Stakes!

[MaxStPolish 4]

you are the third person to say fold pre. i know this isnt strat forum but what do you see this play with , what is your lowest hand not saying my play was right but thats where i just dont know i see ppl play that (type of hand) and the price didnt seem nutswhat am i supposed to see this play with , help me

I mean you are 45BBs deep so limping with a hand that has some value in a family flop isn't bad. The reason I fold here like all the time is that you are UTG. You are just in a tough spot now when you get raised PF (granted the min raise you faced became an auto-call, but like when you get the full 3-4x raise since there's more drift in the pot now with your limp). Realize that "fold pre" is going to be the 100% response because 45, suited or not, sucks PF. Obviously, it's beneficial to vary your play for your long term image so a limp here can make some sense. If that makes sense. I think on each street of this hand postflop you are losing value. You never play your hand for the strength it's worth. On the turn, the PF raiser fires out a feeler bet. He would have surely C-bet a flush draw, so you really don't need to worry about being outflushed right now. You do need to protect/value people with pair(s), sets, or a higher flush card in hole. Then, when you fade all that on the river, you again play your hand like it's second best. You've been so cautious on this hand after a loose PF limp, your hand strength is TOTALLY hidden from these opponents. VALUE baby, VALUE!!!Hope this makes some sense :)Edit: I totally forgot this was a 6 max. That does change things a bit. Same general discussion holds true I think. But Im okay with the change of pace play...although I do think I may do a standard open 2.3-2.5x.

[dreamcaster 0]

I like opening 2.5x pre here (steal) based on stack sizes and that it is 6 max. Line looks stronger if called. Would call if min-raised as you were.I would like to see some chips in on the flop with your hand. If raised by the pre-flop raiser, I would be looking to get it in with your open-end straight and flush draws

[TrueAce13 18]

yes , in the money can someone go thru this hand for me - i was lost on what to do PokerStars Game #53067744315: Tournament #340010557, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2010/11/21 17:11:54 CT [2010/11/21 18:11:54 ET]Table '340010557 262' 6-max Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: TrafficKing (59437 in chips) Seat 2: lollygag'r (56841 in chips) Seat 3: MitchE22 (35532 in chips) Seat 4: TCDD-X (72522 in chips) Seat 5: dunno448 (35971 in chips) Seat 6: schrankAdank (87975 in chips) TrafficKing: posts the ante 125lollygag'r: posts the ante 125MitchE22: posts the ante 125TCDD-X: posts the ante 125dunno448: posts the ante 125schrankAdank: posts the ante 125schrankAdank: posts small blind 600TrafficKing: posts big blind 1200*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to lollygag'r [4c 5c]lollygag'r: calls 1200MitchE22: folds TCDD-X: raises 1200 to 2400dunno448: calls 2400schrankAdank: folds TrafficKing: calls 1200lollygag'r: calls 1200*** FLOP *** [6s Kc 7c]TrafficKing: checks lollygag'r: checks TCDD-X: checks dunno448: checks *** TURN *** [6s Kc 7c] [Qc]TrafficKing: checks lollygag'r: checks TCDD-X: bets 1200dunno448: calls 1200TrafficKing: calls 1200lollygag'r: calls 1200*** RIVER *** [6s Kc 7c Qc] [Jd]TrafficKing: checks lollygag'r: checks TCDD-X: bets 1200dunno448: calls 1200TrafficKing: folds lollygag'r: calls 1200*** SHOW DOWN ***TCDD-X: shows [Ad Qh] (a pair of Queens)dunno448: mucks hand lollygag'r: shows [4c 5c] (a flush, King high)lollygag'r collected 19350 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 19350 | Rake 0 Board [6s Kc 7c Qc Jd]Seat 1: TrafficKing (big blind) folded on the RiverSeat 2: lollygag'r showed [4c 5c] and won (19350) with a flush, King highSeat 3: MitchE22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: TCDD-X showed [Ad Qh] and lost with a pair of QueensSeat 5: dunno448 (button) mucked [7h Ac]Seat 6: schrankAdank (small blind) folded before Flop

open instead of limping pre...raise turn 100% of the time here...i might even try to get a lot of chips in on this flop as well

[K_dense 3]

in tourney #333187240 / 2.20 5k / starts in bout 15 minon a side note - i have played nnb .25/.50 hu / i could tell in about 4 hands that i was out classed50/50 wml

[KingJames 11]

gl win!!!!

[K_dense 3]

PokerStars Game #53266556641: Tournament #333187240, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2010/11/25 15:22:42 CT [2010/11/25 16:22:42 ET]Table '333187240 194' 9-max Seat #7 is the buttonSeat 1: PIPIPISTOLA (2230 in chips) Seat 2: lollygag'r (2990 in chips) Seat 3: Megamastevi (2790 in chips) Seat 4: Jonesy1066 (3370 in chips) Seat 5: ABRC (3000 in chips) Seat 6: JC_fullases (3000 in chips) Seat 7: Vyachesl-e (2970 in chips) Seat 8: jimmyufc1 (5990 in chips) Seat 9: chasewest (2940 in chips) jimmyufc1: posts small blind 10chasewest: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to lollygag'r [8c Tc]PIPIPISTOLA: calls 20lollygag'r: raises 79 to 99Megamastevi: folds Jonesy1066: folds ABRC: folds JC_fullases: folds Vyachesl-e: calls 99jimmyufc1: folds chasewest: calls 79PIPIPISTOLA: calls 79*** FLOP *** [Td Th 5c]chasewest: checks PIPIPISTOLA: checks lollygag'r: bets 319Vyachesl-e: calls 319chasewest: folds PIPIPISTOLA: folds *** TURN *** [Td Th 5c] [Ah]lollygag'r: bets 500Vyachesl-e: calls 500*** RIVER *** [Td Th 5c Ah] [9s]lollygag'r: checks Vyachesl-e: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***lollygag'r: shows [8c Tc] (three of a kind, Tens)Vyachesl-e: mucks hand lollygag'r collected 2044 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2044 | Rake 0 Board [Td Th 5c Ah 9s]Seat 1: PIPIPISTOLA folded on the FlopSeat 2: lollygag'r showed [8c Tc] and won (2044) with three of a kind, TensSeat 3: Megamastevi folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: Jonesy1066 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: ABRC folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: JC_fullases folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: Vyachesl-e (button) mucked [Ac Kh]Seat 8: jimmyufc1 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 9: chasewest (big blind) folded on the FlopPokerStars Game #53267432432: Tournament #333187240, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2010/11/25 15:38:07 CT [2010/11/25 16:38:07 ET]Table '333187240 285' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: lollygag'r (3921 in chips) Seat 2: cristiano021 (2665 in chips) Seat 3: René 22 (4635 in chips) Seat 4: jammy1982 (3000 in chips) Seat 5: Singlscorpio (2955 in chips) Seat 7: noochie1 (3000 in chips) cristiano021: posts small blind 20René 22: posts big blind 40*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to lollygag'r [6c 6s]René 22 is connected Singlscorpio is connected noochie1 is connected kalivoskilo is connected jammy1982 is connected emachines70 is connected jammy1982: folds Singlscorpio: folds noochie1: folds BOCO111 is connected lollygag'r: raises 80 to 120cristiano021: raises 2545 to 2665 and is all-inRené 22: folds lollygag'r: folds Uncalled bet (2545) returned to cristiano021lollygag'r said, "what you got"cristiano021 collected 280 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 280 | Rake 0 Seat 1: lollygag'r (button) folded before FlopSeat 2: cristiano021 (small blind) collected (280)Seat 3: René 22 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 4: jammy1982 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: Singlscorpio folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: noochie1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[K_dense 3]

PokerStars Game #53268923793: Tournament #333187240, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (30/60) - 2010/11/25 16:07:22 CT [2010/11/25 17:07:22 ET]Table '333187240 285' 9-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: lollygag'r (3691 in chips) Seat 2: GM16101971 (5560 in chips) Seat 3: René 22 (3885 in chips) Seat 4: jammy1982 (5530 in chips) Seat 5: Singlscorpio (3790 in chips) Seat 6: kalivoskilo (2895 in chips) Seat 7: noochie1 (3235 in chips) Seat 8: emachines70 (3660 in chips) Seat 9: Abacus777 (2940 in chips) jammy1982: posts small blind 30Singlscorpio: posts big blind 60*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to lollygag'r [Ks Kc]kalivoskilo: folds noochie1: folds emachines70: folds Abacus777: calls 60lollygag'r: raises 539 to 599GM16101971: calls 599René 22: folds jammy1982: folds Singlscorpio: folds Abacus777: folds *** FLOP *** [8d Kh 7s]lollygag'r: bets 500GM16101971: raises 500 to 1000lollygag'r: raises 599 to 1599GM16101971: calls 599*** TURN *** [8d Kh 7s] [Ac]lollygag'r: bets 1493 and is all-inGM16101971: calls 1493*** RIVER *** [8d Kh 7s Ac] [7h]*** SHOW DOWN ***lollygag'r: shows [Ks Kc] (a full house, Kings full of Sevens)GM16101971: shows [9d 9s] (two pair, Nines and Sevens)lollygag'r collected 7532 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 7532 | Rake 0 Board [8d Kh 7s Ac 7h]Seat 1: lollygag'r showed [Ks Kc] and won (7532) with a full house, Kings full of SevensSeat 2: GM16101971 showed [9d 9s] and lost with two pair, Nines and SevensSeat 3: René 22 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: jammy1982 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: Singlscorpio (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: kalivoskilo folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: noochie1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: emachines70 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Abacus777 folded before Flop

[MaxStPolish 4]

GG!

[K_dense 3]

out in one millionth place. got a bit pissy about my playing ability.... hate when i am on somebody elses dime and play like poopcant remember my hand going out but i do remember how we were just back from 2nd brk and this guy at my table had 36,xxx everyone else at time had avg 6k, i played back at this guy when i knew better, thinking did he get 36 by luckboxing the hell out of the first hour and then settled down or is this guy good at this level of play and excels quite oftenbefore i could come up with a guess i was out to this guy... thanks for the shot msp , not my A game , if i even have an A game

[MaxStPolish 4]

out in one millionth place. got a bit pissy about my playing ability.... hate when i am on somebody elses dime and play like poopcant remember my hand going out but i do remember how we were just back from 2nd brk and this guy at my table had 36,xxx everyone else at time had avg 6k, i played back at this guy when i knew better, thinking did he get 36 by luckboxing the hell out of the first hour and then settled down or is this guy good at this level of play and excels quite oftenbefore i could come up with a guess i was out to this guy... thanks for the shot msp , not my A game , if i even have an A game

My stakes are like "arsenic". Lol. You succeeded to some degree on the first one, be proud!! That was like the 3rd cash of any kind in like 30-40 stake offerings, so you did well!