at higher stakes. but god forbid you listen to people like us, because you're a woman and rose and has planted this idea in your head you have to be a LIONESS to keep away the hungry Hyenas.<3 Ian I am quite drunk, just thought I'd preface this post with that.I think donk4life pretty much hit the nail on the head here. There are a lot of guys who have come and gone on FCP since I've been a member who are always convinced of them being right and refuse to accept guidance; I can't say I was much differnt back then (nor am I that much different now tbh). But it does lead to a lot of bullshit in this forum which gets tough to deal with. Nobody posts in the strat threads anymore, particularly tourney strat (movin' on up thread aside, which is fantastic. Kingjames deserves member of the month again) and so it really seems like nobody is here to learn. There are a bunch of players who are really good still hanging around the site still, but it has turned into a bit of a clique because of a lot of them interact outside of this forum. This turns into people not taking anything too seriously, peers, other posters, themselves, etc. Not going to try and excuse all our actions because I know I'm not the nicest kid on the block these days, but we treat just about everyone the same. If you do something silly you're gonna be ridiculed, if you do something sensible you're still going to be ridiculed, whether you're tehtoe or mercury. If you're willing to learn and try and mutually make everyone better then that's great I'm always trying to get better and I think discussion and working with peers is one of the most effective methods of that. FCP can prove a medium for that, but really it's a bit like rose says: boys will be boys. I don't think it's actually because we're all boys, but it's as apt a phrase as any I can think of right now. I have actually heard of effective blinds before, and I'm sorry for not being around to back you up Dixie, because it is actually quite a useful way of measuring a stack and whether to push/fold/raise etc. But my natural response when people mention an effective stack is going to be the smaller stack remaining in the hand, a remnant from a cash game upbringing, which most of us from the boys club have. It shouldn't matter though, I hope you don't take your ball and go home because I do like fresh blood around here, even if it's just so I can poke fun at more people I really have no idea where I'm going with this, so just imagine this post as a supplement to donk4life's, it's just drunker and with better punctuation Dam this is got to be the best post I ever see you make :)One major thing about FCP we may bitch at times but there is still some learning always to be made here. If it wasn't for this site and a lot of you guys here my game would of never improved. I may not be a winning player yet, but I am getting there thanks to you all.P.S.What the **** with the sexist remarks lolJust saying sometimes it's harder for us girls to prove ourselves in the game, especially us older ones Like Dixie and I, remember boys we are old enough to be your Mom's ;)otherwise Hugs and lets see some winning, heading back out to the casino for another awesome run , later all I doubt he'll even remember he made this post tomorrow.You need a thick skin to survive around here...no idea how Rose has made it for this long .My love for the game, and because I shrug off most of it. There are times were it was tuff. but getting to know some of you in chat or else where I see other sides of people and not just there internet persona Link to post Share on other sites
CoolHandKai 0 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Everyone just needs to rein in their egos a bit and have some fun.Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 so i'm gonna say it...i don't 'agree w/ the 44 shove, but i'm not saying its badbut ya, ian and phil hit it on the head w/ their posts...can't believe phil can type that much tho Link to post Share on other sites
Good Tom Hunting 0 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Shit just got real Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 You seriously shoved 22 BB with 4 4 over a big stack, errr okay! LOL and you sucked out! That's poker!Good luck at the final table! Luckbox!Okay you're right Donk, the above comment set the tone for this post and it was worded very arrogantly. I should have said it much better. Not arguing the hand just surprised at shoving 4 4 with 22bb over a big stack, but it's all about the results! Maybe I'm just a nit. Not nice Tehtoe!Edit: I seriously am interested in your thinking because I would have folded 4 4 here so I'm just wondering if I'm too nitty or missing something. I'm not being critical.After about 3 replies I did however come back and say the above but I still had to add it in a bitchy comment "but it's all about the results" which continued the bitchy tone, but I did get called a dumbass which was unnecessary and just pissed me off. Loved the bluff with 5 5 btw! Very well played!I really thought this was great! I wish I had the guts to pull something like this off. This was the perfect set up and you read him well and played this great, imo.I would have folded and waited for a better spot. I actually discussed this hand with a PokerVT SNG pro (who is an ICM genius) and he plugged it into wiz and with the stacks involved it was definitely a -EV play. At 10 effective it would be fine but with 22BB it was a very risky play especially with the big stack in the way and BB having a big enough stack to totally cripple you. Was it horrible, probably not especially if those left to act were really tight but it was bad enough that a fold would have been the better play.Here I tried to explain where I was coming from but I guess it still wasn't conceding that I was wrong because I still say it was extremely close, not bad to fold here and not bad to shove either. I still think, like some others here, a fold was better but there are very few situations in poker that are absolutely right or wrong. Most shoves are very read dependent therefore even if SNGWIZ doesn't like a shove that doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong under the existing circumstances. I think the 4 4 was one of those situations. By only slightly adjusting the calling ranges of the three left to act this changes from a shove to fold and otherwise. I learned somethings from this thread:Think about how I sound when I post something. I do have a smartass sense of humor but unfortunately in print things sound serious when they are meant in another way. I never meant to sound arrogant or know it all because I certainly am not arrogant and I don't know it all. If my 2nd comment, without the smartass comment, had been my first comment I think this subject would have taken different turn. In the future I will be more thoughtful in posting questions about hands played. I can be a smartass but I don't mean it in a negative or arrogant way. Slate is wiped clean and I think some good came of this discussion, hopefully all the way around.LOL at "Group Hug" that's great! Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Also, I don't think donk4life's comment about PokerVT was mean spirited or anything. I think it is the general impression (not totally sure) that PokerVT is kind of a joke so he was making more fun of the site than he was of you, but who knows. And if he is making fun of you, who cares its the ****ing internet.I'm really curious about this comment, especially since FCP is Daniel's site and PokerVT is Daniel's training site, why would PokerVT be considered a joke. Have you ever been a member and seen any of the content? In my humble opinion PokerVT is without a doubt the best training site online. Yes, my opinion is biased but still. The pros are great and Jason Sommerville's new MTT course is worth the subscription even without all the other content. For newer players and even intermediate players I don't think any other site comes close. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I'm really curious about this comment, especially since FCP is Daniel's site and PokerVT is Daniel's training site, why would PokerVT be considered a joke. Have you ever been a member and seen any of the content? In my humble opinion PokerVT is without a doubt the best training site online. Yes, my opinion is biased but still. The pros are great and Jason Sommerville's new MTT course is worth the subscription even without all the other content. For newer players and even intermediate players I don't think any other site comes close.DC vs pokervt brawl anytime, sweetheart Link to post Share on other sites
DiamondDixie 12 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 DC vs pokervt brawl anytime, sweetheartFor cash DC is probably better but what about SNGs and MTTs? Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 For cash DC is probably better but what about SNGs and MTTs?ha, I'm just messing around. bc I don't watch the SNG MTT on deuces content and you prob don't watch most of the cash content on vt... so apples/orangesvanessa selbst makes donkament vids for DC... wonder if her lifetime winnings > justin summerville's? Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 the maven vt /discussion Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 training stars dot com/discussionfyp Link to post Share on other sites
nutzzcase 0 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 the maven vt /discussion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmyXoXbIHMAmaven vt the virtual training site for multi-table tounaments Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 There used to be some guy on here that always raved about pokervt and how turned him into one the best players out there and blah blah blah.It was really annoying, so I think that's where my hatred comes from. Link to post Share on other sites
CorvairShaggy 5 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 There used to be some guy on here that always raved about pokervt and how turned him into one the best players out there and blah blah blah.It was really annoying, so I think that's where my hatred comes from.If it was not for pokervt, I would still play like arsenic. Now, I just play horrible. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 If it was not for pokervt, I would still play like arsenic. Now, I just play horrible. what are you talking about bro arsenic is all about feel Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Arsenic might have a couple of leaks. Pretty solid fundamentals though. Link to post Share on other sites
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