good things about the rio and wsop

[HarryDemetriou 0]

Just to show that the Rio are doing some things right and not to keep going on about the negatives..........They have put together a beautiful 200 table facility.They have introduced some great new tournaments to the schedule (eg 6 handed no limit).They have employed (rumour has it) some MIT graduates to look at the optimal way of structuring events to give plenty of play and yet get the numbers down to the required levels for the larger field events.They are actively trying to do the right thing (despite numerous hiccups that I have highlighted elsewhere).

[Mr. Orange 0]

Harrrryyyy!!! How big of a dick was Arieh to you last year? Huh? I mean really...

[realdeal515 0]

Would just like to say thanks harry for keeping us informed on the happenings in the poker world

[Nikki_N 17]

OK, I guess I'm trying not to hate the idea of the WSOP being at the Rio. Thanks for giving me something to look forward to.BTW, I put you on my fantasy team, so play lots of events, I'll be rooting for you.

[nbliss16 0]

your picture is intimidating.and I finally got an avatar.GO CUBS! Although we suck this year. O well.

[Bluffs2005 0]

Been to the Rio, really great place, would love to see what they have done to prepare. So it's not on Binion's for all events, there comes a time in everything to move on..........!

[Mr. Orange 0]

BTW, I put you on my fantasy team, so play lots of events, I'll be rooting for you.

Woah. Enlighten me. This fantasy team thing takes into consideration more than just the Main Event? How is the point system tallied?! Thanks.

[Nikki_N 17]

BTW, I put you on my fantasy team, so play lots of events, I'll be rooting for you.

Woah. Enlighten me. This fantasy team thing takes into consideration more than just the Main Event? How is the point system tallied?! Thanks.

Oh crap. I don't remember where I read the rules. They are in a thread somewhere.

[bmcarter 0]

your picture is intimidating.and I finally got an avatar.GO CUBS! Although we suck this year. O well.

Ya you do

[Nikki_N 17]

BTW, I put you on my fantasy team, so play lots of events, I'll be rooting for you.

Woah. Enlighten me. This fantasy team thing takes into consideration more than just the Main Event? How is the point system tallied?! Thanks.

rules

[Huskers20 0]

Harry,First of all thank you for your insight and informative posts, they are greatly appreciated.Since you mentioned they have MIT people helping w/ the structure design, and you seem to be in the know, could you answer....(or anyone) this question.From what I have read some of the prelims are expecting to hit their max of 2000 entries, even if they only get to 1000, how are they going to cut it to a final table in one day....or do they have different plans....Or are the Party Poker all in people going to be the favorites...lol....but, truly, how are they going to cut down 1000+ people in one day and have it so some skill plays out.Thanks all for your responses and informed answers as I am considering in playing in one of the prelims, but not as an all in fest....Huskers20

[HarryDemetriou 0]

Harry' date='From what I have read some of the prelims are expecting to hit their max of 2000 entries, even if they only get to 1000, how are they going to cut it to a final table in one day....or do they have different plans....

I honestly haven't got a clue what they plan on doing to get the numbers down in some of the earlier events but.....In 2002 there were around 450 of us in the $2000 nl event (won by Layne Flack) and instead of playing down to the final table we stopped at 2-30am or so and 45 or so of us came back the next day.I guess (and that is exactly what I think may happen) that the events will become 2 or even 3 day events with around 100-300 returning the next day and the remainder the day after that if necessary.Obviously this may interfere with subsequent days events but as the no limit ones are the ones with bigger fields it is unlikely that the following days events will attract 2000 fields.Then again maybe they will shorten each level by 10 mins or take out one of the earlier lower levels to make things faster at the beginning and relatively slower at the higher levels but these are purely guesses on my part.It is not an easy problem to solve but I'll give the Rio credit for looking into these potential problems and expect them to get it right on the night.

[Huskers20 0]

Harry,Thank you for the answer....seems reasonable. Just wish they would let people know what they are thinking before we put down 1500-2500....Oh well.Again thanks for the quick response.Huskers20Good luck

[TraptSteve 0]

your picture is intimidating.and I finally got an avatar.GO CUBS! Although we suck this year. O well.

Ya you do

White Sox own. Best team in the MLB, and that includes CHicago, Cubs fans!

[Huskers20 0]

Harry,Looks like your two or three days might be right if they stay w/ what they originally put out....I am looking to play in the 2500 NL as that is when I will be out in LV and here is what it says from their site.EVENT 24TEXAS HOLD’EM (NO LIMIT)$2,500 BUY-INFriday, June 24, 2005, 12PMSCHEDULE OF PLAY Print LEVEL ANTE BLINDS 1ST - $25-$25 2ND - $25-$50 3RD - $50-$100 4TH - $100-$200 5TH $25 $100-$200 6TH $50 $150-$300 7TH $50 $200-$400 8TH $75 $300-$600 Remove $25 Chips 9TH $100 $400-$800 10TH $200 $600-$1,200 11TH $200 $800-$1,600 12TH $300 $1,000-$2,000 13TH $400 $1,200-$2,400 Remove $100 Chips 14TH $500 $1,500-$3,000 15TH $500 $2,000-$4,000 16TH $500 $2,500-$5,000 Remove $500 Chips 17TH $1,000 $3,000-$6,000 18TH $1,000 $4,000-$8,000 19TH $2,000 $5,000-$10,000 20TH $2,000 $6,000-$12,000 21ST $3,000 $8,000-$16,000 22ND $3,000 $10,000-$20,000 Players begin with $2,500 in tournament chips. All levels up to the final table will last 60 minutes. Final table levels will be 90 minutes. Breaks will be every two rounds. A 60-minute dinner break will follow level 6. Play will last the first day until we are down to the final table or upon completion of the 12th level (whichever comes first). Play will resume at 2PM on June 25, 2005. 5% of the total entry pool will be withheld for the house. 3% of the total entry pool will be withheld for tournament staff.This is a new event for the 2005 World Series of Poker. Wonder if they will stay w/ what they said and if they do will they let people know they might be 2 or 3 day events as Harry suggested.Huskers20

[Socrates 0]

While I'm not trying to be a dick, it has been more than apparent that the smaller tournaments will play down to the final table or until 12 hours of play have passed. The events will continue the next day, just as they always have in the past. Unless they have decided to provide 3x the chips in comparioson to the buy-in amount, most of the smaller events will be a crap shoot after the 4th round if you haven't accumulated ships. Sorry, but for $1500 - 2000 in Vegas what do you expect. While this may seem like a large buy-in for the home player, its a drop in the bucket for what cash games usually see in an hour. $1500 = 1500 chips, the way it should be.

[drewjax 0]

[From what I have read some of the prelims are expecting to hit their max of 2000 entries, even if they only get to 1000, how are they going to cut it to a final table in one day....or do they have different plans....I have a friend who is going to play in the opening event, on June 3rd, 1500 NLHE. I think the plan is to play down to 1 table OR until level 12. My money is on level 12. Probably about 2 or 3 am. Then come back and finish the next day.Ok I guess it has already been answered.

[Huskers20 0]

SocratesPoker Forum Veteran-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joined: 04 Jan 2005Posts: 433 Thu, May 26th, 2005 8:23 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While I'm not trying to be a dick, it has been more than apparent that the smaller tournaments will play down to the final table or until 12 hours of play have passed. The events will continue the next day, just as they always have in the past. Unless they have decided to provide 3x the chips in comparioson to the buy-in amount, most of the smaller events will be a crap shoot after the 4th round if you haven't accumulated ships. Sorry, but for $1500 - 2000 in Vegas what do you expect. While this may seem like a large buy-in for the home player, its a drop in the bucket for what cash games usually see in an hour. $1500 = 1500 chips, the way it should be.This is the perfect example of why newbies don't want to come around...you are trying to be a dick.....Read what has been written.Harrah's is saying it will be an hour a level as posted above, that is why I was wondering w/ over 1000 people what were they going to change......or like Harry D. said will they be 2 or 3 day events.....Also, why would Harrah's want it to be a crap shoot the pros wouldn't play.....and it seems they are planning on playing.Unless they deviate from what they said they will not be able to play even 800 down to a final table in one day at the levels they have.....I apologize in advance as I kind of flame to defend being flamed.Huskers20

[Comatose_Soul 0]

Just wanted to drop a thank you in this thread for all the great info Harry drops on us from time to time. Thank you!You might have answered this already, but are you registered for Event #2 (I assume you are.) Just curious - I'll be there on Thursday (the 2nd,) no idea if I'll be playing or not though.

[HarryDemetriou 0]

You might have answered this already, but are you registered for Event #2 (I assume you are.) Just curious - I'll be there on Thursday (the 2nd,) no idea if I'll be playing or not though.

Currenty I have entered events # 2, 6, 9, 16 and 42 (all NL events) but will no doubt also play all the other no limit events too except maybe the rebuy 1000 ones.I would dearly love to play a few limit and pot limit holdem events not to mention at least one stud and one omaha hi/lo event too but fear that there are far to many events for me to play in so am probably restricted to just playing the no limit ones as I rather like the massive fields they generate.I also have to return to London midway through June for a very good friends wedding (there is life outside poker).As my goal is to try and make a final table and if lucky enough to win a bracelet (extremely unlikely but I too have my dreams) I feel it is important to pace myself and try and be at my best for each and every event.Personally I think my best shot would be in the shootout or 6 handed events but that doesn't mean I am not going to try and win all of the ones in which I play. Then again maybe I can have a shot at the seniors event in four years time when turning 50 ;-)To date in my three previous WSOP series I have made one final table and cashed in a total of 7 events (1 pot limit, 2 limit and 4 no limit) from a total of around 25 entered events.This year it will probably be around 11 or 12 no limit events and maybe 1, 2 or 3 other events and it is extremely unlikely I will play more than this which is more than enough for me.Why anyone would want to even try and play all the events is beyond me.

[Huskers20 0]

Harry...Again, thank you for posting here and being so quick and responsive...Please continue to grace us w/ your presence...w/ your thoughts and insights GL this year in all of your events.Huskers20

[Tman 0]

Should be interesting

[Socrates 0]

SocratesPoker Forum Veteran-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joined: 04 Jan 2005Posts: 433 Thu, May 26th, 2005 8:23 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While I'm not trying to be a dick, it has been more than apparent that the smaller tournaments will play down to the final table or until 12 hours of play have passed. The events will continue the next day, just as they always have in the past. Unless they have decided to provide 3x the chips in comparioson to the buy-in amount, most of the smaller events will be a crap shoot after the 4th round if you haven't accumulated ships. Sorry, but for $1500 - 2000 in Vegas what do you expect. While this may seem like a large buy-in for the home player, its a drop in the bucket for what cash games usually see in an hour. $1500 = 1500 chips, the way it should be.This is the perfect example of why newbies don't want to come around...you are trying to be a dick.....Read what has been written.Harrah's is saying it will be an hour a level as posted above, that is why I was wondering w/ over 1000 people what were they going to change......or like Harry D. said will they be 2 or 3 day events.....Also, why would Harrah's want it to be a crap shoot the pros wouldn't play.....and it seems they are planning on playing.Unless they deviate from what they said they will not be able to play even 800 down to a final table in one day at the levels they have.....I apologize in advance as I kind of flame to defend being flamed.Huskers20

You have a point as I re-read what I wrote. I guess what I was trying to say is that if you look at the blind schedule and the rules that Harrah's posted in regards to the tournaments. It was apparent that these will be one day events. Even with 2500 chips, by level 6-7, anyone who has played too tight is already short stacked and those who play tight and may have accumulated some chips will still be in danger of becoming short stacked after a few hands. As for it being a crapshoot, well, its only a $1500 or $2500 event. That's not a lot of money in Vegas, especially in regards to gaming over a 48 hour period. There will also be a ton of TPTK pros out there so that will help thin the field rather quickly.My apologies to you if you thought I was flaming you directly, it was more of a response to a lot of people not believing what has been posted by Harrah's.

[Azzy666 0]

Events #43 and #44 are $1000 NLHE tournaments. As I understand it, there is no plan to continue the next day. I've inquired about this because I plan on playing in one of them, and apparently they're just going to keep playing until it's over. They expect it to run from noon until 5am.It is not completely unreasonable to assume that the final table will be established after round 13 (1am). I believe it is also reasonable to assume that the tournament can be concluded shortly after 5:30am when the blinds are $4000/$8,000 (with a $1000 ante). With only $200,000 chips in play, the tournament won't last much beyond this level.Let's assume there are 3 people left, the short stack will have at most $50,000 at this point. They'll be spending $15,000 a round in antes and blinds. The tournament will be over by 6am latest I'd say, probably before...As for skilled play, the first 2 levels allow you to play with deep stacks, and as long as you double up within the first 2-3 hours, you'll be fine up until level 6 (5 hours in). Not as much room for skill to take over as in the main event, but still plenty of time...

[Scanner313 0]

So it's not on Binion's for all events, there comes a time in everything to move on..........!

I know the final table (and I think the previous round) of the main event are to be played at Binion's. At least they are keeping that tradition alive.