SlapStick 0 Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 I definitely read about Anonymous pushing people to vote for Assange and that 4chan got Moot voted in as Person of the year 2 years ago. Must be a different vote I'm thinking of. Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 Colbert: "TIME's person of the year is Mark Zuckerberg. Sorry Julian Assange, I guess you didn't violate enough peoples privacy." Link to post Share on other sites
aucu 3 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Yup. I can't think of someone more influential this year than Julian Assange.Can't see how Assange was really influential? Sure he exposed a lot of documents and made a sensation but no real broad or lasting impact detectable. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Can't see how Assange was really influential? Sure he exposed a lot of documents and made a sensation but no real broad or lasting impact detectable.Pretty sure it was the impact he made on the broad that got him thrown in the slammer Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Can't see how Assange was really influential? Sure he exposed a lot of documents and made a sensation but no real broad or lasting impact detectable.I think the idea is that he opened the door to a new kind of democracy, the democracy of an instantly-connected always-on world. The old ways of hiding and lying won't work anymore, and Wikileaks is showing us why. There are already dozens of imitators hoping to be the next martyr for the cause.I just wish he had done it over something that we could get fired up about, not "Hillary thinks the diplomat from Zangladeshia is a poopyhead". Link to post Share on other sites
aucu 3 Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 I think the idea is that he opened the door to a new kind of democracy, the democracy of an instantly-connected always-on world. The old ways of hiding and lying won't work anymore, and Wikileaks is showing us why. There are already dozens of imitators hoping to be the next martyr for the cause.I just wish he had done it over something that we could get fired up about, not "Hillary thinks the diplomat from Zangladeshia is a poopyhead".Yes but in diplomacy and negotiation it's a lot like poker, you can't show your hole cards. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Yes but in diplomacy and negotiation it's a lot like poker, you can't show your hole cards.In the world, we should be treating this as an opportunity to find win-win situations. If we are working from the premise that we need to defeat someone to improve our own situation, then our policy is fundamentally flawed, and if Wikileaks helps change that, it will have performed a fundamental service for the world. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 In the world, we should be treating this as an opportunity to find win-win situations. If we are working from the premise that we need to defeat someone to improve our own situation, then our policy is fundamentally flawed, and if Wikileaks helps change that, it will have performed a fundamental service for the world.I don't want our state department looking at how they should compromise X to help some other country. Their job is to protect the interest of the USA.To act otherwise is not realistic.And there are a lot of countries I am totally fine with us having a "let's have job one be their demise" attitude.China is not going to leave Taiwan alone because the US wants to get along, they are going to leave Taiwan alone because the US will blow their stuff up if they invade. Link to post Share on other sites
hblask 1 Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 I don't want our state department looking at how they should compromise X to help some other country. Their job is to protect the interest of the USA.To act otherwise is not realistic.And there are a lot of countries I am totally fine with us having a "let's have job one be their demise" attitude.China is not going to leave Taiwan alone because the US wants to get along, they are going to leave Taiwan alone because the US will blow their stuff up if they invade.But our strategy with them is not secret. If someone refuses to be friendly, our strategy is clear: we don't cooperate unless you do.If they are friendly, we should have no need for secrets.The only time we need secrets are for intelligence work and when we are actively in hostilities. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 But our strategy with them is not secret. If someone refuses to be friendly, our strategy is clear: we don't cooperate unless you do.If they are friendly, we should have no need for secrets.The only time we need secrets are for intelligence work and when we are actively in hostilities.Being secret about our preference to Israel over every arab country is not really a secret though.We all know that in diplomacy, you have to say things untrue to allow others to save face with their own populace.I would like to think that England and Australia get the straight scoop from us, but I think it isn't necessary for them to get all our truths. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 [ ] Time is still relevant Link to post Share on other sites
uncooper 1 Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 They just don't pick TPotYs like they used to back when I was selected. Link to post Share on other sites
All_In 0 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 shoulda been Julian Assange....not even close. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 The Tea Party was actually the runner-up. Followed by Wikileaks guy Julian Assange, Afghan president Hamid Karzai, and then the Chilean miners.COME ON! Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 COME ON!They got trapped in a mine and then got rescued. They influenced people not to get trapped in mines. They got my vote. Link to post Share on other sites
Skeleton Jelly 2 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 They got trapped in a mine and then got rescued. They influenced people not to get trapped in mines. They got my vote.Pretty heroic really. Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Pretty heroic really.I mean, I don't mean to be needlessly cynical, but no, it wasn't really "heroic." Sure, they went through a horrible experience and we're all extremely happy that they made it through all right. But heroism implies that someone went out of their way, possibly at great expense to himself or by purposely putting himself in danger, to help others. These people simply survived. The most heroic thing they did was not to die.Again, I don't mean to lessen how happy people should feel about their having survived. Link to post Share on other sites
Skeleton Jelly 2 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Oh. Link to post Share on other sites
LongLiveYorke 38 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Also: I didn't sleep last night, so my brain isn't functioning on any "level" higher than the first, most basic level. So, the following things will be lost on me today:ironysarcasminnuendoreverse psychologyIf this fact makes me look stupid, then so be it. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Also: I didn't sleep last night, so my brain isn't functioning on any "level" higher than the first, most basic level. So, the following things will be lost on me today:ironysarcasminnuendoreverse psychologyIf this fact makes me look stupid, then so be it.This is ironic because I also..followed the sausage if you will. Link to post Share on other sites
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