CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Not much in the way of reads. Villain is only one-tabling.v1.24Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 9 playersButton observer527: $56.45 SB old haymaker: $67.95 BB Hot Tub Jonny: $38.20 UTG MOONSHINE22: $32.80 UTG+1 Hero: $183.30 MP bill4895: $224.00 MP2 DACTO: $18.25 HJ GSVIKING: $50.00 CO Conwayetal: $50.00 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+1 with : : (9 players)MOONSHINE22 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 5 folds, old haymaker calls $1.25, Hot Tub Jonny foldsFlop: ($3.50) : : : (2 players)old haymaker bets $3, Hero raises to $9, old haymaker calls $6Turn: ($21.50) : (2 players)old haymaker bets $0.50, Hero raises to $13, old haymaker calls $12.50River: ($47.50) : (2 players)old haymaker bets $0.50, Hero raises to $45 Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 One-tabling fish I just fold to his flop betMaybe you get him to lay down JT on the river? Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 In my experience fish rarely fold when they min-donkbet turn and river and you raise them. Having said that, I always do it because it's extremely tilting. Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 give up on the turn imo he isnt folding Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 give up on the turn imo he isnt foldingThis. We fired two shells. He was happy to call. The river changed nothing. Link to post Share on other sites
Ninja Ace 1 Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 I don't much like raising pot sized donkbets as a pure bluff on the flop. I see bet/3bet here a lot with "i hasses the toppedest pair" or they get sticky with some stupid marginal hand. It is air a decent amount though so I'd probably float.Turn you can get these stupid blockers to fold fairly often as they're asking for a cheap card. I like the raise on what should be a brick for both of you.River is annoying because I don't see blocker/fold often enough. Sizing is a little rough too because you have to get this to work 50% of the time. I'd try it a little smaller if i tried. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 give up on the turn imo he isnt foldingSo you fold getting 44-1?For you guys wanting to give up, what kind of hand do you put him on? Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 JT? He should fold to your river raiseI think if you decide to raise this flop, which I don't do, then you're justified in raising his min-bets Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 4, 2011 Author Share Posted January 4, 2011 JT? He should fold to your river raiseI think if you decide to raise this flop, which I don't do, then you're justified in raising his min-betsThis was kind of my feeling also.As for raising the flop donkbet...donkbets are weak...my hand doesn't really have a lot of showdown value or much of a chance to improve, so I raise. I'd be more inclined to flat with something like even 66. Link to post Share on other sites
fighter 4 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 This was kind of my feeling also.As for raising the flop donkbet...donkbets are weak...my hand doesn't really have a lot of showdown value or much of a chance to improve, so I raise. I'd be more inclined to flat with something like even 66.The donk bet had better be very weak. Since you have next to no chance of improving, meaning this is akin to a pure bluff and as such needs a lot of fold equity. As he keeps on calling our raises, is his range still weak enough to justify this? Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 The donk bet had better be very weak. Since you have next to no chance of improving, meaning this is akin to a pure bluff and as such needs a lot of fold equity. As he keeps on calling our raises, is his range still weak enough to justify this?People donk out on flops with A-high, crappy pairs, and absolute air plenty.I'd say his bet-sizing continues to say that he's weak. That said, I'm obviously not quite sure how stubborn he is. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 Results:Opponent thought for only a moment before calling with Krablar ().I was quite annoyed since it was one of those situations where I read my opponent's hand strength correctly but couldn't get him to do what I wanted.I actually agree with Ninja that my river sizing could be better...that was my biggest regret. I probably could've gotten roughly the same effect as a shove with a raise in the $25-30 range...and saved money when he decided to station off as he did. In the future, I will obviously not be bluffing this opponent. Link to post Share on other sites
Solar 0 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I raise donkbets on the flop 100% if the donkbet is small, larger ones like this I give up on quite a few flops, this one probably included. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 I raise donkbets on the flop 100% if the donkbet is small, larger ones like this I give up on quite a few flops, this one probably included.Yeah, honestly, this isn't a terrible approach. I'm much more likely to raise small ones, but I do sometimes raise larger ones. I think this was probably a case of the donkbet not "seeming" large due to my mixture of stakes (I'm playing 2/4 some these days), but it's obviously large in relation to the stakes and pot. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 OBV I think we can call the 50 cents. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 I think that the flop is a trivial fold. There are so many draws that he can/will continue with and that is really a horrid board for your hand vs anyone's range, especially a fish's range here he could be lead/calling crap like QT here. I think closing your eyes and trying to move people off hands on that board when they're not good players is lighting money on fire. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 10, 2011 Author Share Posted January 10, 2011 I think that the flop is a trivial fold. There are so many draws that he can/will continue with and that is really a horrid board for your hand vs anyone's range, especially a fish's range here he could be lead/calling crap like QT here. I think closing your eyes and trying to move people off hands on that board when they're not good players is lighting money on fire.I do agree with this in retrospect. Sometimes I get a little too caught up in my mantra. Link to post Share on other sites
Jbird 0 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Not much in the way of reads. Villain is only one-tabling.v1.24Feral Cow Poker Hand ConverterFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 9 playersButton observer527: $56.45 SB old haymaker: $67.95 BB Hot Tub Jonny: $38.20 UTG MOONSHINE22: $32.80 UTG+1 Hero: $183.30 MP bill4895: $224.00 MP2 DACTO: $18.25 HJ GSVIKING: $50.00 CO Conwayetal: $50.00 Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+1 with : : (9 players)MOONSHINE22 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 5 folds, old haymaker calls $1.25, Hot Tub Jonny foldsFlop: ($3.50) : : : (2 players)old haymaker bets $3, Hero raises to $9, old haymaker calls $6Turn: ($21.50) : (2 players)old haymaker bets $0.50, Hero raises to $13, old haymaker calls $12.50River: ($47.50) : (2 players)old haymaker bets $0.50, Hero raises to $45 This is bad flop for you to make a move on. The board has hit a lot of the villains range and in the micros villains don't like folding . Also think why bluffing with your given hand may be a bad idea and what other hands may be better for that. Link to post Share on other sites
Jbird 0 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Yeah, honestly, this isn't a terrible approach. I'm much more likely to raise small ones, but I do sometimes raise larger ones. I think this was probably a case of the donkbet not "seeming" large due to my mixture of stakes (I'm playing 2/4 some these days), but it's obviously large in relation to the stakes and pot.Can you expand?? Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 13, 2011 Author Share Posted January 13, 2011 Can you expand??Expand on which part?Raising donkbets is generally a very profitable play. Often, the villain is asking, "Did you hit the flop?" You reply, "Yes." Some villains will donkbet with sets or big draws, but there are gobs that will throw a bet out there with trash pairs, A-high, and air. Link to post Share on other sites
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