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If the river is the 4h then he better keep the HH and post that Stars is indeed rigged.
:club: Well the 5h then
Because hwy's hand is so under-repped or an inside joke that I'm responding too like it's serious?
A bit of both, it was more just results oriented bullshitting. You'll probably find that quite often that kind of sizing means a player who has no idea what to do with their hand, whether they're value betting or bluffing. But I don't think there's too much value in a raise, hard to get a call from much we beat even if we minraise, and just opens the door to being jammed on or something equally unpleasant.
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My question should I have shoved on river to push her all in, I thought I would have got more value for betting the amt I did. Early game she is 40/14feral_cow_icon.gifFeral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($5.00+$0.50) t15/t30 - 8 playersHJ pokergr0813: t1,420 CO ALB55: t1,840 Button Hero: t1,767 SB stef5153: t1,208 BB JrsyLdy: t1,195 UTG sunshine933: t3,215 UTG+1 TXScooper: t1,500 MP islandgirl1: t780 Preflop: (t45) Hero is Button with :ts:D (8 players)sunshine933 calls t30, TXScooper folds, islandgirl1 calls t30, pokergr0813 folds, ALB55 calls t30, Hero raises to t81, 4 folds, ALB55 calls t51Flop: (t267) :club::4h:D (2 players)ALB55 checks, Hero bets t146, ALB55 calls t146Turn: (t559) :qh (2 players)ALB55 checks, Hero bets t307, ALB55 calls t307River: (t1,173) :5c (2 players)ALB55 checks, Hero bets t645, ALB55 calls t645

ALB55 mucked Th QcHero showed Qs As, and won (2463) with two pair, Aces and QueensHero won t2463

another hand feral_cow_icon.gifConverted by a herd of feral cowsPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($5.00+$0.50) t25/t50 - 9 playersMP corgiTs: t1,795 MP2 lookbakatit: t1,905 HJ Hero: t4,115 CO DiamondDixi: t2,605 Button lizbeach: t1,125 SB TXScooper: t472 BB yhtac: t4,134 UTG AADooper: t1,950 UTG+1 Blossom60: t870 Preflop: (t75) Hero is HJ with :D:3h (9 players)AADooper folds, Blossom60 calls t50, corgi10s folds, lookbakatit calls t50, Hero raises to t155, 4 folds, Blossom60 calls t105, lookbakatit foldsFlop: (t435) :jh:club::ts (2 players)Blossom60 bets t715 and is all-in, Hero calls t715Turn: (t1,865) :4h (2 players)River: (t1,865) :5c (2 players)Hero showed :D:qh, and won (1865) with three of a kind, QueensBlossom60 showed :jh:3h, and lost with a pair of QueensHero won t1865

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People always talk about how no one goes in to the strat forums. Maybe if instead of starting a thread on strat in GenPo they SHOULD be posted in the thread where they actually belong. IDK, maybe I'm in the wrong.

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When you have limpers in the pot you can't do a standard 2.5x raise there Rose, you have to do 4x or in this case 5x. If that were the case, you could have bet more on every street which would have made a river shove much easier.I don't really like the river bet, I would just shove. You have about what, 1230 chips going to the river? It's a bit of an overbet but it's relatively close to a pot sized bet. You're not bet/folding in this spot. If the person has an ace, or 2 pair, they're probably not folding to a shove.You could probably bet a bit more on the turn too, though that's just getting nit-picky.edit: same for the second hand as well, raise to 200, 225, or even 250 PF. Rest is standard.

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People always talk about how no one goes in to the strat forums. Maybe if instead of starting a thread on strat in GenPo they SHOULD be posted in the thread where they actually belong. IDK, maybe I'm in the wrong.
Fluff and I thought, sometimes people don't go to the strat section as much so it might be more sense for a thread in general pop, to increase the discussions.
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When you have limpers in the pot you can't do a standard 2.5x raise there Rose, you have to do 4x or in this case 5x. If that were the case, you could have bet more on every street which would have made a river shove much easier.I don't really like the river bet, I would just shove. You have about what, 1230 chips going to the river? It's a bit of an overbet but it's relatively close to a pot sized bet. You're not bet/folding in this spot. If the person has an ace, or 2 pair, they're probably not folding to a shove.You could probably bet a bit more on the turn too, though that's just getting nit-picky.edit: same for the second hand as well, raise to 200, 225, or even 250 PF. Rest is standard.
thx, my bets are set and I think I will adjust them more when they are more limpersThe thing is there a difference in playing normal mtt's vs this ladies league. They are limp happy and ace rag callers. In either case your right to increase my bets
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Early in a $12 turbo something or other...Don't know opener. Button is 42/14 over 14 and my experience with players like this is that they very rarely fold to any kind of reasonably sized 3 betsferal_cow_icon.gifFeral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($11+$1) t25/t50 - 9 playersSB: t1,084 BB: t1,575 (Hero)UTG: t1,795 UTG+1: t1,245 MP: t615 MP2: t3,965 HJ: t1,705 CO: t2,705 Button: t2,900 Preflop: (t75) Hero is BB with :club::ts (9 players)3 folds, HJ raises to t150, CO folds, Button calls t150, Hero..
I like a shove here - calling isn't bad and would be okay but can make post flop play OOP difficult (that's my biggest problem with a call here) so with this pot size and a raise and call I just much prefer a shove here.
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My question should I have shoved on river to push her all in, I thought I would have got more value for betting the amt I did. Early game she is 40/14feral_cow_icon.gifFeral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($5.00+$0.50) t15/t30 - 8 playersHJ pokergr0813: t1,420 CO ALB55: t1,840 Button Hero: t1,767 SB stef5153: t1,208 BB JrsyLdy: t1,195 UTG sunshine933: t3,215 UTG+1 TXScooper: t1,500 MP islandgirl1: t780 Preflop: (t45) Hero is Button with :ts:D (8 players)sunshine933 calls t30, TXScooper folds, islandgirl1 calls t30, pokergr0813 folds, ALB55 calls t30, Hero raises to t81, 4 folds, ALB55 calls t51Flop: (t267) :club::4h:D (2 players)ALB55 checks, Hero bets t146, ALB55 calls t146Turn: (t559) :qh (2 players)ALB55 checks, Hero bets t307, ALB55 calls t307River: (t1,173) :5c (2 players)ALB55 checks, Hero bets t645, ALB55 calls t645

ALB55 mucked Th QcHero showed Qs As, and won (2463) with two pair, Aces and QueensHero won t2463

another hand feral_cow_icon.gifConverted by a herd of feral cowsPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($5.00+$0.50) t25/t50 - 9 playersMP corgiTs: t1,795 MP2 lookbakatit: t1,905 HJ Hero: t4,115 CO DiamondDixi: t2,605 Button lizbeach: t1,125 SB TXScooper: t472 BB yhtac: t4,134 UTG AADooper: t1,950 UTG+1 Blossom60: t870 Preflop: (t75) Hero is HJ with :D:3h (9 players)AADooper folds, Blossom60 calls t50, corgi10s folds, lookbakatit calls t50, Hero raises to t155, 4 folds, Blossom60 calls t105, lookbakatit foldsFlop: (t435) :jh:club::ts (2 players)Blossom60 bets t715 and is all-in, Hero calls t715Turn: (t1,865) :4h (2 players)River: (t1,865) :5c (2 players)Hero showed :D:qh, and won (1865) with three of a kind, QueensBlossom60 showed :jh:3h, and lost with a pair of QueensHero won t1865

raising to around $300 to $350 1st hand with all these limptards and second hand I'm raising to $250. These women are way worse than normal MTT players and if they've limped in they're likely calling almost anything reasonable so you need to raise more to at least make them pay well if they want to tag along.
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I'm sure this is pretty standard, but I'm always torn between raising/limping with these type of hands when other players have limped.Part of me thinks that either is fine pre-ante, and with antes it should always be a raise due to more dead money.feral_cow_icon.gifFeral Cow Poker Hand ConverterPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($2.00+$0.20) t20/t40 - 9 playersUTG: t3,275 UTG+1: t3,020 MP: t2,755 MP2: t8,945 HJ: t6,643 (Hero)CO: t1,610 Button: t765 SB: t4,060 BB: t3,170 Preflop: (t60) Hero is HJ with :ts:club: (9 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP calls t40, MP2 calls t40, Hero

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god I am stupid and don't have a fold button when it comes to ace rag playersshould have folded on flop, was stupid to call her with 88 after the flopferal_cow_icon.gifYour converted hand, now with more cowbell.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($5.00+$0.50) t75/t150 ante t20 - 7 playersSB sandra2742: t8,125 BB Giggy: t2,585 UTG JAG 514: t5,785 UTG+1 GrlRcr: t2,280 HJ Hero: t4,458 CO POLCA55: t14,556 Button Tazwoman75: t3,575 Preflop: (t365) Hero is HJ with :qh:D (7 players)2 folds, Hero raises to t500, POLCA55 calls t500, 3 foldsFlop: (t1,365) :ts:4h:jh (2 players)Hero checks, POLCA55 bets t750, Hero calls t750Turn: (t2,865) :club: (2 players)Hero checks, POLCA55 bets t750, Hero calls t750River: (t4,365) :club: (2 players)Hero checks, POLCA55 bets t2850, Hero foldsPOLCA55 collected t4365then I do this which was the right move and she hits the riverferal_cow_icon.gifYour converted hand, now with more cowbell.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($5.00+$0.50) t75/t150 ante t20 - 9 playersHJ sandra2742: t8,010 CO Win Frog: t1,865 Button Giggy: t2,320 SB JAG 514: t5,595 BB GrlRcr: t2,240 UTG Ionatha: t5,815 UTG+1 Hero: t2,418 MP POLCA55: t17,266 MP2 Tazwoman75: t3,535 Preflop: (t405) Hero is UTG+1 with :5c:D (9 players)Ionatha folds, Hero raises to t405, POLCA55 calls t405, 3 folds, 3 foldsFlop: (t1,215) :4h:ts:3h (2 players)Hero bets t1875, POLCA55 raises to t3750, Hero calls t118 and is all-inTurn: (t5,201) :D (2 players)River: (t5,201) :5c (2 players)Hero showed :3h:D, and lost with three of a kind, DeucesPOLCA55 showed :jh:qh, and won (5201) with a full house, Deuces full of KingsPOLCA55 won t5201so upset I spewed 5000k of chips in a few hands on calls I know better to make

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<---riffraff

People always talk about how no one goes in to the strat forums. Maybe if instead of starting a thread on strat in GenPo they SHOULD be posted in the thread where they actually belong. IDK, maybe I'm in the wrong.
It'd help keep the riffraff from making completely unqualified posts on MTT strat.
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<---riffraffIt'd help keep the riffraff from making completely unqualified posts on MTT strat.
<<<<<< dumbass 2 nights in a row I spewed a decent stack on dumb calls, which I know better. AJ was a shove but the 88 should have folded.no patience tonight against ones who call with ace rags.
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Outsider, you play the short stack super super hyper light-speed AP sng's, yes? Even if you're not playing those, I know you're way familiar with push/fold strat but I don't think the stacks and blinds are at the push/fold level in this hand.
I play sngs, all varieties, mostly micro-low....and mostly all turbo. I just think I lean more towards play that is unexploitable. I never think that my plays may always be the best for value, but for the most part the plays I do usually end up +ev (usually).I'd be surprised though if shoving didn't net more long term than flatting in a 3 way pot.
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blinds are 75/150. me and co are 4kish btn is 1.3k ish. i open 3x from hijack with KJs. co calls btn calls both blinds fold.flop comes 259 rainbow. i bet 2/3 the pot them both call.turn is the ace that puts two of my suit out. again i bet 2/3 the pot they both call.river is a 9 that isn't my suit. i open fold. my thinking is that since the btn is so short now i want the co to know he can bluff him out without having to worry about me. thoughts?

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sounds like softplaying to me. And if you raised to 450 pre and then bet 900 on flop and like 2.5k on the turn I think you're almost all in, nevermind the BTN
the jerk store called they're out of you.
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($5.00+$0.50) t75/t150 ante t20 - 7 playersso upset I spewed 5000k of chips in a few hands on calls I know better to make
wow that is a pretty epic spew
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blinds are 75/150. me and co are 4kish btn is 1.3k ish. i open 3x from hijack with KJs. co calls btn calls both blinds fold.flop comes 259 rainbow. i bet 2/3 the pot them both call.turn is the ace that puts two of my suit out. again i bet 2/3 the pot they both call.river is a 9 that isn't my suit. i open fold. my thinking is that since the btn is so short now i want the co to know he can bluff him out without having to worry about me. thoughts?
This is so legit! You got my vote.t
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I feel like this is a fairly similar spot as Highwaystars AQ hand? WUG thoughts. UTG is 42/5 over 19 and MP2 is 9/5 over 105. $2 cubeferal_cow_icon.gifDont have a cow, heres your converted handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($2.00+$0.20) t1250/t2500 ante t310 - 9 playersBB: t142,280 UTG: t174,076 UTG+1: t139,896 MP: t22,921 MP2: t131,163 HJ: t96,455 CO: t71,955 (Hero)Button: t25,952 SB: t135,844 Preflop: (t6,540) Hero is CO with 9c.gif9s.gif (9 players)UTG calls t2500, 2 folds, MP2 calls t2500, HJ folds, Hero ??

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I feel like this is a fairly similar spot as Highwaystars AQ hand? WUG thoughts. UTG is 42/5 over 19 and MP2 is 9/5 over 105. $2 cubeferal_cow_icon.gifDont have a cow, heres your converted handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($2.00+$0.20) t1250/t2500 ante t310 - 9 playersBB: t142,280 UTG: t174,076 UTG+1: t139,896 MP: t22,921 MP2: t131,163 HJ: t96,455 CO: t71,955 (Hero)Button: t25,952 SB: t135,844 Preflop: (t6,540) Hero is CO with 9c.gif9s.gif (9 players)UTG calls t2500, 2 folds, MP2 calls t2500, HJ folds, Hero ??
This looks stickier than HWYs hand. It is a $2 tourney, so there could be any kinds of crap. But, you are deeper in, so now it should be down to guys that have a clue, and the luckboxes that still play any Ax or paints. (assuming this on UTG, but wish we had more history. Could just be playing really aggressive since he has a big stak and pushing around??) I am assuming you cannot just flat here, b/c you have somre bigger stacks behind you, and you would be inviting a squeeze/shove with 3 limpers. Not to worried about UTG, because we are probably in a flip situation with him, but MP2 scares the hell out of me with his 1 hand every 100 hands, unless that includes multiple tourneys, but that still is a tight stat tho. IDK. Shoving I guess is the right play, since about ~15% of your stack is in the pot, but this is not a turbo. Ehhh, IDK, raise to pot, then shove flop (unless 9 hits then slow-play it??). Flatting and hope for a set or fold to over cards could be an option, but again, I would be worried about a squeeze. Another good hand for discussion tho. :club:
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I feel like this is a fairly similar spot as Highwaystars AQ hand? WUG thoughts. UTG is 42/5 over 19 and MP2 is 9/5 over 105. $2 cubeferal_cow_icon.gifDont have a cow, heres your converted handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($2.00+$0.20) t1250/t2500 ante t310 - 9 playersBB: t142,280 UTG: t174,076 UTG+1: t139,896 MP: t22,921 MP2: t131,163 HJ: t96,455 CO: t71,955 (Hero)Button: t25,952 SB: t135,844 Preflop: (t6,540) Hero is CO with 9c.gif9s.gif (9 players)UTG calls t2500, 2 folds, MP2 calls t2500, HJ folds, Hero ??
This looks stickier than HWYs hand. It is a $2 tourney, so there could be any kinds of crap. But, you are deeper in, so now it should be down to guys that have a clue, and the luckboxes that still play any Ax or paints. (assuming this on UTG, but wish we had more history. Could just be playing really aggressive since he has a big stak and pushing around??) I am assuming you cannot just flat here, b/c you have somre bigger stacks behind you, and you would be inviting a squeeze/shove with 3 limpers. Not to worried about UTG, because we are probably in a flip situation with him, but MP2 scares the hell out of me with his 1 hand every 100 hands, unless that includes multiple tourneys, but that still is a tight stat tho. IDK. Shoving I guess is the right play, since about ~15% of your stack is in the pot, but this is not a turbo. Ehhh, IDK, raise to pot, then shove flop (unless 9 hits then slow-play it??). Flatting and hope for a set or fold to over cards could be an option, but again, I would be worried about a squeeze. Another good hand for discussion tho. :club:
Agreed. This does look a lot stickier. By the time the action gets to you there is 11K in the pot and we have 72K. Wouldn't a ship here (which looked to be more of an option in the HWY hand) be too much of an overbet? Committing 72k to win 11k.I think I want to make it like 18K here??? But with 4 guys left to act, I have no clue what to do against another raise, except fold like a pu$$y.With 27 BB and two limpers, are we not still in good position to set mine?
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Agreed. This does look a lot stickier. By the time the action gets to you there is 11K in the pot and we have 72K. Wouldn't a ship here (which looked to be more of an option in the HWY hand) be too much of an overbet? Committing 72k to win 11k.I think I want to make it like 18K here??? But with 4 guys left to act, I have no clue what to do against another raise, except fold like a pu$$y.With 27 BB and two limpers, are we not still in good position to set mine?
Problem with setmining here is I feel I'm ahead here like 100% of the time so I don't really need to ever improve. I just know that if i 3bet, I'm getting a call here like 90% of the time and there are a million flops that handcuff me.
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